DUST Search - Breaking point come 1.7 ?

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Foundation Seldon wrote:

M McManus wrote:

I know of a few people still hanging on to hope 1.7 will fix a lot of stuff so what are some things that should be in 1.7 or you're officially done ?

Mine..

[1] kb/m fix

[2] TTK fix ..

TTK is an issue thats only been starting to come out of the woodwork in the last few weeks. It certainly wasn't something that was prevalent before the re-addition of aim assist in 1.5. Given what we know of the released weapon stats for the combat and rail rifle it certainly doesn't look like it's something that's going to be addressed in 1.7 as well and "fixing" it would require a pretty major rebalance of a lot of the weapons currently in the game. Knowing what we know about how their development process works (as soon as patch 1 is released in our hands, patch 2 is in a near code locked state and has begun internal testing) then I wouldn't expect anything major in terms of addressing it until, at the earliest, 1.8 and more than likely 1.9

As for the post at hand though, I really want the Vehicle Rebalance to be in 1.7

I don't believe it's aim assist. I think they improved hit detection, then as a further improvement they increased the size of the hit boxes (which is why you take damage after you've already moved behind cover).

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M McManus Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 275	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:07:00 - [1] - Quote I know of a few people still hanging on to hope 1.7 will fix a lot of stuff so what are some things that should be in 1.7 or you're officially done ? Mine.. [1] kb/m fix [2] TTK fix ..
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1865	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:11:00 - [2] - Quote M McManus wrote: I know of a few people still hanging on to hope 1.7 will fix a lot of stuff so what are some things that should be in 1.7 or you're officially done ? Mine.. [1] kb/m fix [2] TTK fix .. After a series of core mechanics and fixing patches I think this one is going to be content plus the vehicle overhaul. The last info I got about TTK was that CCP is still in the analysis phase and isn't ready to make any sweeping changes to try and change it. I don't use KBM. What's wrong with it? Not dominating controllers? AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 774	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:12:00 - [3] - Quote I think there's no exact, defined breaking point for most of the players. Just interest and optimism slowly dying after waiting for so long, for what? Dunno. Natural migration to new games and of course the PS4. Rude people can go fuck themselves. Oh shit! Can I really say fuck in here?
DoubleTap420 Pradox One Proficiency V. 129	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:12:00 - [4] - Quote F*ck your kb/m. I hope they break it even more. I want a scout buff or a respec but preferably both though lol. Long live scouts! We will prevail one day. Minja time...cant touch this! I make the Minnie. The Minnie dont make me.
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 197	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:15:00 - [5] - Quote M McManus wrote: I know of a few people still hanging on to hope 1.7 will fix a lot of stuff so what are some things that should be in 1.7 or you're officially done ? Mine.. [1] kb/m fix [2] TTK fix .. TTK is an issue thats only been starting to come out of the woodwork in the last few weeks. It certainly wasn't something that was prevalent before the re-addition of aim assist in 1.5. Given what we know of the released weapon stats for the combat and rail rifle it certainly doesn't look like it's something that's going to be addressed in 1.7 as well and "fixing" it would require a pretty major rebalance of a lot of the weapons currently in the game. Knowing what we know about how their development process works (as soon as patch 1 is released in our hands, patch 2 is in a near code locked state and has begun internal testing) then I wouldn't expect anything major in terms of addressing it until, at the earliest, 1.8 and more than likely 1.9 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1952	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:17:00 - [6] - Quote It won't be the breaking point for me, but I think it will be for some. I'm not even sure if FW 2.0 will be out in 1.7, but I see some big problems in the way they are proposing the payouts. I think it will flop in a big way due to massive amounts of AFK with no ISK payouts and no player market to turn goods into ISK. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1952	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:18:00 - [7] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: M McManus wrote: I know of a few people still hanging on to hope 1.7 will fix a lot of stuff so what are some things that should be in 1.7 or you're officially done ? Mine.. [1] kb/m fix [2] TTK fix .. TTK is an issue thats only been starting to come out of the woodwork in the last few weeks. It certainly wasn't something that was prevalent before the re-addition of aim assist in 1.5. Given what we know of the released weapon stats for the combat and rail rifle it certainly doesn't look like it's something that's going to be addressed in 1.7 as well and "fixing" it would require a pretty major rebalance of a lot of the weapons currently in the game. Knowing what we know about how their development process works (as soon as patch 1 is released in our hands, patch 2 is in a near code locked state and has begun internal testing) then I wouldn't expect anything major in terms of addressing it until, at the earliest, 1.8 and more than likely 1.9 As for the post at hand though, I really want the Vehicle Rebalance to be in 1.7 I don't believe it's aim assist. I think they improved hit detection, then as a further improvement they increased the size of the hit boxes (which is why you take damage after you've already moved behind cover). Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1362	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:27:00 - [8] - Quote Kb/m is having bad hit detection issues and what seems like input lag. It felt like I was having to fight with my mouse to get the crosshairs over a target, and when I did most shots would miss if the target was moving and I was not also strafing. The moment I started strafing targets would drop like a sack of potatoes. My uneducated guess is that if you're "aiming" with your feet, the server side aim assist snaps on and accounts for the small bit of lag between where you look like you are and where the server says you are. If you're only pivoting then the server / client discrepancy isn't accounted for and shots that look like hits will miss.
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 197	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:28:00 - [9] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: M McManus wrote: I know of a few people still hanging on to hope 1.7 will fix a lot of stuff so what are some things that should be in 1.7 or you're officially done ? Mine.. [1] kb/m fix [2] TTK fix .. TTK is an issue thats only been starting to come out of the woodwork in the last few weeks. It certainly wasn't something that was prevalent before the re-addition of aim assist in 1.5. Given what we know of the released weapon stats for the combat and rail rifle it certainly doesn't look like it's something that's going to be addressed in 1.7 as well and "fixing" it would require a pretty major rebalance of a lot of the weapons currently in the game. Knowing what we know about how their development process works (as soon as patch 1 is released in our hands, patch 2 is in a near code locked state and has begun internal testing) then I wouldn't expect anything major in terms of addressing it until, at the earliest, 1.8 and more than likely 1.9 As for the post at hand though, I really want the Vehicle Rebalance to be in 1.7 I don't believe it's aim assist. I think they improved hit detection, then as a further improvement they increased the size of the hit boxes (which is why you take damage after you've already moved behind cover). Sure, I can totally buy this as well. The point is they "fixed" whatever it was that either negated certain shots or kept people from hitting moving targets and we have what we have today as a result. Maybe they'll hotfix out the 10% increase in damage to all weapons they threw in at the beginning of Uprising or maybe they'll accumulate some more data on the new rifles before they make another sweeping change, in any case it's not something we're likely to see in 1.7 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1939	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:47:00 - [10] - Quote Not seeing damage adjustments in 1.7 is not good enough. This game has not deliverd on anything that has been advertised even in promo vids which breaks UK advertising laws I'm very close to bringing this up with Sony and asking for an aru refund. Changing how bpos work will be another one that I will want a refund on to be honest. I have zero faith in the developers to deliver given the failure of PC from a gamemode point of view and 4+ years of development just to get guns to hit correctly "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5172	Posted - 2013.11.19 14:49:00 - [11] - Quote When they introduce constant respecs as a feature. That will be my breaking point. If they go that far, I'm done. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
IceStormers Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 83	Posted - 2013.11.19 15:21:00 - [12] - Quote if we get open respecs or for Aur, im out if they dont fix the mouse, im out if TTK does not increase, im out If pc does not become usable, im out if we cant have vehicles balanced with AV, im out IF we have to spend real money to be competitive, im out but i dont expect this for 1.7 1,7 i would love to see all racial for suits and weapons (regardless if they are balanced) so we can try them out for style, then a full respec when vehicles come in The good news is DayZ is still not released and BF4 / Cod is as poor as ever so not going there either means im kinda stuck here, atleast till Black Friday I Support SP Rollover
