DUST Search - The two issues with the Plasma Cannon

DeadlyAztec11 wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

It's made for Gallente Suits, you know the suits that get the CPU/PG reduction bonus, go figure.

Also you don't need a light suit to be good with a plasma cannon, if you have to use a light suit then somethings greatly wrong.

Most of your issues sound like it's because you're not using the Gallente Assault, don't have the Plasma cannon Optimization skill (reduces 5% per level) or are just bad a fitting....also a bonus option would be just poor core skills in general.

That's where you make assumptions and are wrong.

Remember when I talked about quick medium suits with Ferroscale and biotics? Well, I was referencing the Gallante Assault.
That said, the actual suit is not good for combat with the Plasma Cannon. If you tank heavily than you are too slow to be effective in CQC. With a heavily tanked suit, you fire and miss; you dead sucker. With a quick suit, you run away and survive.

This is just my opinion with this weapon. How have you experienced this weapon?

Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

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DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2182	Posted - 2013.11.22 03:47:00 - [1] - Quote It's not damage, it's not the reload, it's not even the projectile speed. The issue with the Plasma Cannon is that it is meant for quick suits, so either medium suits that have to use Ferroscale armor and biotics or scout suits. A light suit must be used because the Plasma Cannon = The baby of an RPG & Shotgun. But the amount of CPU is too damn high! It also makes it hard to use any damage mods. Also makes it difficult to get a high tier secondary, and with a Plasma Cannon, you will use your secondary A LOT! Second issue: There is little reason to skill up for higher tier weapons. True that the reload bonus, charge bonus and damage proficiency are great, though, the actual weapons differ little. Though the CPU gets even higher, to more than 100 CPU! That is a freakin' lot for a scout suit. The damage difference between standard and proto is any more than 300 points of damage. I think that what should happen is that at advanced, you should get to fire two shots before reloading, then at proto three shots. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2964	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:39:00 - [2] - Quote It's made for Gallente Suits, you know the suits that get the CPU/PG reduction bonus, go figure. Also you don't need a light suit to be good with a plasma cannon, if you have to use a light suit then somethings greatly wrong. Most of your issues sound like it's because you're not using the Gallente Assault, don't have the Plasma cannon Optimization skill (reduces 5% per level) or are just bad a fitting....also a bonus option would be just poor core skills in general.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 855	Posted - 2013.11.22 05:53:00 - [3] - Quote Then why are the best Plasma Cannon suits the Amarr Logi and Commando. Neither of those are light frames. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2966	Posted - 2013.11.22 06:17:00 - [4] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Then why are the best Plasma Cannon suits the Amarr Logi and Commando. Neither of those are light frames. You can't say "the best" then include two just because they are good at it. If that was the case you'd have to include other suits that can handle the weapon decently as well. Get your logic together before speaking.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 656	Posted - 2013.11.22 06:54:00 - [5] - Quote It's mostly an issue with the scout suit. We don't get any CPU, so PLC while attractive will break an otherwise good fit. The biggest issues with PLC imo is delay in switching to secondary weapon after firing it, and phantom shot glitch - the one that insta fires, does no damage and leaves you with an empty chamber when you thought you had a round in it. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 856	Posted - 2013.11.22 08:15:00 - [6] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Then why are the best Plasma Cannon suits the Amarr Logi and Commando. Neither of those are light frames. You can't say "the best" then include two just because they are good at it. If that was the case you'd have to include other suits that can handle the weapon decently as well. Get your logic together before speaking. The Amarr Logi can have a Plasma Cannon, an SMG, an Active Scanner, a Nanohive, and 3 damage mods. No other suit besides the Recruiter Assault C-II can do this. If Plasma Cannon specialization is the goal, I can't think of a better suit than the Amarr Logi. The Commando is a great Plasma Cannon Suit because it can easily make up for the Cannons weaknesses with another light weapon. While it loses out on a scanner or nanohive, the ability to slap a 'Gek' on it is the main reason I consider this suit to be the second best Plasma Cannon suit. I wouldn't even consider a suit without a nanohive(equipment slot)/sidearm to even be viable for this list. While it is possible to go without a sidearm as Ghazbaran does, there are far better suits for using Plasma Cannons. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2188	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:12:00 - [7] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: It's made for Gallente Suits, you know the suits that get the CPU/PG reduction bonus, go figure. Also you don't need a light suit to be good with a plasma cannon, if you have to use a light suit then somethings greatly wrong. Most of your issues sound like it's because you're not using the Gallente Assault, don't have the Plasma cannon Optimization skill (reduces 5% per level) or are just bad a fitting....also a bonus option would be just poor core skills in general. That's where you make assumptions and are wrong. Remember when I talked about quick medium suits with Ferroscale and biotics? Well, I was referencing the Gallante Assault. That said, the actual suit is not good for combat with the Plasma Cannon. If you tank heavily than you are too slow to be effective in CQC. With a heavily tanked suit, you fire and miss; you dead sucker. With a quick suit, you run away and survive. This is just my opinion with this weapon. How have you experienced this weapon? Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 465	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:13:00 - [8] - Quote The gallente logi with the plasma cannon is awesome too to hold the enemy off of certain places while still providing logi support.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2188	Posted - 2013.11.22 10:15:00 - [9] - Quote RKKR wrote: The gallente logi with the plasma cannon is awesome too to hold the enemy off of certain places while still providing logi support. True, but you can slap just about anything on a Logi suit to provide support. I occasionally slap the Nova Knives on my Minmatar Logi. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 809	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:11:00 - [10] - Quote two issues? there several bugs that plague the PLC. if you do not encounter then you are just not that good and not trying to get the most out of the PLC. nonregistering splash damage(happens frequently on uneven terrain past 1 splash range) reloading without reloading (rare) instant shots that deal no dmg (not so rare) projectile flying through suits dealing no damage (very rare)

