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Sleepy Shadow wrote:

Duran Lex wrote:

Sleepy Shadow wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

Nobody owns any BPOs anyway. We are all just leasing them from CCP until CCP takes them back (which they can do whenever they want, with or without warning). The magic of DRM, folks. You can't buy digital goods, only lease them, usually forever (but there are exceptions).

Eventually, Tranquillity will shut down and what then? Will you expect CCP to refund all the money you spent on Dust/EVE?

It makes no difference if itGÇÖs let or owned. BPOGÇÖs were let indefinitely, so if they are removed the contract is breached and CCP is liable to compensate. CCP can do whatever they want with the BPOGÇÖs, or any item in game, but it does not remove their liability to those who paid for them.

And discontinuing the development and support of a game is vastly different from just removing items from it.

The problem with your with your logic : CCP hasn't breached the contract.

Yes if they indeed breach the contract, legal action being taken is liable.

But they did not breach it.

Also just to let you know, you views on refunds are flawed in general. Refunds are only a guarantee if the provider of respective services gives you that guarantee. Refunds aren't some magical law that applies to any and all products.

No, they are not. You should do a bit more reading if you think so, European Consumer Centre is a good start. EULA cannot and will never supersede law.

CCP has breached the contract when they remove items that were sold as permanent. I bought an item in good faith and under the assumption that the item had certain effects and was permanent. When CCP changes this, which they are fully allowed to do, they are liable to compensate.

I suggest you start reading my posts from this one.

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And as stated in the EULA, they will not provide refunds on termination of any of their products or services. Meaning, you aren't entitled to a refund, ever. Even if you spent 5000$ on Dust 514 the day before they decide to scrap the whole game and stop services, you are screwed, for you accepted the terms of their contract.

And as I stated, discontinuing the development and support of a game is vastly different from just removing items from it. I have never said anyone is entitled to a compensation if CCP decides to stop developing and supporting this game.


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Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 390	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:43:00 - [1] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Nobody owns any BPOs anyway. We are all just leasing them from CCP until CCP takes them back (which they can do whenever they want, with or without warning). The magic of DRM, folks. You can't buy digital goods, only lease them, usually forever (but there are exceptions). Eventually, Tranquillity will shut down and what then? Will you expect CCP to refund all the money you spent on Dust/EVE? It makes no difference if itGÇÖs let or owned. BPOGÇÖs were let indefinitely, so if they are removed the contract is breached and CCP is liable to compensate. CCP can do whatever they want with the BPOGÇÖs, or any item in game, but it does not remove their liability to those who paid for them. And discontinuing the development and support of a game is vastly different from just removing items from it. The problem with your with your logic : CCP hasn't breached the contract. Yes if they indeed breach the contract, legal action being taken is liable. But they did not breach it. Also just to let you know, you views on refunds are flawed in general. Refunds are only a guarantee if the provider of respective services gives you that guarantee. Refunds aren't some magical law that applies to any and all products. And as stated in the EULA, they will not provide refunds on termination of any of their products or services. Meaning, you aren't entitled to a refund, ever. Even if you spent 5000$ on Dust 514 the day before they decide to scrap the whole game and stop services, you are screwed, for you accepted the terms of their contract.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 390	Posted - 2013.11.24 16:19:00 - [2] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Sleepy Shadow wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Nobody owns any BPOs anyway. We are all just leasing them from CCP until CCP takes them back (which they can do whenever they want, with or without warning). The magic of DRM, folks. You can't buy digital goods, only lease them, usually forever (but there are exceptions). Eventually, Tranquillity will shut down and what then? Will you expect CCP to refund all the money you spent on Dust/EVE? It makes no difference if itGÇÖs let or owned. BPOGÇÖs were let indefinitely, so if they are removed the contract is breached and CCP is liable to compensate. CCP can do whatever they want with the BPOGÇÖs, or any item in game, but it does not remove their liability to those who paid for them. And discontinuing the development and support of a game is vastly different from just removing items from it. The problem with your with your logic : CCP hasn't breached the contract. Yes if they indeed breach the contract, legal action being taken is liable. But they did not breach it. Also just to let you know, you views on refunds are flawed in general. Refunds are only a guarantee if the provider of respective services gives you that guarantee. Refunds aren't some magical law that applies to any and all products. No, they are not. You should do a bit more reading if you think so, European Consumer Centre is a good start. EULA cannot and will never supersede law. CCP has breached the contract when they remove items that were sold as permanent. I bought an item in good faith and under the assumption that the item had certain effects and was permanent. When CCP changes this, which they are fully allowed to do, they are liable to compensate. I suggest you start reading my posts from this one. Quote: And as stated in the EULA, they will not provide refunds on termination of any of their products or services. Meaning, you aren't entitled to a refund, ever. Even if you spent 5000$ on Dust 514 the day before they decide to scrap the whole game and stop services, you are screwed, for you accepted the terms of their contract. And as I stated, discontinuing the development and support of a game is vastly different from just removing items from it. I have never said anyone is entitled to a compensation if CCP decides to stop developing and supporting this game. You also bought those items under the pretense that "these items are subject to change at CCP's discretion". The product you purchased has changed, it no longer exists. Nothing was breached. You aren't liable to receive anything. CCP is taking the correct approach and refunding you for the amount that you payed for it, which was 4800 AUR per respective module. Edit - If CCP felt like it, they could remove every single module in the game, both AUR and ISK variants, and let you run around with empty suits. It seems to me your only gripe is that you aren't able to purchase and use certain "permanent" items, and trying to associate point of law with comparisons that have no contextual basis. They have every right to do what they did. If you feel otherwise, take legal action and I'll wish you the best of luck.