DUST Search - Ideas on balancing the SCR without NERFING it to the Ground

stlcarlos989 wrote:

ACE OF JOKERS wrote:

stlcarlos989 wrote:

ACE OF JOKERS wrote:

stlcarlos989 wrote:

Drop the imperial scrambler rifle's RoF to 400 RPM which is the same as the TAC AR and I also agree with the removal of aim assist. This will balance the SCR and it will help even the balance between shields and armor which is currently vastly in the favor of armor.

The Problem is the SCR is NOT a TAC AR. They are supposed to be different.
The RoF should not get tweaked,more like he penalty for Follow up shots.

If i shoot a charged shot i could fire 5 more i VERY rapid succession OR Shoot 10 with a -+ a sec delay.....
Remember The SCR has higher RoF than the TAC but also has an OVERHEAT mechanic and Horrible Fitting requirements....

It also has zero recoil and is capable of 1300 DPS.

At a COST.It not like it has 1300DPs POTENTIAL damage for free like other light weapons.

LMAO the cost doesn't offset the massive DPS benefit, its also 44k when the TAC AR is 77k. I obviously can't change your mind or any other SCR user, so continue to defend the SCR because you can't deny the inevitable nerf.


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ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 210	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:46:00 - [1] - Quote Ideas on balancing the SCR without NERFING it to the Ground like most QQers want to: People QQ a lot about the SCR because their butt hurt selves cannot win with their crappy AR or scouts that think the SCR kills too fast but they are ignoring the fact any weapon evaporates a scout suit in a second, not being precisely the SCR fault , but Under-powered scout suits that cannot even take a shot from a Light weapon and cant even dodge scanners effectively.. News for you, there are LOT, and i mean a FREAKN lot of SCR users that are utter crap at using it. They just get lucky now and then while mashing R1.A vague and less effective imitation of AR Spray and Pray (lack of)Technique. Me Myself being a SCR user , i NEVER get killed by another SCR.I always win vs SCR tourists and win a big deal of 1 v 1 SCR battles UNLESS im severely hurt, etc... What does this mean? Im better at it,because i use the charge shot, aim to the head ,and use follow-up shots with high precision. NOw lots of people get lucky shots because of AA , great CQ Hipfire accuracy for a mid-Long weapon and high alpha damage. Most QQ i've seen around think that Alpha damage nerf will balance the SCR.But no, it will nerf it to the ground. Making the weapon useless. No one would use it.Me myself if the Imperial SCR does NOT Hit at LEAST 75 Base damage per shot i wouldt use it at all. The SCR already has lots of disadvantages that other weapons dont have: GÖªHigher CPU usage for a Light weapon GÖªHighest PG usage of any light weapon GÖªNot very appreciated OVERHEAT mechanic, making it a very good weapon for 1 v 1 engagements but a crappy one for engaging vs multiple opponents GÖªMore SP sink than some commonly used assault weapons, like the AR People that use the SCR use it because they are willing to pay the price for the SCR.SPECIALLY people not using Amarr assault suits they are really fighting against the tides. Nerf the Alpha damage or charged shot , you make the weapon utterly useless.... now the problem and the REASON the SCR became popular was : wait for it... YES! thats it, when AA came into play. Now every scrub that couldn't hit sht with the SCR on release are magically transformed into Amarrian MArksmen! sometimes without even pressing L1 once! SOLUTION: GÖª TONE DOWN AA* at closer ranges or REMOVE IT. The SCR and the Laser rifle only need slight AA at longer ranges. GÖª INCREASE THE SIZE of the HIP FIRE CROSS. The SCR is NOT A CQ Weapon, same as when i use the Laser Rifle , i should consider changing into my SMG whenever an engagement becomes too CQ. Not be able to use the SCR with a Charged shot as a Shotgun without using L1,since AA will make the hit connect. The SCR should feel more like the Sniper Rifle while shooting without aiming than the SMG.... With this 2 Changes you are making it a SPECIALIST weapon, And the difference between skilled SCR users and ''tourist'' or EZ moders will be more noticeable. DO IT CCP, im tired of the QQ vs the SCR...Like SRSLY. TY, leave your hate below.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 211	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:54:00 - [2] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: 1-Easy, make small uncharged shots cost a lot more heat and then reduce the heat built up by charge shots, boom no more spam. 2-As for the ASR, just reduce the overheat mechanic to trigger about 30% into the clip, leading to more controlled bursts. 1-This I like , its a good solution too. 2- LOL No. AR have 60 Bullets without Overheat, AND are more precise. the ASCR sucks and everyone with half a brain will choose an Ar if looking for Full auto fire capabilities.