Take 'em, don't even give me aurum back for them. Maybe my example will further along some kind of sensibility among the community and the forums will no longer be land fill for "class action lawsuit" threats.

Albeit.. Uhh... Lemme keep the Templar set.. Paid a lot of money for dems... The rest you can donate to the homeless on Caldari Prime.

Edit: Also using this as a measure to further along the idea of making BPO's permanent skins that still require ISK cost. Doesn't work for modules but hey, they need never have existed in the first place.

Hey since you guys are giving **** away can i have your ISK?

Nah, me having ISK to spend on legitimate weaponry is good for the economy.

The real bane is the PC ISK farming but you don't say **** about that ruining the econ.

BPO ruining econ, laughable compared to PC shenanigans.

And that is what I say to everyone that says the BPOs are the problem. Mention that and everyone turns white and becomes mute.

Too bad you can't spend it on another Gallente tattoo.

With dust's player base at the lowest it will ever be do you think it will really matter when more integration appears?

It won't.

The real bane is the PC ISK farming but you don't say **** about that ruining the econ.

BPO ruining econ, laughable compared to PC shenanigans.

Nah, me having ISK to spend on legitimate weaponry is good for the economy.

you guys can suck balls

Your name doesn't make you look like a mature adult person

hopefully you get some likes for trollin bro

And that is what I say to everyone that says the BPOs are the problem. Mention that and everyone turns white and becomes mute.

hmmm lets see... I can make 60, mil isk owning a district and locking it or just fighting my buddies who wont take it,

or I can make a few million isk with a bpo and HOURS AND HOURS of play....

yeah remove bpo's before they break this game, its running so smoothly all but for those darn game breaking bpo's

So when you get into a squad, what do they call you? Not trolling - legitimate question

So join a PC corp. Not like the option isn't available to you. Hell, you don't even have to pay real money.

hmmm lets see... I can make 60, mil isk owning a district and locking it or just fighting my buddies who wont take it,

or I can make a few million isk with a bpo and HOURS AND HOURS of play....

yeah remove bpo's before they break this game, its running so smoothly all but for those darn game breaking bpo's

Take 'em, don't even give me aurum back for them. Maybe my example will further along some kind of sensibility among the community and the forums will no longer be land fill for "class action lawsuit" threats.

Albeit.. Uhh... Lemme keep the Templar set.. Paid a lot of money for dems... The rest you can donate to the homeless on Caldari Prime.

Edit: Also using this as a measure to further along the idea of making BPO's permanent skins that still require ISK cost. Doesn't work for modules but hey, they need never have existed in the first place.

How about you keep stuff you paid for, and kick off when someone tries to take it away from you?

Sweet! Lets brainstorm to come up with more schemes for CCP to make more money! Because obviously the effort and value of the product they offer far outweighs their profits. And their business practices and customer service are second to none.

I think it's a half measure on your part Amadi. Consider challenging CCP: for every BPO that they take away from you, you give them real currency (US dollars) equaling the value of the appropriated BPO. That would show the community who's the bigger man.

Not like I'm not getting my money back. More boosters.

Sweet! Lets brainstorm to come up with more schemes for CCP to make more money! Because obviously the effort and value of the product they offer far outweighs their profits. And their business practices and customer service are second to none.

I think it's a half measure on your part Amadi. Consider challenging CCP: for every BPO that they take away from you, you give them real currency (US dollars) equaling the value of the appropriated BPO. That would show the community who's the bigger man.

BPO ruins the ecomony lolno

Id love to see the proof

Take 'em, don't even give me aurum back for them. Maybe my example will further along some kind of sensibility among the community and the forums will no longer be land fill for "class action lawsuit" threats.

Albeit.. Uhh... Lemme keep the Templar set.. Paid a lot of money for dems... The rest you can donate to the homeless on Caldari Prime.

