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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:32:00 -
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Mind you I was in the camp that logis needed to be toned downed, my preference was just reducing logi cpu/pg below assaults and make that up in equipment with a 50% bonus reduction to equipment, so a logi that didn't go heavy cpu/pg into equipment would be a huge waste and logisalts would have to either choose ehp or dmg instead of being able to take both (I know not all logis are the same).
I'm not immune to making mistakes or changing my mind as I started thinking about how useful that extra sidearm was in general when I use non automatic rifles weapons, and they are literal life savers as they cover major shortfalls with the other weapons.
I have a dropship alt which currently uses starter fits, so when I used the automatic rifles, you can almost forget you have a sidearm because there are zero weaknesses with the two weapons. They are very ammo efficient, have incredibly fast reload speeds, they are near instant hit scan weapons, they have awesome range, and they do massive damage that scales well across their range.
The need for the sidearm goes away only when you use the automatic rifles, the different resistances for armor/shields is not even big enough to constitute switching damage types. And as it stands now, +80% use automatic rifles so the value of that sidearm goes down dramatically.
So instead of working on debuffing the logi right away, perhaps the issue lies in the fact that the automatic rifles negate having to tactically switch damage types or cover areas of weaknesses.
In which case the automatic rifles need to be toned down or the other weapons need to be made much much more stronger in their niche to justify using them and thus making sidearms more useful for covering outside their niche.
Thoughts?
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:44:00 -
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STOP! There have been at least 1000 threads regarding logis and how assaults feel they should always 1v1 them because their dropsuit is called an assault dropsuit, and to them Logi means "equipment slave".
These threads are getting rediculous. There was one that suggested removing all weapons from logis, another one suggested replacing their weapons with a mandatory repair tool, its quite annoying to see 5-10 of these threads pop up every day for months.
Edit: I read your post, but these Logi vs assault threads just need to stop altogether, regardless of what message they are conveying.
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Burner of faces.
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:49:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:STOP! There have been at least 1000 threads regarding logis and how assaults feel they should always 1v1 them because their dropsuit is called an assault dropsuit, and to them Logi means "equipment slave".
These threads are getting rediculous. There was one that suggested removing all weapons from logis, another one suggested replacing their weapons with a mandatory repair tool, its quite annoying to see 5-10 of these threads pop up every day for months.
Edit: I read your post, but these Logi vs assault threads just need to stop altogether, regardless of what message they are conveying.
My point was that log v assault is perhaps a symptom and not the real issue, which then goes off topic from the other threads, which are looking for logis nerfs, if anything this thread more of a "the auto rifles are OP" thread.
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Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:49:00 -
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No.
Just, why do people craft elaborate **** for these to classes?
Mirror base stats and high and low slots.
Replace blanket 5 hp/s bonus for a 10-15% reduction in equip fitting.
Edit- Sorry, just a reaction to logi threads.
Imbalanced weapons won't change the fact that a gal logi can fit 3 advanced equipment, and a duovalle while moving as fast as a standard Amarr logi with 1100 EHP.
Not to be negative, or rain on your idea or anything
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.20 05:58:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:No.
Just, why do people craft elaborate **** for these to classes?
Mirror base stats and high and low slots.
Replace blanket 5 hp/s bonus for a 10-15% reduction in equip fitting.
Edit- Sorry, just a reaction to logi threads.
Imbalanced weapons won't change the fact that a gal logi can fit 3 advanced equipment, and a duovalle while moving as fast as a standard Amarr logi with 1100 EHP.
Not to be negative, or rain on your idea or anything
Don't sweat it, I throw things out to be scrutinized, because I am no expert on the logi or the assault, this was just something that came to mind.
Plus if you said something silly about how you'd like to balance scouts and I severely disagreed I'd give a straight no as well, so its all good lol
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
511
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Posted - 2013.11.20 06:29:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:No.
Just, why do people craft elaborate **** for these to classes?
Mirror base stats and high and low slots.
Replace blanket 5 hp/s bonus for a 10-15% reduction in equip fitting.
Edit- Sorry, just a reaction to logi threads.
Imbalanced weapons won't change the fact that a gal logi can fit 3 advanced equipment, and a duovalle while moving as fast as a standard Amarr logi with 1100 EHP.
Not to be negative, or rain on your idea or anything
That's the choice you make when you choose to have a side-arm. That and anything higher than 10% movement penalty is bad. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.20 06:55:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:No.
Just, why do people craft elaborate **** for these to classes?
Mirror base stats and high and low slots.
Replace blanket 5 hp/s bonus for a 10-15% reduction in equip fitting.
Edit- Sorry, just a reaction to logi threads.
Imbalanced weapons won't change the fact that a gal logi can fit 3 advanced equipment, and a duovalle while moving as fast as a standard Amarr logi with 1100 EHP.
Not to be negative, or rain on your idea or anything
Or we could just buff the assault so it's worth the SP investment instead of being a basic medium with 2 bonuses and a paint job. More base stats, better class bonus, more CPU/PG and hybrid weapons for the Gallente assault... You nerf the logi, the assault is still going to suck. Would you rather have the assault be as good as attractive as a logi, or or just better by comparison? Before you answer that, ask any Gallente and Amarr assault if they like their shield bonus.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:01:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:No.
Just, why do people craft elaborate **** for these to classes?
Mirror base stats and high and low slots.
Replace blanket 5 hp/s bonus for a 10-15% reduction in equip fitting.
Edit- Sorry, just a reaction to logi threads.
Imbalanced weapons won't change the fact that a gal logi can fit 3 advanced equipment, and a duovalle while moving as fast as a standard Amarr logi with 1100 EHP.
Not to be negative, or rain on your idea or anything Or we could just buff the assault so it's worth the SP investment instead of being a basic medium with 2 bonuses and a paint job. More base stats, better class bonus, more CPU/PG and hybrid weapons for the Gallente assault... You nerf the logi, the assault is still going to suck. Would you rather have the assault be as good as attractive as a logi, or or just better by comparison? Before you answer that, ask any Gallente and Amarr assault if they like their shield bonus.
This guy right here. :)
Ive heard it before, and said it before, remove the 10%damage buff that all weapons got, and give assault suits 2% light weapon damage per level. This makes them more about assaulting things, and logis can finally be left alone. |
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