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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3897
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Posted - 2013.11.24 05:18:00 -
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So, as an introduction I'd like to say that my opinions and words (in this case) do not represent my corporation or alliance - rather, they are my own. To reinforce this I have resigned from my role as the corporation's diplomat.
That being said I have to begin by saying that I am very disappointed that things progressed the way they did and I am sympathetic - even apologetic - toward those other corporations who got roped into all of this by circumstance. This particular grievance was silly and started over a mis-communication, escalating beyond necessary proportions despite my best attempts to quell the fire before it got too large; which I feel that I did so very stalwartly.
Now, I'd like to get to the core of why I am posting. First of all, I am deeply disgusted with the gross abuse of diplomatic negotiations to betray my trust as I had done everything in my power to create a co-operative, cohesive atmosphere with which ANONYMOUS and The Southern Legion could make amends and repair what damage had been created from past grievances. I was told to reduce (or cease all together) the hostilities against The Umbra Combine for one week and we would open negotiations in regards to districts - of which we only wanted one and were willing to compensate accordingly. At which point, rather than meeting with me a week after I had made due on my end, The Southern Legion launched a full scale attack on all of our districts - essentially declaring war amidst talks of peace.
This struck me to a degree and I felt as though it was unwarranted as I had spoken with earnest and sincerity during all of the peace talks as I genuinely did not wish to go to war over something trivial, hallmarking on the fact that ANONYMOUS only attacks out of defense (which up until lately was true). That being said we have been at war (officially) for several days and with the results of those battles I have but one question:
What the **** is the point of all of this?
Honest to god there isn't enough damage being done to our clone reserves to make any sizable impact, resulting not only in our troops being paid for a victory but completely recovering from the losses. Issuing out clone packs repeatedly, with which re-attacks occur as soon as the battle is over, is doing nothing more than costing The Southern Legion ISK and considering the diminutive size of your territories I can only assume that you have enough to continue this facade for a short time.
What's worse is that you have dragged other corporations to your flock in an effort to press the attacks on our American timers which go well into your downtime, there are too many disadvantages on your end for this to continue and while I understand paying mercenaries or appealing for foreign aid the only thing that has accomplished is destroying otherwise good standings across the board with everyone involved.
As I am genuinely concerned, I implore that you cease the hostilities, as I had before, before you bankrupt yourselves. This is a war that will continue until one side or the other cannot continue and suffice to say, you're not doing yourselves any favors by paying us for your assaults.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3900
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:35:00 -
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Arirana wrote:War is war, they wanted it they got it. If peace between anon and TSL matters that much to you Aeon then crush them utterly, and offer to restart peacetalks.
It doesn't. I dropped the role of Diplomat so that I can take a more aggressive approach, starting with this thread - have made it a point to go directly for the ones responsible when I see them on the field and I'm sure that Lysander and Q Starfighter regret knowing my name at this point.
Bringing in War Ravens, Rogue Spades, Outer Heaven... That's just the icing on the cake. Reminds me of the Catch War in a way.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3901
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Posted - 2013.11.24 21:51:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:If i was a member of southern legion i would be thinking " Since this guy doesn't represent his corp in any way. Why should i listen to him" your first statement makes this whole topic useless. It also looks like you were scared of being punished by your corps leaders because of this your post.
I mean this in no offensive way. I am just saying that first statement takes away the true force of your whole point.
I plan on them making that mistake.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3901
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:57:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:So when we pull in other corps to attack you outside our core tz but inside yours, that's bad?
But when we set our defense timers to be inside our core tz but not in yours, that's also bad?
I am in awe of the cognitive dissonance required to simultaneously believe both those things.
I'm in awe that spamming nanohives on an objective to induce lag is a viable tactic.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3901
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:38:00 -
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Badwolf Jones wrote:Wrap it up any which way you want Anon & Aeon but we're fighting for one reason and that's to teabag Egypt.
Long may it continue.
That's the dumbest reason to start a war that I've ever heard of. Hell, the War on Drugs and the War on Terror are at least profit related.
The War on Egypt? That's just racist.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3904
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Posted - 2013.11.25 18:56:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:While I have the highest respect for you Aeon, and I have been in communication with you frequently over this diplomatic issue, I do have to point out that while you may have been working for peace, other members of your corporation stroked their epeen, insulted, attacked, and berated members high up the order in The Southern Legion, and lower level members.
The 'atmosphere' you created for diplomatic negotiations was a fa+šade as several 'key' members of your corporation did not abide by it, and continued to act aggressively toward our members.
There is also the other facts in your statement. We bring ringers from aligned corporations, because we are friends. You and others have thrown statements that we can put full teams in your timers... over the course of a weekend, sure... we can put full teams on the board if we have to but during any week day, we would struggle to find 'PC Ready' members.. They have accused us of putting our timers in times we cannot attack, we have the same issue with most European timers, them being in such awkward timers that come at 3-4am in the morning here.