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 211	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:55:00 - [3] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Why does it need to get nerfed? Look at the ration of ar kills and scr kills and tell me which one should realy get nerfed. One this is sure thought, both of them need a mage nerf to account for the massive buff that came with the 1.6 hit detection fix Well im not saying the AR does NOT deserve a nerf. Im just saying the most sensible nerf for the SCR would be that IMO.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 212	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:22:00 - [4] - Quote Whiners will whine...but yeah....
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 212	Posted - 2013.11.24 22:26:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Whiners will whine...but yeah.... No I'm serious. ScR needs nerfing into the ground to bring it in line with HAV's...eventually you infantrymen will be complaining your laser tech can't cut through tank hulls. Not the hull,but i should be able to deplete aLL off you Shields with one charged shot... <..< >..> XD
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 215	Posted - 2013.11.24 23:52:00 - [6] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Drop the imperial scrambler rifle's RoF to 400 RPM which is the same as the TAC AR and I also agree with the removal of aim assist. This will balance the SCR and it will help even the balance between shields and armor which is currently vastly in the favor of armor. The Problem is the SCR is NOT a TAC AR. They are supposed to be different. The RoF should not get tweaked,more like he penalty for Follow up shots. If i shoot a charged shot i could fire 5 more i VERY rapid succession OR Shoot 10 with a -+ a sec delay..... Remember The SCR has higher RoF than the TAC but also has an OVERHEAT mechanic and Horrible Fitting requirements....
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 215	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:03:00 - [7] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Drop the imperial scrambler rifle's RoF to 400 RPM which is the same as the TAC AR and I also agree with the removal of aim assist. This will balance the SCR and it will help even the balance between shields and armor which is currently vastly in the favor of armor. The Problem is the SCR is NOT a TAC AR. They are supposed to be different. The RoF should not get tweaked,more like he penalty for Follow up shots. If i shoot a charged shot i could fire 5 more i VERY rapid succession OR Shoot 10 with a -+ a sec delay..... Remember The SCR has higher RoF than the TAC but also has an OVERHEAT mechanic and Horrible Fitting requirements.... It also has zero recoil and is capable of 1300 DPS. At a COST.It not like it has 1300DPs POTENTIAL damage for free like other light weapons.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 215	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:14:00 - [8] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Drop the imperial scrambler rifle's RoF to 400 RPM which is the same as the TAC AR and I also agree with the removal of aim assist. This will balance the SCR and it will help even the balance between shields and armor which is currently vastly in the favor of armor. The Problem is the SCR is NOT a TAC AR. They are supposed to be different. The RoF should not get tweaked,more like he penalty for Follow up shots. If i shoot a charged shot i could fire 5 more i VERY rapid succession OR Shoot 10 with a -+ a sec delay..... Remember The SCR has higher RoF than the TAC but also has an OVERHEAT mechanic and Horrible Fitting requirements.... It also has zero recoil and is capable of 1300 DPS. At a COST.It not like it has 1300DPs POTENTIAL damage for free like other light weapons. LMAO the cost doesn't offset the massive DPS benefit, its also 44k when the TAC AR is 77k. I obviously can't change your mind or any other SCR user, so continue to defend the SCR because you can't deny the inevitable nerf. Same as the ASCR is 77 and the Duvolle is 44k. I dont see your point. Plus the TAC needs a buff? yes, does not mean the SCR needs a damage nerf. What? What inevitable nerf? 1st off, what i proposed in this post IS in a way a nerf. A huge one too. 2nd,CCP doesnt really feel the SCR needs a nerf, thy re actually BUFFING it. They know, they have the numbers, they know the SCR is a very good weapon , but only in the hands of skilled players as it should be. I dont see any scrubs killing me by chance just because of the SCR alpha damage ,an i run a 580 HP amarr assault mostly SHIELD TANKED and i survive most SCR engagements if not all of them. So i;m guessing people are: 1-Doing it WRONG 2-Facing very skilled SCR users Which in any case does not mean the SCR needs a damage nerf.