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Samuel Zelik
D.A.R.K Academy
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Posted - 2013.11.20 06:11:00 -
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I'd much rather see these Shields in the Equipment slot so the Commando could still have access to 2 light weapons.
TL;DR:
Shields should have activate effects, like resistance boosters, etc.
Main:
I actually was thinking about Shield-weapons (because they'd be in the weapon slot) in Dust two days... and honestly, by themselves (referring to OP's ideas) the Shields-weapons don't seem unique, original, or all too useful. Any FPS game can have just a Shield, and that alone wouldn't make the Shields in Dust unique or for tactical use.
However, one great thing EVE has is weapon-types (ie: laser, projectile, plasma, explosive, etc.). I think this is really where physical Shields could shine. Instead of the Shields just being Shields, give them an active function, similar to an Active Scanner. Keep the shield tiering/types of the OP (or a variation, whatever), but keep in mind the races are fighting each other. Give the Shield active effects that counteract another race's weapon types!
Examples:
When the Gallente Shield (Sleek shield) is activated, the Shield's resistance to hybrid and missile weapons would be temporarily boosted by 50% for x seconds.
When the Caldari Shield (Wide Shield) is activated, the Shield's projection width would temporarily narrow, but the Shield would be able to deflect all hybrid weapon damage and resist Flux grenade damage by 99% for x seconds.
When the Minmatar Shield (Light Shield) is activated, the Shield would resist laser damage by 30%, reduce the effects of explosives by 30% (for when the other racial explosives come; see Explosive Diversity) , and propel the user forward (using small boosters attached to the Shield) for x seconds.
When the Amarr Shield (Heavy Shield) is activated, the Shield would reduce the user's movement speed by 50%, but also resist projectile and explosive damage by 50% while using an inertial pulse (or something like that) to blow away all explosives for x seconds.
All of these would sharply boost the user's profile and render them unable to run. Having these additional effects would greatly supplement the Shield's tactical use and, to an extent, make them more than just Shields. These could act as great counters to current and future weapons (Ie: Amarr Shield for REs on objectives or grenade spam in close-quarters; Minmatar to breach heavily guarded, close-combat portable Shields).
Conclusion:
Of course, this is all speculation, and the bonuses are just examples, but I think most everything in Dust needs to be risk v. reward and have some kind of tactical advantage or niche. If there are going to be Shields in Dust, they should be more than just Shields.
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Samuel Zelik
D.A.R.K Academy
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Posted - 2013.11.20 06:52:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:This is great and all, but seems more like a core feature to build a game around rather than one to add in. It is very complex, and the more complex something is the harder it is to create. I would be fine with simple 'riot shield' style weapons. Resistance boosters and such should be their own modules, we haven't got enough high slot diversity yet to count those out. Also, you have to think about battle practicality and button useage. For example, what button would turn this mode on? And who in their right mind would use the Amarr one? Such a slow, large target would get torn apart, especially with no gun to fire back. The game is an FPS RPG, not just an RPG. Also, who's fighting who seems to be on the brink of change, has been for about a year now but still...
Complex isn't necessarily bad or impossible, though; rather, complexity could be considered having more depth.
I really can't support having just a riot Shield, it seems too out of place to me.
We wouldn't need resistance modules if the effects were built into the Shield (were it to be Equipment).
Even with simultaneous weapon usage with a Shield, assuming ADS would not be allowed, the button could be mapped using the Shield for maximum coverage would be the zoom for weaponry (as a double-tap hold). Also, if not able to simultaneously use a weapon, the reload button would open up.
Like I said, this isn't set in stone; they are only examples. The Amarr one would be useful in narrow hallways/ close-quarter fire fights. Even though the target is moving slowly, remember it is the "heaviest" of the Shields and would also be able to push away things like grenades and remote explosives (and although didn't include it, other deployable equipment, too). In addition, with a strong enough repulsive, friendly explosives would also get a velocity boost. While the shields can be used as individual protection on their own, some of their activated effects give boosts that are most effective working as a team.
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Samuel Zelik
D.A.R.K Academy
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:49:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Samuel Zelik wrote:Zero Harpuia wrote:[quote=Samuel Zelik]
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[...] Complexity can also add fake depth. It is better to start simply and make sure the basics hold water. Also, all the checks that your shield effects would have to run would make them a nightmare for programmers, if not just a lag-trap in general. We don't need them to be so overdone. Making them equipment would defeat the point. Even if it is the toughest, your Amarr one would be torn to shreds within moments by a Blaster Rifle, deployed or not. This function requires far too much commitment for a PvP FPS scenario, and is therefore excessive and useless at the same time.
Fair enough; I can't see the point you're trying to make.
I'd still rather see them as equipment. Even though it defeats the point of your idea/concept, there would be other benefits (and drawbacks) to having it as such.
Fair enough on last statement.
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