We have lost a lot of battles, we don't deny it. But as many will attest, the strength of the Legion lies in it's stubbornness, tenacity, and general community-based structure. We are used to being the underdogs, and in the past, we have been pushed out of Planetary Conquest.
But we came back.
We fought tooth and nail to earn our place in PC once again. And should this event happen again, we will survive and come back, better and stronger again.
Might want to check with your intelligence guys because those "key" members are forum goers and if you automatically assume that anyone with ANONYMOUS tags is a director... well, that's just a pity. What's even more of a pity is the amount of butt hurt over forum posts being the deciding factor in actual politics; which is sad to say the least. Here's two facts I'd like to point out:
1.) Forum posts aside, there was no facade. I did my part and we ceased hostilities for the allotted time -you- set forth. 2.) It's the internet. People troll. Deal with it.
And please, don't mistake those forum posters - or anyone that does not bear the name Aeon Amadi - with myself. I dropped the role of Ambassador and Diplomat because I'm now one of the acting commanders due to a total leadership overhaul; this is public information and if you use the 'show info' on our corporation you'll notice we have a different CEO. Unless, of course, that's just part of this facade at which I have but no words for the bearers of tin foil hats.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3921
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Posted - 2013.11.26 00:41:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote: Might want to check with your intelligence guys because those "key" members are forum goers and if you automatically assume that anyone with ANONYMOUS tags is a director... well, that's just a pity. What's even more of a pity is the amount of butt hurt over forum posts being the deciding factor in actual politics; which is sad to say the least. Here's two facts I'd like to point out:
1.) Forum posts aside, there was no facade. I did my part and we ceased hostilities for the allotted time -you- set forth. 2.) It's the internet. People troll. Deal with it.
And please, don't mistake those forum posters - or anyone that does not bear the name Aeon Amadi - with myself. I dropped the role of Ambassador and Diplomat because I'm now one of the acting commanders due to a total leadership overhaul; this is public information and if you use the 'show info' on our corporation you'll notice we have a different CEO. Unless, of course, that's just part of this facade at which I have but no words for the bearers of tin foil hats.
You may want to check with your membership. A leadership change is one thing, but in many cases the abuse was not on the forums, but sent in veiled threat mails, Egypt Musk was the worst for it, but he was not the only one. If you have new leadership, I congratulate you, but you also have to look at your core members who continue to antagonise others. I asked for a period of a week in good faith. My officers knew of it, and respected it. They also reduced their antagonist actions, and were called cowards, and so on, and so forth, for not biting back at the plethora of hostile mails and in-game threats we received. There is only so much that anyone can take of that when we were supposed to be under a so-called 'peace' or ceasefire. There may have been no fa+šade on your part Aeon, as I said earlier, I respect you. It was your leadership that earned our dislike, and the actions of any member of a corporation are taken into account. It is not solely the province of the diplomats, or the leaders, to maintain the image of any corporation or alliance.
"but sent in veiled threat mails, Egypt Musk was the worst for it, but he was not the only one" "the actions of any member of a corporation are taken into account"
Your fault for not informing me earlier after I said (repeatedly) to inform me if you guys need anything. Just as well, pics or it didn't happen (not that I care at this point).
Further more... internet. If I was going to start a war over he-said-she-said I'd have had ANONYMOUS jump The Southern Legion months ago but as I'm a sympathetic sort, sorry our members hurt your members' feelings. If you're willing to listen to reason and maybe set some of those guys to your block list (an option fully available to all of you), I'm here.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3921
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Posted - 2013.11.26 00:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:*Facepalms at last post.... blaming you corp mates unacceptable behaviour, especially operating under the auspices of diplomacy..... that is poor diplomacy indeed. You corp is responsible for the people in it.
One mouths off, you all just mouthed off.
And this is what you got, for good or ill. They started the war, that your guys gave them the perfect reason to do so.
Yup.
/bombs every Dust player that ever posted on the forums ever
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3923
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Posted - 2013.11.26 00:59:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:True Adamance wrote:*Facepalms at last post.... blaming you corp mates unacceptable behaviour, especially operating under the auspices of diplomacy..... that is poor diplomacy indeed. You corp is responsible for the people in it.
One mouths off, you all just mouthed off.
And this is what you got, for good or ill. They started the war, that your guys gave them the perfect reason to do so. Yup. /bombs every Dust player that ever posted on the forums ever Are you surprised there is war then. As I said before. Wars have been started, in EVE, for less. Take Amarr Milita civil strife. Already corps were pissy at one another, held together by a couple of corporations. Two roaming fleets who didn't really like each other flying with neuts.... one fleet shoots the neut and we have open war. Your guys shot that neut.....
Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3923
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Posted - 2013.11.26 01:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:True Adamance wrote:*Facepalms at last post.... blaming you corp mates unacceptable behaviour, especially operating under the auspices of diplomacy..... that is poor diplomacy indeed. You corp is responsible for the people in it.
One mouths off, you all just mouthed off.
