apparently there's a possibility of an infantry respec in 1.8, assuming that is the infantry patch. keep hope, because without it, this game is nothing.

you know no one give a **** about anything in Dust.

I do.

apparently there's a possibility of an infantry respec in 1.8, assuming that is the infantry patch. keep hope, because without it, this game is nothing.

TL;DR Not a full respec request just an SP refund as and when you add the other racial variants .. if its just AR variants then refund the SP skilled into the AR/ScR if its just scout suits then refund the sp invested in the scout suit variants ..

completely agree, we have had to waste skill points to be able to play and still have a feeling of development even though we are missing large amounts

but at the same time, i play Logi atm but i will im sure end up being a heavy, right now with Heavy having no suits and no weapons to really choose from im not going to put point into a role which i dont even know how its going to work, in this respect i would rather see the full basic racial suits and weapons come out (unbalanced if they have to be) so we can get a feel for the design of them

Im only Gallente as im hoping Drones will come in and it will be their Racial bonus at somepoint

Also concerned that Racial suits will get a bonus to their Races weapons, right now they dont do i could spend my SP cross skilling weapons and suits to find out later when the rest get released they need to separate them

Setting our expectations of whats to come helps us prepare, but granted CCP have to try and stick with it, if CCP cant stick by their expectations then they should bend over backwards to to explain why and do what they can to make the community happy, i.e full respects

the BPO fiasco is a joke, in the 10 years running EvE and all the BPO issues and with your Market Guru you could not see this coming seems incredibly unlikely, i bet that guy was screaming not to introduce BPO's it was clear to all they were a bad idea, without the need of materials to create items you kill the market, even Aur items are not a great idea for the same reason, they are still created out of nothing, would be better to get the market merged and allow the trading of PLEX so Dust players could sell PLEX to EvE toons for Isk

We have players setting up Isk transfers between EvE and Dust...... why cant you get it active yet

ok i might have gone on a rant so ill shut up now

TL;DR -- i agree :D

This is just CCP. It's how they have always operated about SP refunds around skill changes, for over a decade.


If they completely rework something like they are with vehicles... delete... add... redo the mechanics.. They will reimburse the skill points.


If they nerf or buff soemething they won't... as the cycle in New Eden goes they will always be useful and maybe one day be the FOTM again and you can always acquire new skill points and branch off into something else.


When they thought rapid reload had to high of skill multiplyer they modified the skill and reduced it and refunded skill point's.

When they nerfed the flaylock/contact grenades they offered no SP reimbursement or even Aurum.

It's best to look upon those skill's that collect dust as Photograph's of your old DUST time's... eventually it may be popular again ;)

I never wanted the gallente AR .. it's just that they hadn't added the basic content of the caldari variant .. sorry but 1 year is way too long to be sitting around using militia weapons .. this is basic content we are talking about, this isn;t anything to do with nerfing or buffing ...

I keep going back to the heavy suit argument .. 1 suit for 1 year .. are you saying heavies shouldn;t have used any sp and still shouldnt have used any of that sp because they are missing the other 3 racial variants of their suits ?

We are talking about the basics here ... CCP have until 1.8 to give an sp refund for the AR or im out of here .. i'm not going to continue playing a game that punishes you for actually playing it ... maybe everyone should just stop playing until all the basic content is added ?

In fact why on earth did CCP release a game with so much basic stuff missing ? There is still no ETA on the heavy or scout suit variants ...

EVE never had 99% of the thing's you see on it now when it started either... they got added... we where supposed to get the Jovian's as a fifth race and never did... and won't.

I want jet bikes and i could save all my SP waiting for their eventual addition to the game or i could do what you did and skill into what's available...

Having a game developer continue to add thing's to a game that you want to grind SP and skill into is a blessing regardless if there is a skill tree or SP you would rather re-allocate for.. instead of what you had prior...

That isn't how New Eden has ever ran. and hope it doesn't

What makes every EVE pilot and DUST merc different is the skills we have and maybe even the mistakes we made along the way of getting them.

Not having a bunch of cookie cutter merc's with the best Skills/Items mathematically possible and setup for the FOTM...

TL;DR Not a full respec request just an SP refund as and when you add the other racial variants .. if its just AR variants then refund the SP skilled into the AR/ScR if its just scout suits then refund the sp invested in the scout suit variants ..

Here's an interesting thought about respecs -- it ain't gonna happen.

So stop making threads about 'em.

Im not interested in FOTM .. i'm a Caldari RPer which is impossible to do because CCP wont introduce the fcking basic content

1.8 ... if all the racial variants aren't added along with a respec by then this game is being taken off my ps3 and I'll go back to playing Dark Souls and await the addition of Dark Souls 2 and the new Command and Conquer online game for the PC

Role players have less need for a respec. Immortal clone technology is only about a year old and the corporations are rushing to get new products to the market. As a Minmatar loyalist and dropship pilot In training I'd love a ship from a tribal corporation. They don't exist yet so I chose to fly Caldari. Just because a Matari ship hits the market it doesn't mean I forget how to fly Caldari. In some situations the Caldari model might perform better and I can chose to use it instead.

