DUST Search - 1.7 respec

Heavy Salvo wrote:

Tebu Gan wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Heavy Salvo wrote:

WELL insofar we have the Vehicle perspective although it seems as though you are quite upset he & the other pilots aren't looking at this from the infantry perspective and I'm assuming also disregarding the "free candy syndrome" you brought up at the beginning of this whole thing.

well then let me get your opinion on this,Saber, what exactly do you think is unfair in regards to a full respec in 1.7 from an infantry perspective?

I'm on the fence which is why Takahiro is sort of hurting the entire conversation because he's pushing me away from wanting to side with the respeccers because by his logic it would be far more effective to redesign the tree which I wont also argue but its an entirely seperate issue.

BS

Dont pin your indecisiveness on me because you are ******* useless

I havnt even mentioned about redesigning the tree, CCP has already done that if you paid attention which you obv ******* havnt

The vehicle tree has been completely redesigned if you didnt notice and because of that its more of an SP sink which means my 18mil into vehicles now will not go as far as in 1.7 so hence a full respec is needed

Anyone else who is skilled into even 1 part of the vehicle tree for just say a ADS might aswell give up not and go into full infantry like a few are doing because its more of an SP sink

Why the **** do i even bother, CPM blames anyone but themselves for being ******* useless

You make a valid, solid point. They did not inform us that they were making an even bigger SP sink. So now I will be half as effective with a tank as before. Or I can drop those tank points and go full on infantry, and be effective. But what I can't do is drop the infantry (which was a secondary path I took after getting my tanks to where I wanted them) and go full on tank.

It's a good point you make Takahiro. I've just read the rest of your posts and I'm right there with you. Vehicle users are getting the short end of the stick, and AV classes, and other infantry are getting beat with that stick.

This particular CPM Iron Wolf Saber, has been known to be illogical when something comes up that he can't full grasp. He has berated the community he is supposed to serve with oh wow, you are stupid, that can't work and I won't listen to you anymore rhetoric. Clearly, this fella has yet to reach adulthood. A small child could see the logic in what you were saying. This isn't the first time Iron Wolf Saber has acted the part of a total douche, and it won't be the last time. I for one am sick and tired of this CPM and his trolling.

It's clear, that he can't grasp the whole of what people are trying to illustrate. Instead he says, "oh great, now Sink is ruining this conversation", and because you used that word, you must be talking about redoing the skill tree. Tha ****. Are you really that stupid.

You are the one actually taking our ideas (that you can't begin to grasp) to CCP??

It's time you step the hell down buddy. You hurt most conversations you go into. Not the people but you Iron. Then you start threads ridiculing the people who have serious issues because you failed to grasp what was being said. And here you are doing it again. Well buddy, no help from me this time. I was pissed the first time, and held my cool. Now **** it, you clearly are not worth the time.

Validating the fact that the soon to be implemented vehicle skill trees increased SP values are ridiculous, Yes hes blowing off what their saying, but hes trying to discuss JUST the respec whereas as hes already mentioned and you should be aware of the vehicle skill trees issues cant simply be fixed with a full respec and would require a full redesign of the vehicle skill tree WHICH IS WHY he is refusing to discuss it any further, while your opinions and points are valid could we please just focus on the SP reset and/or ideas for a different method?