Edit: Also using this as a measure to further along the idea of making BPO's permanent skins that still require ISK cost. Doesn't work for modules but hey, they need never have existed in the first place.

You might get lucky and dodge the sweep like someone did with their sagaris or yellow pills.

And if CCP one day decides that boosters affect game balance, and removes them with an aurum refund, I suppose you'll be fine with that?

I've been advocating for an ISK option since the game started, don't believe me you're more than welcome to browse my post history back to June of 2012.

That isn't what I asked.
Would you defend CCP with the same arguments if, instead of BPOs, they were forcibly removing boosters instead?

O-o;

I just can't understand getting beat up over it. Never had much value in money, honestly, it's just little slips of paper to me. Wouldn't believe how much of the stuff I've wasted on food that I'm never getting back

It doesn't matter how I answer, you're fishing for a way to express your opinion rather than argument that may sway your opinion. That much was readily apparent when you used the words "forcibly removing".

Here's the facts: The only BPOs being removed are legacy items that aren't going to be available on the market either for Aurum or ISK because they simply won't exist anymore. 180mm Plates, for instance, are gone as of 1.7. There's no reason to have them anymore because all they'd do is offset the balance in the game when they're going through hoops to fix the vehicles that everyone bitched about (even though we've got more pressing issues, imo).

Trying to compare removal of BPO's for balance reasons over removing boosters isn't nearly the same argument. Fact of the matter is that they're refunding you the aurum you spent on it and the BPOs are being removed because the items they've based on don't exist anymore - clamoring for reform, starting forum wars and threadnaughts isn't going to change that. Further more, you signed the EULA the second you logged into your account in-game which allows them the right to change, modify or otherwise remove the content - even if you don't agree with it.

So would I defend CCP with the same arguments? **** yes I would and I would do it proudly because I support creative design. This isn't like The War Z (now known as Infestation: Survival Stories) in which they started banning people left and right because of negative feedback; they're going forward with their game and the only legitimate argument anyone has in this case is that they're taking away their silly virtual items which are weak-sauce compared to other options, further more they're taking them for a very good reason: Balance, which is exactly what the community has been bitching about.

There, answered your question, now you respond with more of your "but we had a contractual agreement" banter and I'll just ignore it because - like I said - you're not fishing for an argument your fishing for a way to drool out thoughts on entitlement.

Nice wall of text. You're defending the worthlessness of aurum. Of what value is this currency if there is no guarantee attatched to anything you purchase with it?
The reasonable course of action would be to offer equivalent BPOs for those that have been removed. Giving a refund for items that are now irreplaceable is hardly a fair exchange.

If you really mean it when you say you wouldn't mind them removing your boosters, then I can only conclude that you are a moron. The two biggest selling points of aurum were boosters & BPOs. If all you're using aurum for is Codewishes & Sinewardens, then CCP deserves your money.

Lmfao, a moron eh? Because I'm one of those logical people that is more interesting in a BPO's impact on the game rather than some silly aurum value? Get real brosef, let me educate you on something real quick.

Aurum is not worthless, no sir, quite the opposite in fact. Aurum is a very powerful agent in which CCP can get revenue and profit from their consumers on a free-to-play game but the issue is that no-one ever had a sit down with marketing and said that those items shouldn't have an in-game impact that you couldn't accomplish with ISK. Neo gear is great for that, as are the aurum variant weaponry and you haven't seen it in use I would suggest dropping the NPC corp and getting into a PC corp to see just how often they're used. I was killed three times but an aurum ASCR not an hour ago.

Even still, removing boosters should have been done a long time ago or they should have been revamped in some way; an ISK option, maybe even a booster that extends your cap so that you can catch up with some of the veterans. There's a thousand different options but again no-one told marketing any good ideas so people just bought Omega Boosters because they had liquid income and wanted an edge, of those I'm almost positive that no-one told Marketing the impact these things had and they only could see one thing: The fact that they sold.

