No, I'm saying that if I have a PROTOTYPE weapon, only the best players should survive.

Or should we just give MLT suits the ability to survive a Freedom, Allotek, Isukone, Duvolle, and every other pro variant

IF YOU ARE NOT THE BEST TANKER THEN YOU SHOULD NOT SURVIVE THE BEST AV.

The best rivals the best, and only the best.

Why not? Half the job of AV is repelling the tank. It's not going to move forward if I hit it at that range, but it's close enough to where a specialized tank to take AV-me out.

Stop sounding like a whiny little baby for starters, or are you just hoping for trolls?

The swarm nerf was a little too much, they didn't need both a range AND damage nerf, 1 would have been sufficent.

Can anyone explain why Armor Repairers are Passive modules? Am I understanding this incorrectly? Will it be like infantry modules where the armor repper will passively repair armor over time?

The only active modules are: Shield/Armor hardeners, shield boosters and damage amplifiers (also afterburners and such)

Cool.

Do you think this will balance the Shield vs. Armor debacle in terms of vehicles?

1) A stinger would do so much more damage than an RPG, just sayin

Now as for this



I agree, but I think our opinions differ. You see I think the the Launcher range nerf was more than enough, prehaps a little damage to account for changes in HAV health sure.

The swarm launcher would have changed completly, it would only be capable of engaging enemy vehicles from within it's current theatre of battle. Now at range of 140 you aren't exactly going to last long as an AVer if the tank has brought infantry.

The range nerf stopped you being able to outrange infantry by so much, what you would see is swarm launchers become a niche weapon, where they would be used, most often by commando suits, to significantly shorten the wave of oppurtunity of tanks.

Hell, you could nerf the range to within a 100m, as long as you kept the damage.
But with both, you have an AV with minimal damage, too strong to become infantry, to weak to really beat vehicles, so what?

If we don't have a heavy on a roof, which you all want nerfed, or a tank we are pretty much ******! I mean come on, through out the time I (personally) have tried to cut tankers a bit of slack, but when the shoe is on the other foot . . . . . . .

lolwut?

I'm butthurt that lasers and ScR kill me all the time, but I haven't speced into armor because I'm stubborn. Therefore, lasers and ScR should be nerfed. See the problem?

Repel and destroy are not the same thing. I think I've destroyed maybe one tank in PC. Most of the tanks I fire swarms at immediately retreat, putting it out of action for X amount of time. Then I turn around and die to the guy using an AR. That's how it should be.

It's true that the range on the SL was too long, but 175 meters seems extreme. Did you miss the part where I'm fine the damage nerf?

Using a PLC for AV does not need skill it does need a wonder to work. And even Swarms need some sort of skill if you consider how dumb these rockets are or how difficult it is to lock on the right target. And you really believe it takes skill to run a tank when there is no offense other than a another tank?

Right now you can have quite interesting battles if a good AV meets a good Tanker, bad AV gets killed by even medicore Tankers and the other way round.

Regarding the ISK argument you all know that ISK is not a balancing factor otherwise a free fit should never be able to drop a 150K Protosuit.

Then tell me what are my swarms supposed to do then?

and dude who says its 1 million sp to make an AV fit...your slow..

1mill swarm operation
1.5 swarm proficiency
1 mil for dmage mods

+ at least a million for an advanced suit

my proto AV fit costs 244 k isk. More than your tank prob.

If you honestly believe that then Blasters and Missile turrets should do no damage to anything whatsoever.. They are stupid easy and even easier when you press R3.

It does take skill. Until you can post a video of you soloing a good HAV with a good pilot, you will continue to be spitting baseless claims. I find it hilarious how you say AV is easy when HAVs are thg most easiest thing to do in the game. All you need is SP.

Try again.

Aren't there already visual markers for active modules on tanks? The "Aura" (for lack of a better word) that it makes when tanks have hardeners/reppers on (which I think share the same visuals) as well as Blue auras for shield boosters etc

Since active armor repairers are gone next patch wouldnt the current visuals suffice?

Because your saying that a weapon should be quite obviously better then another in every way that's important. That is not balancing. That is called buffing an UP weapon to useable state an making another weapon UP in comparison making swarms the worst choice in AV. Why would anyone use swarms if there is quite obviously weapons that are much more effective in almost every way

im probably forgetting some other items that you want; but for a real AV'er, you are looking at around 10M SP investment

not sure on tanker SP now; but don't assume the SP investment for an av'er is nothing; b/c it isnt

Wow long range and lock on how cool especially when I find out I can't destroy anything with my prototype weapon (Which I've spent over 2 mill sp on) but militia tanks (Or dumbass standard tanks) and LAVs. Sounds like lots of fun.

Don't worry I'll just use my forge gun if this is how CCPs thinking. The forge gun is easier to use in my opinion anyways plus I'll actually have a chance at killing any infantry trying to kill me.

Entire argument made obsolete by Aim Assisted ARs.

Remind me when Forge Guns are accessible to Medium and Light Frames. Until then, they will be doing nothing to Dropships, and will be relying on Remote Explosives to take out other vehicles.

all I can say, if in a 2M SP alt in tanking; I took out a 10M SP tanker; and survived 3 people swarming .. so yeah; your point is moot at best. Come back when people think you are equal to Caeli, Noc, Slap or Alldin, Exmaple

Please tell me why the heavy suit should be the primary AV unit. Give me a reasonable explanation other then "Because I said so".

Oooh, someone's butthurt about Assault Mass Drivers denying an area. And you're right, without swarms to worry about, I can easily get elevation to use my weapon in optimal.

Blues won't survive. They will be 2-shotted at worst by vehicles they can't touch. This change does nothing but reward 10+million SP players that are already done customizing their 1 suit to skill into another suit. Telling players "Skill into Heavies in order to be able to deal with AV before you skill into the stuff you really want" doesn't promote anything but grinding.

175m lock with Standard swarm damage is trash and you know it. You can't honestly be saying Dropships are worried at all about Swarms in 1.7. Someone said before, the range nerf puts you in Infantry range vs any other vehicle, and Medium Frame AV suits auto-lose to standard Infantry. The Forge Gun was the best AV weapon available to Infantry in the game before the nerf, and it is after nerf. Players always skilled into Heavies for the Assault Forge if they really wanted to get rid of vehicles.

No one is saying that other AV options have to outclass Forge Gunners, but they have to have the ability to win in optimal, not deter, or there will be no point in skilling into it. "Deter" only means that opposing team has a numerical advantage, especially if it takes more than 1 person to deter.

Swarms are only fire and forget on maps like Manus Peak where you have a complete view of the battlefield. Not even then in most cases. If you decide to be a man and not AV from the redline then swarms are fire, crash into a wall, and then get gunned down by enemy infantry every time.

I can cite many occasions of where my Swarms decided to glitch worse than giant MCC sized GEKs. Your point?

Yes, this is a glitch that happens every once and a while.
Most tankers like to believe that AV should be nerfed because of this as opposed to just fixing the glitch.

Swarm users don't give a damn about tankers seeing the swarms all they care about is damage and range.

And still, that's like complaining about not being able to see the Sniper when you get hit.