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Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 241	Posted - 2013.12.01 17:38:00 - [1] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just want to avoid the free candy addiction syndrome for the time being. Maybe when all the suits come out a free respec then. Id be pretty upset if we have a respec a month. We need one for christmas! Just a free, change of pace. Most people are bored and upset with the current progress. Offering one, until they can get more content out, won't hurt matters! I agree, they shouldn't be handed out like candy. But, in a game like this, respecs will do more good than harm at this point. And it's nearing the end of the year. People are bored, and tired of grinding out SP (most of us I think are). Content is a ways down the road, and a lot of people understand this. 6 months so far, and no new content. Many have made mistakes, and could be more effective if they were allowed to redo some SP. Which in turn equals fewer people complaining about Pub Stomp. ( not to mention the playerbase a respec has the potential to bring back, which will help with the awful matchmaking.) FotM, who cares. This is CCP's problem, for allowing the imbalances to run rampant. People should really quit blaming the players. They did the homework, and went with the strongest choice. To me, the strongest setup, is the smartest setup. Why the hell are you going to play with gimped toys? I feel no love for Fotm haters, their jealousy is becoming ridiculous. I understand, that we do have more weapons coming out with 1.7. But what I find unbalanced, is the fact that you won't be offering anyone a limited respec to go into one of the new rifles, over the AR that I'm so tired of seeing on the field. Why? That would ** me the hell off! All these weapons, that should have been here at the start of the game, now need to be ground out. Ugh. Just so very tired of this beta **. And hardly any progress to boot. You have a wonderful idea, and have poorly executed that idea. So many promises; trailers, blogs, the hype. Not a one of them have been realized. Hell, you completely started over with tanks, because there was too much "noise". Now 3 months later, half the games life, you are releasing the reworked tanks. And they still aren't even finished! Jesus, am I the only one that thinks we took a step backwards?? How many more months fixing the imbalances with just vehicles?? The future, looks bleak. And No, I don't want anymore promises. Results would be nice. Nuff Said
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 241	Posted - 2013.12.01 18:06:00 - [2] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Heavy Salvo wrote: WELL insofar we have the Vehicle perspective although it seems as though you are quite upset he & the other pilots aren't looking at this from the infantry perspective and I'm assuming also disregarding the "free candy syndrome" you brought up at the beginning of this whole thing. well then let me get your opinion on this,Saber, what exactly do you think is unfair in regards to a full respec in 1.7 from an infantry perspective? I'm on the fence which is why Takahiro is sort of hurting the entire conversation because he's pushing me away from wanting to side with the respeccers because by his logic it would be far more effective to redesign the tree which I wont also argue but its an entirely seperate issue. BS Dont pin your indecisiveness on me because you are ***** useless I havnt even mentioned about redesigning the tree, CCP has already done that if you paid attention which you obv *** havnt The vehicle tree has been completely redesigned if you didnt notice and because of that its more of an SP sink which means my 18mil into vehicles now will not go as far as in 1.7 so hence a full respec is needed Anyone else who is skilled into even 1 part of the vehicle tree for just say a ADS might aswell give up not and go into full infantry like a few are doing because its more of an SP sink Why the do i even bother, CPM blames anyone but themselves for being *** useless You make a valid, solid point. They did not inform us that they were making an even bigger SP sink. So now I will be half as effective with a tank as before. Or I can drop those tank points and go full on infantry, and be effective. But what I can't do is drop the infantry (which was a secondary path I took after getting my tanks to where I wanted them) and go full on tank. It's a good point you make Takahiro. I've just read the rest of your posts and I'm right there with you. Vehicle users are getting the short end of the stick, and AV classes, and other infantry are getting beat with that stick. This particular CPM Iron Wolf Saber, has been known to be illogical when something comes up that he can't full grasp. He has berated the community he is supposed to serve with oh wow, you are stupid, that can't work and I won't listen to you anymore rhetoric. Clearly, this fella has yet to reach adulthood. A small child could see the logic in what you were saying. This isn't the first time Iron Wolf Saber has acted the part of a total douche, and it won't be the last time. I for one am sick and tired of this CPM and his trolling. It's clear, that he can't grasp the whole of what people are trying to illustrate. Instead he says, "oh great, now Sink is ruining this conversation", and because you used that word, you must be talking about redoing the skill tree. Tha . Are you really that stupid. You are the one actually taking our ideas (that you can't begin to grasp) to CCP?? It's time you step the hell down buddy. You hurt most conversations you go into. Not the people but you Iron. Then you start threads ridiculing the people who have serious issues because you failed to grasp what was being said. And here you are doing it again. Well buddy, no help from me this time. I was pissed the first time, and held my cool. Now ** it, you clearly are not worth the time. Nuff Said
