Buffing HP would certainly bring automatic weapons back in line (excepts the hmg, because it is already awful), but it would break the game. While assault rifles and scrambler rifles would have reasonable killing times, all the other weapons (mass driver, laser rifle, sniper rifles, shotguns, etc...) who already have balance d TTKs would greatly suffer simply because killing anything would become way too long.

This phenomenon can already be observed to a certain extent, say I come face to face with a guy with an assault rifle and that I am wielding a mass driver I will get chopped in two before I can even fire a second shell (and that is with a 800hp protosuit). I am not inventing this, it is simply a fact that I have observed.

The 1.6 hit detection fixed has greatly buffed only certain types of weapons. If we take the mass driver for example, it's TTK has not changed at all since 1.6. The best course of action would (and should) be to augment the TTK for assault rifles, scrambler rifles and smgs...

I am not asking for a nerf, this is not QQ either (I personaly use smgs as my primary sometimes). I am only asking CCP to revert the massive buff that these weapons got with the 1.6 hit detection fix.

Buffing HP would certainly bring automatic weapons back in line (excepts the hmg, because it is already awful), but it would break the game. While assault rifles and scrambler rifles would have reasonable killing times, all the other weapons (mass driver, laser rifle, sniper rifles, shotguns, etc...) who already have balance d TTKs would greatly suffer simply because killing anything would become way too long.

This phenomenon can already be observed to a certain extent, say I come face to face with a guy with an assault rifle and that I am wielding a mass driver I will get chopped in two before I can even fire a second shell (and that is with a 800hp protosuit). I am not inventing this, it is simply a fact that I have observed.

The 1.6 hit detection fixed has greatly buffed only certain types of weapons. If we take the mass driver for example, it's TTK has not changed at all since 1.6. The best course of action would (and should) be to augment the TTK for assault rifles, scrambler rifles and smgs...

I am not asking for a nerf, this is not QQ either (I personaly use smgs as my primary sometimes). I am only asking CCP to revert the massive buff that these weapons got with the 1.6 hit detection fix.

I'm kind of scared to play on my mass driver account, I'm sure the weapon is next to useless now.

Buffing HP would certainly bring automatic weapons back in line (excepts the hmg, because it is already awful), but it would break the game. While assault rifles and scrambler rifles would have reasonable killing times, all the other weapons (mass driver, laser rifle, sniper rifles, shotguns, etc...) who already have balance d TTKs would greatly suffer simply because killing anything would become way too long.

This phenomenon can already be observed to a certain extent, say I come face to face with a guy with an assault rifle and that I am wielding a mass driver I will get chopped in two before I can even fire a second shell (and that is with a 800hp protosuit). I am not inventing this, it is simply a fact that I have observed.

The 1.6 hit detection fixed has greatly buffed only certain types of weapons. If we take the mass driver for example, it's TTK has not changed at all since 1.6. The best course of action would (and should) be to augment the TTK for assault rifles, scrambler rifles and smgs...

I am not asking for a nerf, this is not QQ either (I personaly use smgs as my primary sometimes). I am only asking CCP to revert the massive buff that these weapons got with the 1.6 hit detection fix.

Same for my sg an nova knives, as much as I hate the ttk when I die before my rof let's me get a second shot off, if they buffed suits I would die the same an it would take more shots rendering my proficient weapons useless

Thanks for including the Shotgun, Flix. +1

"Slayer" Logis can already tank 3-4 blasts at current eHP levels.
3-4 blasts means 3-4 seconds.
That's 3-4 seconds in a 0.5 second TTK Scout Suit.

After flanking such a "Slayer", fully unaware ...
I must survive for a minimum of three seconds ...
while staying within 3-6 meters of "Slayer",
while attempting to evade AR / ScR hipfire from "Slayer",
while landing blast after centered blast on "Slayer".

Just like you, I'm split in two, before I can place my second shot.

But what do the AR and ScR guys say?
To strong odds, I'm entitled, as I skilled into an all-purpose suit and all-purpose rifle.
To strong odds, I'm entitled, even when flanked by a shotgunner.
To strong odds, I'm entitled, when engaging any niche weapon within its respective niche.

Fix TTK, but ignore the source of the TTK problem.
Fix TTK, but don't touch my AR or ScR.


* Scratches Head *

There's that, the fact that you need insane aiming to land all four shots and the fact that assault rifles and scrambler rifles alreasy outdamage a shotgun at 3m range (which is completely broken if you want my opinion.

I have proficency 2 in scrambler rifles and smgs and even I think the instakilling sucks. It's just too easy

SMG Proficiency & Sharpshooter V
Shotgun Proficiency V
AR Proficiency & Sharpshooter III <---- (didn't want to, but had to)

My BPO AR kills more reliably from behind than my Proto Shotgun or SMG.
I'm told Scrambler Rifles are even better, though I haven't tried them yet.

So which of the new Rifles will be the best CQC weapon in Dust?
The one with the longest range, maybe?
* Scratches Head, again *

It has been stated in the devblog that the rail rifle will have an extremely tight hipfire spread... *facepalm*

Increasing(as if there is any) the hip fire bullet spread on the problematic weapons is the best solution I've seen posted. & Interestingly enough, would also have positive effects for the HMG, as others have suggested.

Increasing(as if there is any) the hip fire bullet spread on the problematic weapons is the best solution I've seen posted. & Interestingly enough, would also have positive effects for the HMG, as others have suggested.

*facepalm* indeed.

But hey!
The Rail Rifle has to spool up and accelerate some aim-assisted particles prior to unleashing rapid cosmic fury.
The Shotgunner will have several tenths of a second to place his 3-4 blasts.
I'm not much good with maths or the ladies, but those are pretty good odds, right?

Sensing magickal forces at play here, brother.
Or perhaps a minor oversight by CCP.
QA will surely catch it.
We'll be fine.

*facepalm*

just waiting for patch notes on 1.7
useless laser........
useless sl,
useless av grenades
useless shotgun

black friday has plenty of game deals
bench time for dust or delete

perhaps if ccp notices lower player counts then perhaps they may fix some things?

anywho besides all the game deals right now theres tasty comeing soon Fallout 4 and The Witcher 3 and Destiny, The Division, etc.

The thread is fostering thoughts of Highest Treason.
I stand witness. Aghast.

We've been blessed with a fine selection of all-powerful, all-purpose Rifles.
You dare criticize such generous gift!?
Have you no decency?

What I see here is an attempt to punish the best players simply for being the best.
I have seen through your thinly-veiled subterfuge.
I shall tattle on all of you posthaste.

I mostly get killed by said weapons at range, meaning they are aiming down sights. While increasing the spread is a good idea, it is not enough. The weapons need a raw decrease in damage, rof or both. Because right now they simply out range and outdamage moat of the other weapons in game. It will be even worse when the new weapons come out...

I am suprised that no one has made any serious reply stating that the assault rifle is fine and that it's TTK is not too low.