Know what would be a good idea for aurum? Implementation of the skill spikes that were originally hinted at in Beta. Turning BPO's into permanent skins that still require an ISK cost - both on dropsuits and weapons; hell you could even make advanced/prototype BPOs proportionately more expensive that way.

Sorry, but anything that gives you an inherent edge in this game that isn't strictly temporary doesn't need to exist and it's entirely the reason it hasn't in Eve Online. In Eve Online, it's all vanity gear; clothing and the like. If you're seriously trying to convince me that we need to keep BPOs in this game because "it's what people spend Aurum on" you're even more naive than I originally led on or a terrible troll. Either way, it's a dead argument and I take great pleasure in reminding you of the fact there's nothing you can do about it - those FOUR BPOs are gettin' nyxxed mate.

Money can feed and clothe people, for example. I don't know if you think there is value in that. Or money can be spent to encourage CCP to keep going forward with non-ending swindling and poor business practices.

But then there are ppl trying to fight back. In all likelihood it's just b/c they are greedy and whiny.

these paragraphs are irrefutable proof of your inability to understand complex subject matter, let alone this game.

please explain with math how bpo's ruin the game.

please explain to me how aur is worth any more than isk if all aur items are consumable with isk equivalents.

even eve has a dust like bpo... its called a rookieship... modules too. also, nobody buys aur in eve....

oh...

and, isn't 20 mil sp an internet edge over a 1 mil sp merc..... hmmmmmmm

.......hmmmmmm

HMMMMMMMMM

HMMMMMMMMMMMM

See what I mean? They will just keep asking you to do stupid things to prove yourself....

Lmfao, a moron eh? Because I'm one of those logical people that is more interesting in a BPO's impact on the game rather than some silly aurum value? Get real brosef, let me educate you on something real quick.

Aurum is not worthless, no sir, quite the opposite in fact. Aurum is a very powerful agent in which CCP can get revenue and profit from their consumers on a free-to-play game but the issue is that no-one ever had a sit down with marketing and said that those items shouldn't have an in-game impact that you couldn't accomplish with ISK. Neo gear is great for that, as are the aurum variant weaponry and you haven't seen it in use I would suggest dropping the NPC corp and getting into a PC corp to see just how often they're used. I was killed three times but an aurum ASCR not an hour ago.

Even still, removing boosters should have been done a long time ago or they should have been revamped in some way; an ISK option, maybe even a booster that extends your cap so that you can catch up with some of the veterans. There's a thousand different options but again no-one told marketing any good ideas so people just bought Omega Boosters because they had liquid income and wanted an edge, of those I'm almost positive that no-one told Marketing the impact these things had and they only could see one thing: The fact that they sold.

Know what would be a good idea for aurum? Implementation of the skill spikes that were originally hinted at in Beta. Turning BPO's into permanent skins that still require an ISK cost - both on dropsuits and weapons; hell you could even make advanced/prototype BPOs proportionately more expensive that way.

Sorry, but anything that gives you an inherent edge in this game that isn't strictly temporary doesn't need to exist and it's entirely the reason it hasn't in Eve Online. In Eve Online, it's all vanity gear; clothing and the like. If you're seriously trying to convince me that we need to keep BPOs in this game because "it's what people spend Aurum on" you're even more naive than I originally led on or a terrible troll. Either way, it's a dead argument and I take great pleasure in reminding you of the fact there's nothing you can do about it - those FOUR BPOs are gettin' nyxxed mate.

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^^^ That person bought Aurum in Eve Online, a **** ton of it. $60 worth.

BPO's ruin the game because there's no ISK expenditure in their use. Wanna know an awesome side effect from that? Corp boosting. Just call in a few dozen/hundred BPO LAVs and farm the RDVs for War Points with a Forge Gun/Rail Gun. Nothing but net gain because no-one is losing a damn thing out of that situation at all.

