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Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Summ Dude wrote:

I was under the impression that logis gave up assault suit qualities in exchange for being extra good at supporting other suits. I still see no reason why the support character should out-tank or out-damage the assault character. The benefit of choosing them is supposed to be (at least in my understanding) those bonus equipment slots, solidifying their role as the support unit. Of course, the current logi suit bonuses don't really lend to this specifically, and I would also love to see them changed to be more beneficial to equipment use (something CCP has also said they'd like to do).

For the record, I'm also very for removing that 10% damage from weapons and giving assault suits your suggested bonus. I just don't see any actual logical reason the "healers" need to have more health than the frontline soldiers.

I'm obviously speaking out of bias towards logis. But from my perspective, the assaults would have less health, because 1. they can deal more damage, a fair trade off for less health, and 2. they have a logi to rep them up. The logi has no one to help him, save another logi. Thus, he gets more health, to make him able to survive, since if he goes down, there's no picking him up, save an assault having a needle, which takes away from some of his assault capability, or another logi, who needs to be able to survive long enough to pick the first logi back up.

Currently, logis are stepping on assault's toes, which is less about logis being too good, and assaults being too bad. This is why I feel assaults need a buff, and not a nerf to logis, because as a logibro, I enjoy my job, and I feel I'm in a place to do it well. Bringing down logis to curtail the slayerlogis hurts me as well as them. Therefore, why not bring assaults up to my level, which will make assaults better than slayerlogis at killing, and logibros get to keep on logibroing.

The only ones who lose out are those who invested in making a slayerlogi, and its only about 1.2 million skillpoints to get a proto assault suit, which is 2 weeks with boosters. Assaults get a buff, so theyre happy, logibros get to keep their suits and fits as they are, so they're happy, and the slayerlogis can suck it up for the 2-3 weeks it takes to get a proto assault suit, if they don't have one already.


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Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 252	Posted - 2013.11.22 09:14:00 - [1] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Mirror Assault and Logi stats+Slots and replace dumb rep bonus for Equipment based bonus. Logis being able to fit 1100 HP while still keeping 3 advanced equipment ain't balanced. Particularly when the other 2 med frames max out at 900. The sidearm means nothing when you both have such a massive mag and when your foe can just eat bullets like a champ. Well in one Point you are right a Logi can go up to 1100 Hp but then there is no room for Equipment. Having three Equipmentslot does not automatically mean you cann fill them. So what Do you get if you Tank a Logi to 1100HP? You get a Suit at the Speed of a heavy with slightly less HP than a (std) Heavy without acces to a Sidearm without PG to fit Equipment. By your Logic Heavies must SUPER Assaults
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 252	Posted - 2013.11.22 09:38:00 - [2] - Quote I would rather see a complete change of the Logi Suit. The Logi should be more fragile than a assault (so current eHP) The Logi should be at least as fast as an assault ( I think a bit faster is ok) because we need to be fast to get where the action takes when the action takes place. Keep Logis Equipment To compensate give one Logi Slot to Assaults. Reduce Logi CPU/PG maybe to 345/70 and give Equitmentskills a CPU/PG Reduction (maybe 2 or 3%) That way Logi could fullfill thier Role without the ability to outtank an Assault BTW: If you remove the light weapon for a Sidearm than remove the Equipmentslot from assaults as well.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 262	Posted - 2013.11.25 10:51:00 - [3] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: Why not just remove 1 low slot and 1 high slot Or change the armor rep bonus, that's why people prefer they don't have to waste armor slots on a repper Also it makes far more sense to make dmg mods incompatible in logis rather than remove weapons I could agree withe the Slot removal when. The Logi gets more speed (should be faster than assault) and all equipment skills would lower CPU/PG usage. That way logis would be weaker but they will be fast to get where they are needed and those who have specced into equipment will still be able to fit that equipment.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 271	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:37:00 - [4] - Quote Actually I really like the idea of removing the 10 % weapon buff and giving this bonus to assaults this would also help with the TTK situation a bit.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 275	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:56:00 - [5] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Summ Dude wrote: I was under the impression that logis gave up assault suit qualities in exchange for being extra good at supporting other suits. I still see no reason why the support character should out-tank or out-damage the assault character. The benefit of choosing them is supposed to be (at least in my understanding) those bonus equipment slots, solidifying their role as the support unit. Of course, the current logi suit bonuses don't really lend to this specifically, and I would also love to see them changed to be more beneficial to equipment use (something CCP has also said they'd like to do). For the record, I'm also very for removing that 10% damage from weapons and giving assault suits your suggested bonus. I just don't see any actual logical reason the "healers" need to have more health than the frontline soldiers. I'm obviously speaking out of bias towards logis. But from my perspective, the assaults would have less health, because 1. they can deal more damage, a fair trade off for less health, and 2. they have a logi to rep them up. The logi has no one to help him, save another logi. Thus, he gets more health, to make him able to survive, since if he goes down, there's no picking him up, save an assault having a needle, which takes away from some of his assault capability, or another logi, who needs to be able to survive long enough to pick the first logi back up. Currently, logis are stepping on assault's toes, which is less about logis being too good, and assaults being too bad. This is why I feel assaults need a buff, and not a nerf to logis, because as a logibro, I enjoy my job, and I feel I'm in a place to do it well. Bringing down logis to curtail the slayerlogis hurts me as well as them. Therefore, why not bring assaults up to my level, which will make assaults better than slayerlogis at killing, and logibros get to keep on logibroing. The only ones who lose out are those who invested in making a slayerlogi, and its only about 1.2 million skillpoints to get a proto assault suit, which is 2 weeks with boosters. Assaults get a buff, so theyre happy, logibros get to keep their suits and fits as they are, so they're happy, and the slayerlogis can suck it up for the 2-3 weeks it takes to get a proto assault suit, if they don't have one already. I agree full heartly. I think part of the problem is all believe its the assaults role to tank as much HP as possible but its not. The assault is there to go in fast strike hard and hope to survive until the logi is there to rep/revive him. The tanking part should be reserved for heavies. The problem is the Assault suit is not different from the basic suit = bad and assaults don't get any bonus that let them do their job better. There is no bonus to mobility and there is no bonus to damage both is stupid and both should be implemented as soon as possible.