There is always someone out there so naive....

my point here exactly that swarmlunchers dont need any skills, they lock on and shoot. but tankers have to have a lot of skills, trying to escape bloody swarms. about 4-6m sp goes into a descent tank, maybe 1m into an op av bastard.

so you are saying that only well known and famous tankers should tank because they are not as hard to kill? that ridiculous!! thats like saying if logis aren-¦t doing theyr job fx repairing armour, providing ammo and reviving they shouldn't play as logistic. Then the logistic would vanish from dust514.

And what I think is that solo players shouldn't be able to destroy tanks easily at all unless like those paper-somas or very idiotic tankers.

The easier a weapon is to use, the less damage it should do.

The PLC should massively outdamage swarms because of the difficulty factor.

Any lock on, fire and forget weapon should not do more damage than a single fire, one in the clip lobbing projectile.

If you want to pretend that medium frame AV takes skill, then roll a PLC. Otherwise, you are just a scrub in denial.

One last thing, why do you think that EVERYBODY has wiryrkomi swarm luncher??

PROBABLY BECAUSE IT IS WAY TO UNDERPOWERED RIGHT??????

All you need is SP?

Absolutely not. Unless you want to be broke, with a bad K/D.

You think anyone can just hop into a tank and throw out good numbers?
Yes anyone can; my first time piloting an HAV made me go 23-12-0.

Than explain why all tankers don't have ridiculously high K/D ratios.
Because of the very thing you want removed, AV. Heck, CharCharOdell even made a thread about how she misses being able to go 30-0 with ease. I think it's called Tank Nostalgia?

BTW, blaster turrets and missiles do not lock on, and they do not track. In no way do swarms take skill compared to tanking, in no way do swarms take skill relative to FG or PLC users.
A Forge Gun is so much more easier to use than a Swarm that it's funny. A 1-2 second charge time, a travel time faster than any vehicle can react to (except Scout LAVs, those things are scary fast with nitrous mods), and the ability to kill infantry. It's like AR users who say MDs are easy mode.

So you want me to dump 610k SP into swarms just to make you look stupid? No need, you do that every time you post.
If I said right now that I had 0 SP invested into HAVs, you'd be the first one to say, "well you don't use tanks so HTFU and get good". You don't use swarm launchers yet think your able to make an educated valuable, and non-biased opinion about them? Yeah anything you say about SLs from this point is null and void.

Also, I have more SP invested into HAVs then I do AV atm. But that gap is slowly closing.... Slowly.....


Unless you want to pay for the clone pack for me to attack AE, and provide the ringers to tie up their infantry so I can go solo Bob, there is no valid way to satisfy your demands.
Does it look like I have 36 million dollars to give to someone who is probably going to hit up Cakeman and say "yeah I'm doing that video demonstration that Atiim asked me to do, you mind bringing out a $h!t fit for me"? (It's not like he wouldn't do that if you paid him). My wallet total isn't even 36 Million ISK. And If I take money from the corp wallet then I have to pay it back.

Not that I would anyway, because you are merely defending the worst of play styles because you are bad. If you could do anything else reasonably well, then you wouldn't be the standard bearer for scrub play.
Or maybe your just wrong. I could easily say HTFU and GET GOOD to the other tankers here but unlike you and most people in the LOLTank Brigade, I defend my points with facts and logic. Not "lol yeah this is easy mode you need to HTFU and get good scrub" followed by your typical, "No I don't need proof at all why would I use proof to try to prove you wrong"?

Keep telling yourself that swarming takes skill. Delusional people give me a good chuckle.
I'm worried about you. It's not healthy to laugh at yourself like that.

And once again, you say that as if HAV piloting was hard

No, I do not know that the range is insufficient, because I haven't played vs them yet.

I also disagree that the FG is the best AV weapon right now. Currently, there is little reason to spec a FG unless you aim to be a heavy beyond just forging.

Swarms do more damage, are longer range, and track to the target. They can also be equipped with more damage mods, can carry hives to resupply, and can jump better to avoid blaster fire. Additionally, they do not need direct line of sight to be fired and hit the target. Oh yeah, and you don't need to spec into another frame to use it.

So I disagree with your position that the FG is the best AV choice right now.

Thankfully, the FG will be the prime choice in 1.7, as it should be.

However given your inclination alongside avid tankers like Void and Spkr to exaggerate..... your words are not really all that convincing knowing that you wish tanks to be utter jokes....

I don't think you get anything out of this argument, neither does the General here drop it since you cannot convince tankers to tank more nerfs and Av to get more buffs, consequently we cannot convince you that tanks deserve buffs and AV nerfs.

Yet I can cite so many occasions where I was being hit by insanely damaging invisible swarms.

All I think about AV is that fire and forget weapons should either be weak, or not fire and forget at all.

?????

Is this a visual glitch?

Swarms do more damage against armor tanks, the majority of tanks are armor.

FG max range: 300m Swarm max range: 400m. Not debatable.

Slow compared to the FG, sure, but they track to their target.

Using an unreleased suit as a manner of saying swarms are not OP is asinine.

If jumping has never saved you against a tank, that is because you are too far away for it too matter. When you are forging up close against a blaster, jumping is what saves you. Seeing many swarms take advantage of the lag to do the same. Just their jumps are bigger, and they have enough stamina to jump an extra time or two before they get immobile and easier to hit.

My point about not needing direct line of sight to fire referred to being able to step out long enough to acquire a target, and then move back into cover to launch over it. Happens all the time. FG can't do that. They need direct LOS between themselves and the target if they want a hit.

The more accurate comparison would be not seeing the sniper when I am looking through the scope of my own rifle. Railgun has a theoretical range of 600m, and an actual range of about a quarter of that, on a good day.

I know that swarm users don't care about anyone else. That has been long established. Scrubs gon' be scrubs and all that.

The thing, if I could see and engage infantry at max range with my railgun, they could have all the range they like. FG to, as long as they could be engaged.

not if my rg is on the opposite team

Yup I'll drop him for you Atiim.

Oh and by the way you shall have to introduce me to that Slave you want. We slavers have to stick together you know....