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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.23 10:43:00 -
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There are a few people that would spec fully into tanks after 1.7. It's not fair that people who had vehicle skills get those SP's back and those without do not. Before you ask, I'm one of the ones getting a partial respec following 1.7. I'm just trying to get the points out of AR... I mean, make it fair to the community. Yes, make it fair. *Shifty eyes*
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.23 11:06:00 -
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Freshticles wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:The vehicle skill trees will change in its entirety whereas infantry trees are hardly being touched. No need for infantry to get a respec. Maybe an AR respec, as it was a placeholder for the RR and CR, but not a full respec. The problem is the partial respec can get abused. I'm a 100% vehicle user. I can get all of my invested sp and go straight into infantry if I wanted to. People that are already infantry but want to do vehicles now that they've been revamped cannot. It is unfair. Better for the whole community to be on an even playing field choosing what they want than for a small minority to get the one up.
This is exactly my point, right here. I could care less about MY SP's, I'm getting over 2Mil back, I'm doing this for the infantry people.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.23 11:29:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Are you not mercenaries of a ruthless universe called New Eden? Are we agents of war or are we rose gatherers?
Not everything can be "fair" to every player. If the player A is refunded for vehicle specs and player B is not because he specced not into vehicles; its really not a big deal. The probability of the SP going anywhere besides vehicle skills for player A is pretty high. Meaning, without vehicles, he would have naturally progressed the same amount of SP and purchased skillbooks over time as opposed to leveling up quickly after respecs.
I'm not specced into vehicles but I don't care that you guys are getting a respec. You should, since they are changing the game. So what you guys are getting some odd SP points to level up new areas or try new things (if that's possible). I don't walk into battles looking to lose. And respecs doesn't mean you become a god overnight.
I agree that you can't become good overnight, it takes practice. But notice that this is not a "respec for free, or for ISK, or for Aurum or whatever" thread. This is a "the game has changed, some people wanna play with the new toys and the ones with the old toys have an advantage over them" thread.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
134
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Posted - 2013.11.23 11:33:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:There are a few people that would spec fully into tanks after 1.7. It's not fair that people who had vehicle skills get those SP's back and those without do not. Before you ask, I'm one of the ones getting a partial respec following 1.7. I'm just trying to get the points out of AR... I mean, make it fair to the community. Yes, make it fair. *Shifty eyes* Don't expect anyone to listen. They will insist that you're begging, crying, acting like a child or simply depicting sounds you're making (whining) however I can say that they are most likely worse than you as a shooter.
Like for the compliment. And I'm thinking that you agree? Is that a fair assumption?
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.23 11:55:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Are you not mercenaries of a ruthless universe called New Eden? Are we agents of war or are we rose gatherers?
Not everything can be "fair" to every player. If the player A is refunded for vehicle specs and player B is not because he specced not into vehicles; its really not a big deal. The probability of the SP going anywhere besides vehicle skills for player A is pretty high. Meaning, without vehicles, he would have naturally progressed the same amount of SP and purchased skillbooks over time as opposed to leveling up quickly after respecs.
I'm not specced into vehicles but I don't care that you guys are getting a respec. You should, since they are changing the game. So what you guys are getting some odd SP points to level up new areas or try new things (if that's possible). I don't walk into battles looking to lose. And respecs doesn't mean you become a god overnight. I agree that you can't become good overnight, it takes practice. But notice that this is not a "respec for free, or for ISK, or for Aurum or whatever" thread. This is a "the game has changed, some people wanna play with the new toys and the ones with the old toys have an advantage over them" thread. Yes, I understand what you are saying because you expressed yourself clearly. I'm saying the ones with the old toys really don't have any advantage at all. Time played = SP respec. No matter the method of acquiring those skillpoints, those who are getting respecs really have no difference in the skill point progression itself. The only thing different is that they're getting a bundle of SP as opposed to those who didn't spec into vehicles, whom acquired the SP over time.
