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Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1207	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:53:00 - [1] - Quote I was just curious after reading alot of these kind of threads why so many beta vets seem to be so incensed over the idea of being refunded their original purchase price for BPOs and the like. I'm sure CCP has some kind of purchase tracking system like any good store, so they probably know who bought what, when and for how much. So if you paid 30 AURUM for something, and then got thirty back because the item gets removed, isn't that pretty fair? I'm just asking because nowhere have I seen someone give a reason for why they should get 'refunded' at current prices when they bought something at what is equivalent to sale prices. It's be like going to Target to return a shirt you bought on sale and expecting full price. It seems like a silly thing to get mad at. So please, just answer the question, no personal attacks for 'daring to think of such blasphemy' and so forth. Shields as Weapons
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1052	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:08:00 - [2] - Quote I find it quite stupid that we "get" BPO's refunded because they now think a BPO item at a value of 900 ish isk influences the ecomy.... With 1.7 they are taking away vehicle BPO's and refund people Next up when all the suit are in they will prolly "refund" dropsuit BPO's due to some changing stats and they will then proceed to take away all those aswell... If they take away the BPO's i want a real Cash refund as i would never have bought for instance the 100 euro Dren set if there were no BPO's in it, refunding me with Aur for suits i bought for looks is something i dont need/want. Lets at least hope that it wont come to that....or they leave my Templar BPO's alone. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1207	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:16:00 - [3] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: I find it quite stupid that we "get" BPO's refunded because they now think a BPO item at a value of 900 ish isk influences the ecomy.... With 1.7 they are taking away vehicle BPO's and refund people Next up when all the suit are in they will prolly "refund" dropsuit BPO's due to some changing stats and they will then proceed to take away all those aswell... If they take away the BPO's i want a real Cash refund as i would never have bought for instance the 100 euro Dren set if there were no BPO's in it, refunding me with Aur for suits i bought for looks is something i dont need/want. Lets at least hope that it wont come to that....or they leave my Templar BPO's alone. Giving a cash refund would probably be the cleanest way to do it, and I doubt anyone would have a leg to stand on if they tried to complain. Shields as Weapons
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 254	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:20:00 - [4] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: I find it quite stupid that we "get" BPO's refunded because they now think a BPO item at a value of 900 ish isk influences the ecomy.... With 1.7 they are taking away vehicle BPO's and refund people Next up when all the suit are in they will prolly "refund" dropsuit BPO's due to some changing stats and they will then proceed to take away all those aswell... If they take away the BPO's i want a real Cash refund as i would never have bought for instance the 100 euro Dren set if there were no BPO's in it, refunding me with Aur for suits i bought for looks is something i dont need/want. Lets at least hope that it wont come to that....or they leave my Templar BPO's alone. I agree on all accounts, I bought every pack with a BPO for those BPOs, if they are going to removed from the gamed I would love a cash refund scalled to the 'cost' of those BPOs. I also just bought a PLEX to trade in Eve for the Templar BPO set, and I will be very incensed if they remove those items from the game. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 239	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:24:00 - [5] - Quote They're only taking away/refunding BPOs for the items with ISK equivalents that are also being removed. RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5193	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:24:00 - [6] - Quote It's possible CCP will refund at the current price if it's just over several unique BPO items. It's probably not that expensive for them to do so. Of course, I'm sure CCP will definitely never considering removing ALL of the BPOs in general because then that will mean giving a HUGE AUR refund amounting about hundreds of thousands per closed-beta vet. Also, I doubt CCP has kept much records at all of who bought what at which price since the data has probably been erased by now to make way for new data. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1191	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:29:00 - [7] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Giving a cash refund would probably be the cleanest way to do it, and I doubt anyone would have a leg to stand on if they tried to complain. ...and no CFO on Earth is going to let that happen. Worst case scenario: we'll be refunded our AUR and boo fricken' hoo. We had a good run with them. Best case from a player perspective: there won't be any new BPOs, but we'll get to keep the ones we have and trade them on the market. Likely scenario: CCP will fear a flood of rage and QQ, let us keep our BPOs, but lock them to the characters that already have them. This prevents the spread of numerous unused multiples to new people. I don't see a problem, as far as my enjoyment of the game goes, with any of the above scenarios. Also: I believe it's militia BPOs that CCP is most concerned with removing from the game. Things like the Dren or Recruiter or Templar gear is much less common, and not likely to hurt a fledgling player-produced economy. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 464	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:29:00 - [8] - Quote I'm more bothered about the eternal rebalancing than anything else... I mean, they take way things, and we don't get nothing new... A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5196	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:42:00 - [9] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Likely scenario: CCP will fear a flood of rage and QQ, let us keep our BPOs, but lock them to the characters that already have them. This prevents the spread of numerous unused multiples to new people. A highly UNlikely scenario. There may be a lot of BPOs in inventory right now, but remember that we are a small population at the moment. Once the player base grows to that of Eve Online levels, the percentage of BPOs compared to the population then will be minimal. There are still Eve Online players that currently own Tech 2 BPOs used for high-tier ships like Exhumers and such yet players in Eve can still freely trade them and they have almost no impact on the Eve economy. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2234	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:54:00 - [10] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: I was just curious after reading alot of these kind of threads why so many beta vets seem to be so incensed over the idea of being refunded their original purchase price for BPOs and the like. I'm sure CCP has some kind of purchase tracking system like any good store, so they probably know who bought what, when and for how much. So if you paid 30 AURUM for something, and then got thirty back because the item gets removed, isn't that pretty fair? I'm just asking because nowhere have I seen someone give a reason for why they should get 'refunded' at current prices when they bought something at what is equivalent to sale prices. It's be like going to Target to return a shirt you bought on sale and expecting full price. It seems like a silly thing to get mad at. So please, just answer the question, no personal attacks for 'daring to think of such blasphemy' and so forth. This kind of refund was going to be implemented upon Uprising's debut. However CCP realised just how much Aur people would make, and decided against it. If they couldn't track the date &/or price of BPO purchases then, I doubt they can do it now. No.

taxi bastard Minor Trueblood 18	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:16:00 - [11] - Quote to be honest I spent about -ú100/$160/E115 on the dren pack and another starter BPO pack for my alt. on top of that I spent maybe another -ú50/$80/E56 on boosters before I got the dren pack. IMO only a RL money refund would be fair - I have invested a lot of money in this game and in all honesty I have spent more than many ever will so why should CCP punish their better customers? what BPO's do I use? and whats their value? how often do they get used dren logistics suit - 3k per life (6 deaths per match average) dren assault rifle 1.2k per life ( 6 deaths per match average) dren sentinel suit 3k per life ( 1 death per match average) issukone watch LAV 19K? occasional use and loss realistically its about 28k per battle I make from having the BPO stuff. as I am a cheap skate my suits range from 7k-16k, 80% of battles my payout ranges from 200k- 300k 15% of battles over 300k 5% bellow 200k people use starter fits, its the same thing really besides we have a slight statistical advantage for all that RL money invested. the isk value is not too significant. anyway for the most part basic gear is being left behind - most people run proto or advanced.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1266	Posted - 2013.11.20 22:17:00 - [12] - Quote Honestly it's stupid. They never removed the "yellow bottle" BPOs. Let me keep my militia shield resist BPO FFS ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1207	Posted - 2013.11.20 23:11:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Likely scenario: CCP will fear a flood of rage and QQ, let us keep our BPOs, but lock them to the characters that already have them. This prevents the spread of numerous unused multiples to new people. A highly UNlikely scenario. There may be a lot of BPOs in inventory right now, but remember that we are a small population at the moment. Once the player base grows to that of Eve Online levels, the percentage of BPOs compared to the population then will be minimal. There are still Eve Online players that currently own Tech 2 BPOs used for high-tier ships like Exhumers and such yet players in Eve can still freely trade them and they have almost no impact on the Eve economy. EVE BPOs function differently, so there is honestly no comparison. In EVE there NEED to be BPOs because they are just blueprints. They need to create everything from these prints using materials. Otherwise, everything would be prohibitively expensive because the manufacturer would have to add the cost of Blueprint research and Blueprint making into their asking price. DUST BPOs don't let you make money off others, but instead just give you an infinite supply of that item. This removes that one person from the pool for sellers of that item's normal counterpart if the market opens up, but doesn't give that person any producer-level advantages. It really isn't much of a problem in DUST from a supply-demand standpoint, the issue of DUST BPOs is mostly moral (the Free to Pay conspiracies surrounding all free games) and the classification of items as Blueprints (CCP might be restructuring the naming and production to that of EVE's when they get around to making the market. In short DUST BPOs are completely different from EVE ones. DUST BPOs do not alter the market as much as EVE ones. DUST BPO's functionality may be giving them slight issues with naming schemes for free market. Shields as Weapons


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