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Samantha Hunyz
Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:25:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Some numbers: Old: Duvolle: 467.5 - Effective range: 78 - Clip size: 60 ASCR: 466.5 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 72 New: Assault Combat Rifle: 464 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 64 Assault Rail Rifle: 471.9 - Effective range: 102 - Clip size: 42 Note: Rail Rifle has 0.25 charge up time, dropping the DPS to 353.25 for the first second. Some facts: ARR has extremely tight hip fire ASCR has tighter hip fire than duvolle ACR is going to be very accurate according to wolfman on IRC ACR has -5% against shields and +10% against armor. It is the only AR with non symmetrical damage application model. My analysis: Judging from these numbers, Duvolle is the weakest in the package. Yes ARR has charge up time, but the thing has 102 effective range for cats sake. It also hits like a brick. And laser rifle is going to be useless So the rail hits almost as hard as the thale - 3 damage, with a quicker charge up than the charge sniper with only 321.86 damage rpm 50. These numbers are insane. All these new variants need to be reduced drastically.
CCP accomplished two of their goals with this. Introduced all racial ARs and Killed snipping, which is now better with damping and the rail.
When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1001
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:46:00 -
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Usually major fights are inside large socket, within AR effective range, i don't think the AR will become useless. Some changes should be applied to the SCR because hip fire is too accurate. The 2 new rifles seem good, but i want to see them in action. With this diversity, i hope the will adjust aspects of these rifles, in order to make : the AR the best for short fights the CR good but not the best between short and medium range fights the SR good but not the best between medium and long range fights the RR the best for long ranged fights
"Just another piece of duct tape"
Some love for gunners
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
270
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:46:00 -
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Samantha Hunyz wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Some numbers: Old: Duvolle: 467.5 - Effective range: 78 - Clip size: 60 ASCR: 466.5 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 72 New: Assault Combat Rifle: 464 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 64 Assault Rail Rifle: 471.9 - Effective range: 102 - Clip size: 42 Note: Rail Rifle has 0.25 charge up time, dropping the DPS to 353.25 for the first second. Some facts: ARR has extremely tight hip fire ASCR has tighter hip fire than duvolle ACR is going to be very accurate according to wolfman on IRC ACR has -5% against shields and +10% against armor. It is the only AR with non symmetrical damage application model. My analysis: Judging from these numbers, Duvolle is the weakest in the package. Yes ARR has charge up time, but the thing has 102 effective range for cats sake. It also hits like a brick. And laser rifle is going to be useless So the rail hits almost as hard as the thale - 3 damage, with a quicker charge up than the charge sniper with only 321.86 damage rpm 50. These numbers are insane. All these new variants need to be reduced drastically. CCP accomplished two of their goals with this. Introduced all racial ARs and Killed snipping, which is now better with damping and the rail. You realize the range on the RR is 102m? Good for you if you snipe within that range, few do. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
3891
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:49:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Some numbers: Old: Duvolle: 467.5 - Effective range: 78 - Clip size: 60 ASCR: 466.5 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 72 New: Assault Combat Rifle: 464 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 64 Assault Rail Rifle: 471.9 - Effective range: 102 - Clip size: 42 Note: Rail Rifle has 0.25 charge up time, dropping the DPS to 353.25 for the first second. Some facts: ARR has extremely tight hip fire ASCR has tighter hip fire than duvolle ACR is going to be very accurate according to wolfman on IRC ACR has -5% against shields and +10% against armor. It is the only AR with non symmetrical damage application model. My analysis: Judging from these numbers, Duvolle is the weakest in the package. Yes ARR has charge up time, but the thing has 102 effective range for cats sake. It also hits like a brick. And laser rifle is going to be useless Duvolle is fully automatic with no charge Up and takes not that much on PG/CPU (Vs ASCR). Duvolle has no recoil and spread. I think they're all pretty balanced each others. But all of these are damn ****** up and will be ******* OP. Duvolle and ASCR is already totally OP since hit detection and kill everybody in 2-3 sec MAX with bad aim...... Aim assist is totally abused. And the 2 new weapons are maded to be balanced against Duvolle and ASCR.....so they will also be OP.... The DPS is damn too high. (Seriously 450/500 of DPS WITHOUT damager or proficiency) means killing an Heavy or a fully tanked player in 3 sec..... The actual DPS just killed the "tanking" meaning..... Actually ASCR takes more PG and less CPU, they are equal in that regard. Duvolle has more recoil than ASCR.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Samantha Hunyz
Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day
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Posted - 2013.11.22 18:56:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Samantha Hunyz wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Some numbers: Old: Duvolle: 467.5 - Effective range: 78 - Clip size: 60 ASCR: 466.5 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 72 New: Assault Combat Rifle: 464 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 64 Assault Rail Rifle: 471.9 - Effective range: 102 - Clip size: 42 Note: Rail Rifle has 0.25 charge up time, dropping the DPS to 353.25 for the first second. Some facts: ARR has extremely tight hip fire ASCR has tighter hip fire than duvolle ACR is going to be very accurate according to wolfman on IRC ACR has -5% against shields and +10% against armor. It is the only AR with non symmetrical damage application model. My analysis: Judging from these numbers, Duvolle is the weakest in the package. Yes ARR has charge up time, but the thing has 102 effective range for cats sake. It also hits like a brick. And laser rifle is going to be useless So the rail hits almost as hard as the thale - 3 damage, with a quicker charge up than the charge sniper with only 321.86 damage rpm 50. These numbers are insane. All these new variants need to be reduced drastically. CCP accomplished two of their goals with this. Introduced all racial ARs and Killed snipping, which is now better with damping and the rail. You realize the range on the RR is 102m? Good for you if you snipe within that range, few do. Many if not all the new maps require those ranges if you plan on being a halfway effective sniper as is. It is either get close with decent damping or camp away from the action and hope to pick up a stray or two. Still a **** move from CCP designed to kill sniping.
When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
458
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:15:00 -
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I may be wrong but at 102m you are doing 30% of the RR DMG - At 78m you do 100% DMG
So if you have an AR and fight an RR at this distance, dont QQ that the Rail is owning you.
Another notion I am seeing thrown around is that the increased optimal range on the AScR means that using it up close it will not be as effective (similar to the Laser rifle). I dont think this is true. Optimal range for these rifles are 0 to stated range - is my analysis correct? |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1906
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:19:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Shouldn't you be comparing the primary version of each weapon family? The assault variant is supposed to be a weak copy of the Gallente Assault Rifle. Then you'd have to compare the breach AR to the rail rifle. The TAC to the ScR. And the burst to the CR. The only weapon that seems comparable is the burst rifle, because as of right now, the other AR varients suck while the AScR is just as good as the AR.
Actually, I was thinking Scrambler (Tactical), to Combat Rifle (Burst), to Rail Rifle (Breach) to the Assault Rifle. When I'm done with work I'll do my own numbers unless someone beats me to it. I know each has a different method of operation but the primary variant for each race should have the best damage output.
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SGT NOVA STAR
EoN.
116
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:20:00 -
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wen its all said and done, people will still use the duvolle, why? because it works, look at the SR, everybody used it for a couple weeks, but now for every 5 duvolle kills i see, i only see 1 SR kill.
Been hunting Graboids in my Kubera since 2012
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Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
214
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:22:00 -
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ERMAGHERRRRRD ARRRR IS DYIIIIIIIINNNNNNGGGG!!!!!!
well..... took long enough ;)
Ar will still dominate on the range it is supposed to dominate, and it will still be THE PC weapon, for every PC map is a compound, unless its one of those very rare ties where it's actually the bridge map.
Don't go crazy about numbers, on paper the ASCR has always dominated against AR. Well pick one up and see what happens.
CCP should give out free weed to everyone who picks up Dust, seems like people go crazy by playing it....
another one bites the Dust...
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1261
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:24:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Kinda sad that the weapon with the lowest range doesnt really have any advantages.
yes it does. It costs much less, and fits good. It also, comes in a fully automatic form in its basic variant. where as the others cost more and have no basic full auto variant.
the AR will work like a breach AR (which no one uses) the assault combat like an SMG but per shot damage is low.