I will try again, since I misunderstood you. While you and I get (roughly) the same amount of SP's per week, I get the points that I put into vehicles back. You get nothing. I can use those points anywhere. If I were to be required to put them back into vehicles until I get to a certain point, say +1Mil SP's, this post would not exist. However, I do not. Until the racial variants of everything is in, I say we get a full respec every time there is a major overhaul, not the "my weapon was nerfed, respec please" variety, but "new toys? May I get a respec please" variety. After Racials, you keep your mistakes.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.23 12:09:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:LOL let me try this again. The SP you put in vehicles is the same SP I put into other areas for my infantry player. They remove vehicles and respec your SP. My SP has not moved. Yours has moved from vehicles and to what other areas you may want to check out or skill up.
So its quite reasonable for you to get your SP, since the vehicle changes. Nothing affects my SP or better yet, nothing in 1.7 affects my SP gain/loss.
So it evens out. Hope you understand where I'm coming from.
Of course I do, I just disagree with you, and am trying to keep the debate alive. Let's say you DID want to spec into vehicles. The grind to get the right number of SP's is long. As opposed to me, who wants out. I don't have to grind. *Shrug* I'm not going to win you over, but it's basically that I don't have to worry, I'm getting 2M Sp's that are going into RR's and CalLogi. If I had a full respec, I'd just fill out my role. Scanner, Core, Armor, Shields, Repair Tool, Nanite Injector, Proto Logi, Full RR. As much SMG as possible after. Just my life as a Logi. But you can't do that with vehicles because no SP's back. I'm not getting free SP's, I'm just getting a refund. That's what I want the community as a whole to receive, You can't tell me that there's nothing that you'd take your points out of if you could. For me, that's Assault Rifles, which I only used because there was no Caldari variant. There is now (or will be soon). Which brings me to the people who, unlike me, did not spec into vehicles, but want into the new weapons. They have a disadvantage on skill level (not actual skill) on these weapons to me. Or the people who want to go all Minmatar, all the time. /wall of text
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:32:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Michael Arck wrote:LOL let me try this again. The SP you put in vehicles is the same SP I had already put into other areas for my infantry player. They remove vehicles and respec your SP. My SP has not moved. Yours has moved from vehicles and to what other areas you may want to check out or skill up.
So its quite reasonable for you to get your SP, since the vehicle changes. Nothing affects my SP or better yet, nothing in 1.7 affects my SP gain/loss.
So it evens out. Hope you understand where I'm coming from. No it isnt I put in x amount of SP for vehicles, i worked it out about how much it would take me to spec out my vehicle tree with everything i needed Now CCP increased the SP sink by a factor of 3 The SP i have now no longer covers what i need in 1.7 Now once i maxed out my vehicle tree i saved up 8mil SP for pilot suits which never arrived, the vehicle patch kept getting pushed back so in the end i ended up skilling into infantry so i could have a secondary playstyle Now i need that SP from infantry back since CCP increased how much SP it takes to do vehicles Sources please about this SP sink. So if they increased the sink by 3, then you are saying you're at a disadvantage at getting the partial respec? You are not even coinciding with what the OP is expressing. The OP is stating that those who get partial respec will have a advantage over others. You neither expressed how that's possibly or brought anything to the table to further support the claim. No looking to slight the OP in a negative fashion but the mercenary has already expressed they solely wish to keep the debate alive. If reasonable answer is found, we are merely on television panel with other guests going in circles for the sake of. If you paid 500 bucks for something in a store in the same location I perusing at, and the company gives you 500 back for a faulty product, where in that does the consumer who did not purchase anything has a justifiable reason to gain money as well. And what put the spender in a advantage position over the other guy who did not spend anything?
But it's not like you bought something faulty. You bought something, then it was changed. Maybe you'll like the new way better, maybe you won't. I will not, so going infantry. Anyways, the weapons tree is changing, too, new weapons coming out. I want my RR, and am going to get it, I just want out of AR's. As do a lot of people. And some want INTO vehicles, like my cousin. The game has changed, let us evolve with it. After all racials are out, we keep what we got, not until then. That's my opinion.
I am the Horseless Headsman.
Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
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