I think people in red line should not be rewarded points for kills, because they are not contributing to match nor trying, which I think is a big problem that ccp should look at. It would prevent a lot of redline sniping also rail tanking. It would push the battle to the objective instead of people hiding in the red line just to get kills. I think this behaviour should be punished not rewarded.

Also, what does it matter if they contribute? It's not winning that matters; it's making a profit.

This attitude is the problem, and unfortunately CCP has yet to make the needed changes to change these players minds and make winning valuable.

If CCP really wants to make all players participate in battles they need to:

Boost the rewards for winning.

Decrease the rewards for loosing.

and remove rewards for those sitting in the red-line. Heck I'll take it a step farther. You should have a 15 second timer in your own red-line as well. Stay in it too long and you die. Yep. No sitting in the red-line for anyone. Its a safe spawn point, not a safe place to play a match from after all.

But what happens when your team gets pushed all the way back, otherwise known as "redlined"?

The removal of WP for points gained in the redline can completely deny a squad the one Precision Strike needed to make a good comeback.

You are a great merc. +1 o7

even if I can't AFK anymore this will make Dust great again.

This attitude is the problem, and unfortunately CCP has yet to make the needed changes to change these players minds and make winning valuable.

If CCP really wants to make all players participate in battles they need to:

Boost the rewards for winning.

Decrease the rewards for loosing.

and remove rewards for those sitting in the red-line. Heck I'll take it a step farther. You should have a 15 second timer in your own red-line as well. Stay in it too long and you die. Yep. No sitting in the red-line for anyone. Its a safe spawn point, not a safe place to play a match from after all.

This attitude is the problem, and unfortunately CCP has yet to make the needed changes to change these players minds and make winning valuable.

If CCP really wants to make all players participate in battles they need to:

Boost the rewards for winning.

Decrease the rewards for loosing.

and remove rewards for those sitting in the red-line. Heck I'll take it a step farther. You should have a 15 second timer in your own red-line as well. Stay in it too long and you die. Yep. No sitting in the red-line for anyone. Its a safe spawn point, not a safe place to play a match from after all.

I think people in red line should not be rewarded points for kills, because they are not contributing to match nor trying, which I think is a big problem that ccp should look at. It would prevent a lot of redline sniping also rail tanking. It would push the battle to the objective instead of people hiding in the red line just to get kills. I think this behaviour should be punished not rewarded.

In a match yesterday I noticed that half of my team, yep half, was sniping. This was causing the rest of us to have very little ability to affect the battle. In response to this heinous affront to my need to win I ordered my squad to each find a sniper and stand in front of them, thus denying them ability to snipe. The heathens must learn the error of their ways.

So I found my self a nice looking sniper, akira fireteam, and proceeded to follow him around for a while. He kept trying to move but I would just move myself right back in front of him.

After a while he mailed me.

Subject: how **** off before
Message: I fuk u over

Entertained by his poor grammar and command of standard English's spelling conventions I informed him that the price to snipe this match was 1 million isk and I'd leave him alone once I recieved the money (money earmarked for the mercs whose games were ruined by too many snipers fund).

He failed to pay and I kept standing infront of him the rest of the match, with a brief window of time I had to find him again him after he was, ironically, sniped while I was standing in his way.

If you decrease the rewards for losing then a person that gets put on a losing team starts losing Money and equipment. So, eventually they will not be able to win because of lack of funds/equipment. And if you molon labe guys ever got redlined with the 15 second timer on as you suggested then you would whine about that. You got a problem with tanks, you pull out tanks or av. You got a problem with redline snipers, pull out your sniper fit and countersnipe. If you are standing still long enough that you get sniped, that is your fault. If you get sniped while moving or in a gunfight then I applaud the sniper for his skill and timing. As far as afkers in the redline, they are no use to anyone

This attitude is the problem, and unfortunately CCP has yet to make the needed changes to change these players minds and make winning valuable.

If CCP really wants to make all players participate in battles they need to:

Boost the rewards for winning.

Decrease the rewards for loosing.

and remove rewards for those sitting in the red-line. Heck I'll take it a step farther. You should have a 15 second timer in your own red-line as well. Stay in it too long and you die. Yep. No sitting in the red-line for anyone. Its a safe spawn point, not a safe place to play a match from after all.

so if a team gets redlined they are all forced to quit. great idea, OP.

1/10

First off, it was not an insult. Just saying that if you and anyone in your corp that agreed with you on the 15 seconds behind your own redline and you die got affected by it then you would whine.

Secondly, you can't tell me that people who were always on winning teams wouldn't always proto stomp. It's happening now in pubs and fws. A duvolle would destroy a person using a malitia ar or even a gek. Don't get me wrong, you can still kill people that proto stomp but it is significantly harder.

All I'm saying is if a team had the misfortune of losing because of blueberries then they may get to a point where they wouldn't be able to be as effective. And for the record, I don't think a whole squad should snipe. I'm talking two people at most for support. If ccp put more emphasis on winning instead of getting a butload of wp for killing that would fix a lot of the problem.

Bad idea. Pub stomps as prominent as they are people are forced into the redline quite often. This would make a lot of people just quit because they would then be incapable of even trying to deny someone a few isk while their team is pushed back. A lone player is generally no match for a full squad. As a pistol scout at most i can take 3 proto's if they can be separated or 4 basic units if i'm playing hit and run or something but penalizing a person for being in their deployment would just be a dumb idea.