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I am a Defender of the downtroddenSoon you will discover justice
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The Terminator T-1000
The Praetorian Legionary
60
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:29:00 -
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How would the RR perform at close range? Lets say at 40 m, would it be better to use AR or RR? |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
225
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:29:00 -
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While the dps and range stats are all good this is in theory, we dont know about the way they handle at least we dont have a proper way of judging it yet while one weapon may put out the most DPS it could have spread ,recoil, terrible sights or even terrible hip fire compared to the normal AR which has and possibly about to be had very tight hip fire making it one of the most danagerous gun in CQC |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
803
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:44:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Kinda sad that the weapon with the lowest range doesnt really have any advantages. Pretty much. The AR nerf brigade got what they wanted. The AR is now useless, though I bet they didn't expect CCP to make even better AR's to do that :P not as useless as lr |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
325
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Posted - 2013.11.22 20:25:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Some numbers:
Old: Duvolle: 467.5 - Effective range: 78 - Clip size: 60 ASCR: 466.5 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 72
New: Assault Combat Rifle: 464 - Effective range: 84 - Clip size: 64 Assault Rail Rifle: 471.9 - Effective range: 102 - Clip size: 42 Note: Rail Rifle has 0.25 charge up time, dropping the DPS to 353.25 for the first second.
Some facts: ARR has extremely tight hip fire ASCR has tighter hip fire than duvolle ACR is going to be very accurate according to wolfman on IRC ACR has -5% against shields and +10% against armor. It is the only AR with non symmetrical damage application model.
My analysis: Judging from these numbers, Duvolle is the weakest in the package. Yes ARR has charge up time, but the thing has 102 effective range for cats sake. It also hits like a brick.
The ACR has around a third less damage in each clip, and much less total ammo damage, than the other rifles. The range is reasonable and second highest DPS (after ScR) once you factor in the damage model. But I expect the standard CR will be a better option as its damage per clip and total ammo damage are better (though still on the low side). The ARR is trash - same clip size and total ammo as the standard variant, but less damage per round. It also has an ironsight, which is criminal for a weapon with that range. The standard version of the RR, by contrast, has a lot of damage in the clip and in total plus better sights. TL;DR the standard variants are probably better than the assault variants.
Big thing i'm concerned about with the RR is the feel of the spool up mechanic and how big a disadvantage that may put you in closer in fights. The raw numbers tell a large part of the story but until i can get a feel for the new weapons and get a subjective opinion.
For context, I am really looking forward to the Rail Rifle to continue to build my Caldari ensemble and will likely put a fair amount of SP into it barring it being complete trash. However, based on my initial hands on and info gathered from players I trust that will govern how much of my banked SP goes to it or where it falls into my skill plan.
My initial impression is that I will end up putting a fair amount of SP into it (Proto / Prof / Ammo capacity) but I'll allocate some additional SP to my SMG to shore up my short game so to speak.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
3900
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:02:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Kinda sad that the weapon with the lowest range doesnt really have any advantages. Pretty much. The AR nerf brigade got what they wanted. The AR is now useless, though I bet they didn't expect CCP to make even better AR's to do that :P not as useless as lr PLC is more effective than LR so...
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
271
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:04:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Kinda sad that the weapon with the lowest range doesnt really have any advantages. yes it does. It costs much less, and fits good. It also, comes in a fully automatic form in its basic variant. where as the others cost more and have no basic full auto variant. the AR will work like a breach AR (which no one uses) the assault combat like an SMG but per shot damage is low. Breach AR - 373 DPS - 48m optimal range Breach RR - 349 DPS for first second, 465 DPS thereafter - 78m optimal range
Can you see why people who wouldn't use the breach AR will use the RR? |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
881
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:26:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Kinda sad that the weapon with the lowest range doesnt really have any advantages. yes it does. It costs much less, and fits good. It also, comes in a fully automatic form in its basic variant. where as the others cost more and have no basic full auto variant. the AR will work like a breach AR (which no one uses) the assault combat like an SMG but per shot damage is low. Cant wait to "fit" my enemies to death and throw my spare change to finish them off. |
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