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 246	Posted - 2013.12.01 19:45:00 - [3] - Quote Heavy Salvo wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Heavy Salvo wrote: WELL insofar we have the Vehicle perspective although it seems as though you are quite upset he & the other pilots aren't looking at this from the infantry perspective and I'm assuming also disregarding the "free candy syndrome" you brought up at the beginning of this whole thing. well then let me get your opinion on this,Saber, what exactly do you think is unfair in regards to a full respec in 1.7 from an infantry perspective? I'm on the fence which is why Takahiro is sort of hurting the entire conversation because he's pushing me away from wanting to side with the respeccers because by his logic it would be far more effective to redesign the tree which I wont also argue but its an entirely seperate issue. BS Dont pin your indecisiveness on me because you are ***** useless I havnt even mentioned about redesigning the tree, CCP has already done that if you paid attention which you obv *** havnt The vehicle tree has been completely redesigned if you didnt notice and because of that its more of an SP sink which means my 18mil into vehicles now will not go as far as in 1.7 so hence a full respec is needed Anyone else who is skilled into even 1 part of the vehicle tree for just say a ADS might aswell give up not and go into full infantry like a few are doing because its more of an SP sink Why the do i even bother, CPM blames anyone but themselves for being *** useless You make a valid, solid point. They did not inform us that they were making an even bigger SP sink. So now I will be half as effective with a tank as before. Or I can drop those tank points and go full on infantry, and be effective. But what I can't do is drop the infantry (which was a secondary path I took after getting my tanks to where I wanted them) and go full on tank. It's a good point you make Takahiro. I've just read the rest of your posts and I'm right there with you. Vehicle users are getting the short end of the stick, and AV classes, and other infantry are getting beat with that stick. This particular CPM Iron Wolf Saber, has been known to be illogical when something comes up that he can't full grasp. He has berated the community he is supposed to serve with oh wow, you are stupid, that can't work and I won't listen to you anymore rhetoric. Clearly, this fella has yet to reach adulthood. A small child could see the logic in what you were saying. This isn't the first time Iron Wolf Saber has acted the part of a total douche, and it won't be the last time. I for one am sick and tired of this CPM and his trolling. It's clear, that he can't grasp the whole of what people are trying to illustrate. Instead he says, "oh great, now Sink is ruining this conversation", and because you used that word, you must be talking about redoing the skill tree. Tha . Are you really that stupid. You are the one actually taking our ideas (that you can't begin to grasp) to CCP?? It's time you step the hell down buddy. You hurt most conversations you go into. Not the people but you Iron. Then you start threads ridiculing the people who have serious issues because you failed to grasp what was being said. And here you are doing it again. Well buddy, no help from me this time. I was pissed the first time, and held my cool. Now it, you clearly are not worth the time. Validating the fact that the soon to be implemented vehicle skill trees increased SP values are ridiculous, Yes hes blowing off what their saying, but hes trying to discuss JUST the respec whereas as hes already mentioned and you should be aware of the vehicle skill trees issues cant simply be fixed with a full respec and would require a full redesign of the vehicle skill tree WHICH IS WHY he is refusing to discuss it any further, while your opinions and points are valid could we please just focus on the SP reset and/or ideas for a different method? One, I don't understand why a full respec requires a full redesign of the vehicle skill tree (which is what CCP has done right?? Sp reset?? The Op was talking about vehicle respecs, and how this seems unfair to infantry. As tankers will easily be able to put their points into infantry, effectively changing their role as a full respec would. How is the tankers view off topic? What the ** are you trying to discuss? Infantry is upset, because tankers get a respec (if you were fully dedicated to vehicles, it's like a full respec!) Then on the other side, tankers are upset because the sink has been dramatically increased, something we were unaware of and are fully unprepared for. Some of us put points into infantry, but now would prefer those points spent into tanks, WHERE THEY ARE NOW NEEDED. The topic was not respecs in general, it was the upcomin 1.7 respec to tankers that this thread started out with. Who's off topic again? Nuff Said
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 249	Posted - 2013.12.01 20:25:00 - [4] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: 2 proto suits with 2 proto weapons and core skills is FAR away from everything. 20m SP now grants you all, ALL vehicles. I think it will be more fair in 1.7. you can skill 1 turret (usage), both available tank hulls (at once) and core skill, maybe a dropship. it's fair, trust me, trust me, it's fair, trust me. I can fit you milito somo tanker fit you help you railgun militio somo tank You may get both vehicles, but when it comes to core, you need to pick shield or armor. His case, he does have a big chunk. But currently, picking one tank, then the skills to go with it, and a turret, will only cost you 10 mil. Which is about what I have in tanks. Though in 1.7, that won't be enough. So basically, I won't have a proto role anymore after 1.7. Nuff Said
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 249	Posted - 2013.12.01 20:40:00 - [5] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: I wish you good luck! I hope you will get what you want! If you need help I can fit you two good militio somo yolo tank somo railgung militio tank Lol, not about getting what we want. Full respec's WON'T be coming out in 1.7. Discussing the ways a partial respec affects the community as a whole, is the idea I thought. Infantry and Tanks. That's how I view these sorts of debates. This isn't like playing the game, you don't win anything. Free and open discussion has no winners. Nuff Said
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 250	Posted - 2013.12.01 20:53:00 - [6] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: You see, it's like in the real world. No matter which way you choose, some people will like it and some people will not. And it never hurts to discover why people like or dislike it. This helps with future decisions, and sometimes reveals that your current decision may not have been the best one. Nope, not everyone will like it. Never hurts to discover why though! Nuff Said
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 257	Posted - 2013.12.02 02:06:00 - [7] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Seriously, there needs to be a full respec. This isn't about jumping into the next FoTM. -Pilots can go full infantry, yet infantry cannot. -Pilots have to use more SP to build a good Vehicle, so they would most likely need their SP that they put into infantry back to put into Vehicles (Ken mentioned this while I was squadded with him). -AV is getting drastically changed. How is it fair to allow Pilots to completely change course of their character and skills but not allow others to change theirs? P.S. Sorry if these were already mentioned Nope, you summed up the points that were made here for a full respec in 1.7, rather than the partial one to vehicles. Still, I believe the plans are set in stone, and have been for a while. Maybe we got's some content in the future. Nuff Said