And this is what you got, for good or ill. They started the war, that your guys gave them the perfect reason to do so. Yup. /bombs every Dust player that ever posted on the forums ever Are you surprised there is war then. As I said before. Wars have been started, in EVE, for less. Take Amarr Milita civil strife. Already corps were pissy at one another, held together by a couple of corporations. Two roaming fleets who didn't really like each other flying with neuts.... one fleet shoots the neut and we have open war. Your guys shot that neut..... Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Indeed, then do not pretend like this was unprovoked. I'm an absolute nut for scheming and politics.....but a whitewash making the guys your people provoked is hardly a clever one..... I don't care who wins, war is good for the both of your corps. Have fun fighting it and good luck to you. I'ds rather my boyz from da NZ and AUS kick some ass....but our timers are really inconvenient.
I'll consider your suggestion when you're part of the warring factions, until then keep to your slave-making.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3923
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
I'll consider your suggestion when you're part of the warring factions, until then keep to your slave-making.
I'm glad I have your endorsement. I shall do just that. Still it really doesn't matter if I am a part of this or not, doesn't make the truth sting any less. Tell the truth always the Scriptures say.
It is exactly as you say, the truth stings - I have no less disgraced my own name as I did everything in my power to ease the tension and while it is true that wars have been started over less, I view this to be the example with which less primitive nations move forward.
To this, I will quote the words of a wise man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF39O_OQm6M
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3923
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:52:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:
I'll consider your suggestion when you're part of the warring factions, until then keep to your slave-making.
I'm glad I have your endorsement. I shall do just that. Still it really doesn't matter if I am a part of this or not, doesn't make the truth sting any less. Tell the truth always the Scriptures say. You just had to slip a lil rp in there XD
(Has been role-playing this entire time and would just as soon buy all of the aussies a drink xD)
(Note: I have been a role-player for thirteen years and was a developer for the text-based role-playing game Atonement RPI )
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3924
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:20:00 -
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Scrote Schroder wrote:The Hobbit - on Commodore 64. The old text based adventure lol.
- OPEN BARREL - OPEN TRAP DOOR - GET BARREL - THROW BARREL THROUGH TRAP DOOR - SAY TO THORIN "JUMP ONTO BARREL" - GET BARREL - THROW BARREL THROUGH TRAP DOOR - JUMP ONTO BARREL - EAST - PICK UP BARD
Pretty much Atonement
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3949
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:38:00 -
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sssbassil wrote:me, but its coz these late times suit me in nz,
warravens as a corp has no part in this tho, i am acting independently, i am just fizzing for more pc, and this is where its at
lovein it,
As True Adamance stated earlier, the actions of the member reflect the corporation. Might want to be weary of that lest you bring some unwanted attention to the direction of the War Ravens.
Not to say that we will do it, we're more concerned with Umbra Combine right now... but, yanno, figured I'd warn you since there are people out there who are quick to pull the trigger over the silly ****.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3955
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Posted - 2013.11.28 18:27:00 -
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Leithe Askarii wrote:
In this case it doesn't matter, but if you were a small time PvE corp with High sec Planet holdings or something and you mouthed off to X corp...they wouldn't hesitate to put you in your place.
I really hope you're not making the mistake of referring to ANONYMOUS with this statement >_>;;
sssbassil wrote:
you know where warravens stand aeon, neutral, **** i would help you dudes out,
you have ring against warravens to aeon and we had no hard feelings about that,
Have I? Huh..... When? I really don't remember, please refresh me o_o;
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
3966
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Posted - 2013.11.29 08:31:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Leithe Askarii wrote:
In this case it doesn't matter, but if you were a small time PvE corp with High sec Planet holdings or something and you mouthed off to X corp...they wouldn't hesitate to put you in your place.
I really hope you're not making the mistake of referring to ANONYMOUS with this statement >_>;; sssbassil wrote:
you know where warravens stand aeon, neutral, **** i would help you dudes out,
you have ring against warravens to aeon and we had no hard feelings about that,
Have I? Huh..... When? I really don't remember, please refresh me o_o; Renegade is pretty big of course you aren't the small mining corp. You are the big stomping corp that destroys other corps because you can.... you perfectly fit the bill of a corp in new eden
Lmfao, yes because of all this territory ANONYMOUS has - let me tell you.
We've maintained a pretty solid reputation of only attacking after being attacked. Our training corp isn't subject to this policy (otherwise they'd never get any practice) and that's pretty much what started this war in the first place. Which, I will remind you, TSOLE attacked first after basically lying about wanting a ceasefire.
EDIT: And if you don't believe me on this, here's a confidential document I've saved where Lysander admits that they pulled that number. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XttNej2Z_VMKeoIq4njxUO2AQCCFaUR7YoAWESw4Lvc/edit
Second Edit: Also, assuming Lysander is being truthful and legitimately wanted to reduce hostilities (something I doubt) and they had a vote to attack anyway; than he's guilty of the same exact thing I'm accused of being on the chopping block for in that he can't control his people and/or has no sway with the directors xD
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