Same thing applies to BPO dropsuits and weapons. Just sit there and farm matches with nothing but BPO gear and you lose literally nothing and ISK is spawned out of no-where, it's not like null-sec ratting where there's a potential for you to lose a ship it's PURE ISK GENERATION and nothing but. It's being spawned out of thin air with no risk to it at all and what's worse is they gave some of these damn things out for free (see 'Exile' Assault Rifle).

Aurum isn't supposed to be this "I paid money so I don't have to spend ISK ever again" aspect of the game, it should be an alternative - not a default. Worth is a hell of a lot more skewed when that starts happening and it's what has been happening. It works in a game like Battlefield or Call of Duty where the matches don't matter and nothing you ever do has a long-term impact but in Eve Online/Dust 514 it's a game changer simply because when we do get a player-to-player market system, no-one is going to give a rats ass about standard gear just because everyone has BPO's. The worth of them plummets instantly as opposed to this almighty 'aurum' which you apparently has a misinterpretation over.

It's called supply and demand, it's a basic concept of economics. If there is absolutely no demand for a certain level of gear (namely because people have it for free) than what is the point of going through all the trouble to make sure there's a supply? Any player that joins this game from here on out is jacked over because those BPO's aren't available to them simply because they were implemented to begin with and your argument is that Aurum is worthless without it? Get real dude.

Vanity items and alternative expenditure. If you don't have the skills for it, buy some aurum. Want a fancy color pack for your suit? Buy aurum. But it should never be "I don't want to spend in-game currency ever again and I'm just going to save up from here on it." There should be effort behind the ISK rewards and if you're seriously advocating against that you need to go play a different game.

Honest to god think that money shouldn't even exist in the real world. Currency is cool and all but it's too easy to abuse and fluctuate the value of through corruption. When you have something like the Federal Reserve which prints money out solely on the basis that the government ran out and needed more, there's an automatic debt included with every single unit. A dollar is printed out with debt attached - explain how that makes any damn sense.

I've been more in favor of a resource based economy (which is why I'm trying very very hard to get the hell out of America) where the currency - if any - actually has something to base it's value off of rather than... whatever the hell we feel like at the time.

S'why when I see these guys ranting and raving over four freaggin militia BPO's (MILITIA!!!) I can only scratch my head and raise a brow at just how silly people can be and what they'll fight over. I mean threatening legal action and potentially risking an entire company's livelihood - not to mention their families - for the sake of four god damn virtual items that aren't even going to be available on the ISK market? When you're getting refunded the aurum you spent on those items?

People are starving to death in the world and we've got people threatening class action lawsuits over items that aren't even real and won't be there when the game loses funding/support (incidentally BECAUSE of those lawsuits). That's the definition of first world problems, man.

I don't suffer for these changes. I have roughly 24,000sp in vehicles, and my only BPOs were bundled.

Would you prefer if I post on the character I currently fight with? The one in the corp that won the recent tournament? Or should I stick with dear old Chunky here? Who downed Imperfect tanks in the finals of the original beta tournament about a year ago?
Or here's a third option: how about you don't question my gameplay credentials? How does that sound?

Rambling on and on about your suggested alternatives does nothing to address the poor attitude CCP is showing to its customers, and your unquestioning support of these actions only encourages them to squeeze more and more out of us until the camel's back breaks and the game is exclusively populated by fanboys whacking off over the $70 monacle they just purchased for their merc.
You have assumed that these items were removed for the sake of game balance, when anyone with a rudimentary understanding of this market knows it has more to do bank balance. BPOs cut into the sale of consumable aurum weapons, and since realising this, CCP has shown that they will spare no opportunity to take them from us.
They may have legal immunity from this bait & switch tactic, but only someone who cares nothing for the community would extend that immunity to legitimate criticism of underhanded business practices.

So save your rants, and your fanboy flapping, you have demonstrated quite clearly your lack of understanding for both the Dust market, and the importance of consumer relations.