The same goes for my rifle. Eventually I'll get to a decent skill level in all rifles but the combat rifle will be my standard fit, especially when I get access to faction warfare specialist models.

we all knew the new weapons were coming a month(s) ahead of time,enough time to save up for them.Hell i can prof 4 one of them day one right now(would be stupid of me) just saving for half a month with no boosters and just capping.

To be honest as someone who is anti respec i have to agree with this any time where new raicial varients get introduced the place holder should be removed and sp of the place holder only should be given back to the character to invest in the raceial varient he or she wanted, place holders are things like the AR, shotgun, SMG, sniper rifle, massdriver, forge gun, swarm launcher, heavy suit, scout suit, tanks.............................

Ok pretty much every thing except for the logi and assualt suit are place holders but the refund should only happen for the place holder effected and when it happens this is so people cant just respec to the new FOTM every time this needs to happen as once you make up your mind about what you want your stuck with it.

To be honest as someone who is anti respec i have to agree with this any time where new raicial varients get introduced the place holder should be removed and sp of the place holder only should be given back to the character to invest in the raceial varient he or she wanted, place holders are things like the AR, shotgun, SMG, sniper rifle, massdriver, forge gun, swarm launcher, heavy suit, scout suit, tanks.............................

Ok pretty much every thing except for the logi and assualt suit are place holders but the refund should only happen for the place holder effected and when it happens this is so people cant just respec to the new FOTM every time this needs to happen as once you make up your mind about what you want your stuck with it.

respeccing one by one is beating around the bush, do a full respec or not at all.

It's for this very reason I use the heavy dren suit. I'm not putting a point anywhere till racial variants have dropped. Oh CCP, when will you learn a 10 year plan was always a bad idea. It may have worked on PC but it won't work here.

Even if you don't cap every week, it wouldn't take that long to get to proto on a new gun when you get 800k SP a month for doing nothing.

Respec's are a bad idea for one reason alone. If they do it for Combat/Rail Rifles, people will want them at every new content release, and giving it for the rifles would set precedent.

The only time i see a SP refund being appropriate is if a skill is removed from the game for whatever reason.

The best system i can see for respec's, if CCP ever does decide to allow them, would be a once a year timer on them. I would be ok with that just to keep the game fresh for people who want to go another way. Respec's triggered by changes to the game are a serious pitfall for CCP.

Yep console games are all about the here and now. If its not here now it's not worth talking about. Honestly with how much CCP changes things how can we ever believe that things will get implemented?
I can't believe eve is so popular and has such a huge player base with how ccp does things.

Here's an interesting thought about respecs -- it ain't gonna happen.

So stop making threads about 'em.

Even if you don't cap every week, it wouldn't take that long to get to proto on a new gun when you get 800k SP a month for doing nothing.

Respec's are a bad idea for one reason alone. If they do it for Combat/Rail Rifles, people will want them at every new content release, and giving it for the rifles would set precedent.

The only time i see a SP refund being appropriate is if a skill is removed from the game for whatever reason.

The best system i can see for respec's, if CCP ever does decide to allow them, would be a once a year timer on them. I would be ok with that just to keep the game fresh for people who want to go another way. Respec's triggered by changes to the game are a serious pitfall for CCP.

I do agree with the SP refund once all the racial weapons are out and finalized. Just on light-weapons when they come out and when the suits come out to have refunds for them. Because if a person is wanting to get into the Caldari, Gallente or Minmatar heavy why would they want to spec into the Amarr heavy as well ? .. It is a bit unfair for those who can't spec into the things that they wanted too before. Soo a refund is a great option. To make it even more fair they should give the option to get a refund ONCE. That goes for a Respec as well, let everybody have the option to do one more if they so choose.

I don't want the AR skill and just want my SR but I couldn't before so thats wasted SP. Refund is the best option and CCP should listen to this badger !!! or I will dig in your gardens, eat your farm animal and poop on your doorstep.

Are we asking for a respec ? have you read this thread , or did you just read the title and place a comment you noob . yes i did do a background check on you before placing this comment . do yourself a favour and re read what this thread is about or go hide behind another faceless alt you freak ......

First of all, I've been playing dust for about 4 months now, and I've ben playing Eve for 5 years, so I understand the issues with refunding SP. I doubt that counts as being a noob. Your noob comment is very small of you. Yes I did read the post, and it is clearly about refunding SP, so I think my comment applies. This is not an alt, this is my main. You should know that since ive killed you more than a few times in game. As for the freak comment. I will forgive it, because most likely you are the faceless freak in real life.

Even if you don't cap every week, it wouldn't take that long to get to proto on a new gun when you get 800k SP a month for doing nothing.

Respec's are a bad idea for one reason alone. If they do it for Combat/Rail Rifles, people will want them at every new content release, and giving it for the rifles would set precedent.

The only time i see a SP refund being appropriate is if a skill is removed from the game for whatever reason.

The best system i can see for respec's, if CCP ever does decide to allow them, would be a once a year timer on them. I would be ok with that just to keep the game fresh for people who want to go another way. Respec's triggered by changes to the game are a serious pitfall for CCP.