The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 68	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:27:00 - [11] - Quote Commando's reload speed bonus is incredible with PlC, stack it with rapid reload skill for yet more incredibleness. Still, lots of issues and bugs still to be sorted, as mentioned above.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 998	Posted - 2013.11.22 11:39:00 - [12] - Quote PLC need burning damage, if i hit you with the splash damage, you should burn for a few seconds, if i hit you with the direct hit and you are not dead, you should burn for a little more. Higher tier long lasting effect. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Eversor Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 107	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:04:00 - [13] - Quote As many before me have already said, the problems lie mostly in bugs. I'd love to run a viable scout suit with a PLC simply because speed complements my playstyle with it. But as it currently stands, Amarr logi is too good to pass up. Also, there should be more incentive to use Alloteks than a meager damage bonus. Overall though, I'm happy how the weapon currently performs if you don't take the bugs into account.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 324	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:44:00 - [14] - Quote The plasma cannon is actually really good on Gallente assault and logi suits. Not only does the assault bonus reduce its CPU usage, armour tanking requires a lot more PG than CPU so it's not as hard to fit on a fully armour tanked suit. And don't forget you need to have light weapon operation level 4 to use it, so it automatically gets a 12% reduction to CPU usage. I haven't had any difficulty in fitting a KLA on my Assault G/1-Series with damage mods. And it works very well for point defence and medium range combat. Also, the CPU usage actually gets better as you go up tiers when compared to other weapons. Plasma cannons CPU usage through its tiers goes 71 - 98 - 117 whereas an Assault rifles CPU usage goes 23 - 47 - 90. The CPU usage of the PLC is 1.6 times more from standard to proto, whereas the CPU usage of the AR is 4 times more from standard to proto. And that measly increase in damage is present in every weapon in the game. Every weapon except forge guns, LRs, knives and Swarms has the same increase in damage. STD to ADV is a 5% increase. STD to PRO is a 10% increase. I'm not saying the Plasma Cannon doesn't have problems, but the one's you pointed out aren't significant when compared to the other glitches it faces on a day to day basis. 'Insert witty signature here'
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 668	Posted - 2013.11.22 13:14:00 - [15] - Quote I use gall logo. Links in the signature for proof that scout isn't the only play style. The weapon is severely bugged on top of everything it doesn't do its full damage half the time and too many time do I see it do 50 out of the 435 it should be count to shields. Once these issues are fixed I'm pretty sure we will really sure what needs to he done in more detail to make it competitive. Plasma Cannon Advocate
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2189	Posted - 2013.11.22 13:57:00 - [16] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: two issues? there several bugs that plague the PLC. if you do not encounter then you are just not that good and not trying to get the most out of the PLC. nonregistering splash damage(happens frequently on uneven terrain past 1m splash range) reloading without reloading (rare) instant shots that deal no dmg (not so rare) projectile flying through suits dealing no damage (very rare) Yeah, I should have been more specific, I meant intended mechanics. Another bug is the one where it doesn't shoot. Also the one where after you switch to another weapon, it switches back to the Plasma Cannon. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
GRUNT 78 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:10:00 - [17] - Quote Proto commando here. Love the plasma cannon,my reload speed works well with that weapon. Tbh my biggest concern is projectile speed. Someones great grand-father could EASILY avoid/bunny hop away from splash. Drives me nuts too. Now that I think about it,,the cpu/pg is pretty high is'nt it? COMMANDO'S,,,,,,HELP OUR CLASS!!!
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 561	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:47:00 - [18] - Quote Proto Amarr Logi here and I rock the plasma cannon. I tried the light suit thing but you're right, the CPU is hard to fit. I would suggest what Sgt. Kirk said and get your core skills and especially the cpu fitting op. of the PLC up to 5 stat. I have my fitting skills maxed and I have no problem what so ever fitting the PLC on any suit I want. There are a whole host of things wrong with my beloved PLC but the 2 issues you pointed out are not amongst them. Sorry. Join the chat channel "Cannon Fever" and squad up with other Plasmaniacs and we'll show you what's up. The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 266	Posted - 2013.11.22 17:50:00 - [19] - Quote Currently I'm liking the Calassault with a kincat on, some speed and enough tank imo Founder of the Cannon Fever chat channel for plasma cannon users, join now for fun plasma related times!
Athrak Kinz Valkyrian Armada 2	Posted - 2013.11.22 18:15:00 - [20] - Quote I think the PlC needs a little love, it's not a bad weapon in it's own right but hit detection (shots go through/ splash doesn't register) kills me more oft than not. Also on another note I think it could do with a buff, either on charge (negate charge up or make it holdable) OR projectile (increase speed/ plasma burn), I personally like that it arcs a lot of people seem to have a problem with it. A specialist variant for scouts/light frames would also be copacetic.

DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2193	Posted - 2013.11.22 19:33:00 - [21] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: Proto Amarr Logi here and I rock the plasma cannon. I tried the light suit thing but you're right, the CPU is hard to fit. I would suggest what Sgt. Kirk said and get your core skills and especially the cpu fitting op. of the PLC up to 5 stat. I have my fitting skills maxed and I have no problem what so ever fitting the PLC on any suit I want. There are a whole host of things wrong with my beloved PLC but the 2 issues you pointed out are not amongst them. Sorry. Join the chat channel "Cannon Fever" and squad up with other Plasmaniacs and we'll show you what's up. Already got CPU to level 3 and PG to level 2. Thanks, but I am not dedicated to the Plasma Cannon. I do everything except vehicles. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 657	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:28:00 - [22] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's made for Gallente Suits, you know the suits that get the CPU/PG reduction bonus, go figure. Also you don't need a light suit to be good with a plasma cannon, if you have to use a light suit then somethings greatly wrong. Most of your issues sound like it's because you're not using the Gallente Assault, don't have the Plasma cannon Optimization skill (reduces 5% per level) or are just bad a fitting....also a bonus option would be just poor core skills in general. That's where you make assumptions and are wrong. Remember when I talked about quick medium suits with Ferroscale and biotics? Well, I was referencing the Gallante Assault. That said, the actual suit is not good for combat with the Plasma Cannon. If you tank heavily than you are too slow to be effective in CQC. With a heavily tanked suit, you fire and miss; you dead sucker. With a quick suit, you run away and survive. This is just my opinion with this weapon. How have you experienced this weapon? I agree with you to an extent. I run PLC scout but it's just a carry over from the pre-AimBot update (?1.4). Right now speed tanking is dead, so a medium frame can often do better with PLC. Edit: In theory it would make sense for light suits to be glass cannons on meth where they dish out huge alpha damage and retreat quit to reload/get out of Dodge. So, PLS is a natural weapon for the light frame. However, Dust is a broken game with exceptionally poor balance, so things never work in a way that would make sense. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1669	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:34:00 - [23] - Quote Make it shoot straight and a little faster, and I'm good. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 657	Posted - 2013.11.23 04:43:00 - [24] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: two issues? there several bugs that plague the PLC. if you do not encounter then you are just not that good and not trying to get the most out of the PLC. nonregistering splash damage(happens frequently on uneven terrain past 1m splash range) reloading without reloading (rare) instant shots that deal no dmg (not so rare) projectile flying through suits dealing no damage (very rare) Instant shots are not that rare. They happen pretty reliably when you sprint at end of your reload. It cancels your reload animation right at the end but you do see 1 charge in the chamber at the end. But it's very decieving - you may or may not actually have a charge there (even though it says it's loaded) and frequently you will get that insta shot that deals no damage. At the end you can end up with a loaded chamber or empty chamber - that just depends. Since just about everyone sprints to run away after a shot this problem is common. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!


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