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 551	Posted - 2013.11.19 15:35:00 - [13] - Quote 1.7 has to be amazing for me to start playing again... KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 55	Posted - 2013.11.19 15:40:00 - [14] - Quote M McManus wrote: I know of a few people still hanging on to hope 1.7 will fix a lot of stuff so what are some things that should be in 1.7 or you're officially done ? Mine.. [1] kb/m fix [2] TTK fix .. If you hang your play based on a patch, then good luck with "hangin on" to this game over the years to come. If EVE online is any indicator, there will be many more changes and revamps and additions etc and the DUST 514 game of a year from now will be significantly different than the DUST 514 game of today and so on for the entirety of the game's life.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 135	Posted - 2013.11.19 15:53:00 - [15] - Quote As it's been said already, I don't feel like there's a single moment where you just go "I'm not playing this anymore".. it's more a gradual die-off as you play less and wait for it to get better, and for most people, there's no downside really as their character will accumulate sp passively anyway. Personally I am waiting for "content" in the truest form of the word - content being "new things to see and do", so that would be new suits, new weapons, new maps, new vehicles, new modules, new game modes, PvE, a proper market, more sandboxing features, etc. Of course things like polished UI, smooth FPS, refined controls, etc. are always welcome but these should be included in every patch.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1942	Posted - 2013.11.19 15:57:00 - [16] - Quote PvE would be the game changer for me to be honest still no hope of that till late next year and we have devision and destiny. Devision looking like how the players act effects your run throught along with random encounter PvP "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 59	Posted - 2013.11.19 16:01:00 - [17] - Quote M McManus wrote: I know of a few people still hanging on to hope 1.7 will fix a lot of stuff so what are some things that should be in 1.7 or you're officially done ? Mine.. [1] kb/m fix [2] TTK fix .. Matchmaking Fix TTK Fix Respec of vehicle skills/AR skills/Swarm skills My Theme
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 564	Posted - 2013.11.19 16:21:00 - [18] - Quote Not for me. I expect plenty of balance issues that need to be ironed out following the update. I'm hoping by fanfest we'll have a pretty solid core foundation to build from. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 226	Posted - 2013.11.19 16:26:00 - [19] - Quote I consider 1.7 to be a very important patch. I don't hold any hope that heavies will see any love, but this patch is still important to me. I'm making myself log on once or twice a week right now. 1.7 will determine whether or not I get rid of my Ps3 for a Ps4. To be completely honest, I'm just sick of the lack of any progress with this game. Content is given, and now it's taken away. Control is fixed, and now it is broken(according to some). I can spend both my money and my time better. So I am REALLY hoping CCP demonstrates a certain level of competence and vision with 1.7. Vehicle fixes won't be enough for me to stay as I don't give a flip about them. There will need to be something more. Something that says CCP has a real plan. The best content Dust has had recently has been the passive aggressive trolling that the devs and CPM bring to the forums. Here is to the hope of that changing....
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 346	Posted - 2013.11.19 16:28:00 - [20] - Quote I play this game to unwind and lately I'll finish a session feeling more frustrated than when I started. Primary contributors are lag compensation favoring foreigners, terrain glitches hindering movement, and 20% mouse sensitivity (my sweet spot for twitch reaction) being broken since 1.4 release. I can get good and htfu when beat by superior players/strategies or tactical missteps and can lead a team in WP when all they want to do is camp the MCC...but it's hard to adapt to the random consequences of coding oversights. I respect CCPs efforts in pushing forward with expansion of the game concept and have noticed a rush of new players, but id rather have an instant, visceral return on my time investment instead of investing in a character hoping that it will all pay off someday soontm.

Cosgar ParagonX 7938	Posted - 2013.11.19 16:31:00 - [21] - Quote If they listen to all these idiotic logi nerf threads instead of buffing the assaults like they should, I'm officially done. If there's no fix for the AR recoil exploit, I'm taking an extended break. If they do the unthinkable and give us another Uprising 1.0, then they should close the forums since our feedback obviously doesn't matter. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
M McManus Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 275	Posted - 2013.11.19 16:58:00 - [22] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: I consider 1.7 to be a very important patch. I don't hold any hope that heavies will see any love, but this patch is still important to me. I'm making myself log on once or twice a week right now. 1.7 will determine whether or not I get rid of my Ps3 for a Ps4. To be completely honest, I'm just sick of the lack of any progress with this game. Content is given, and now it's taken away. Control is fixed, and now it is broken(according to some). I can spend both my money and my time better. So I am REALLY hoping CCP demonstrates a certain level of competence and vision with 1.7. Vehicle fixes won't be enough for me to stay as I don't give a flip about them. There will need to be something more. Something that says CCP has a real plan. The best content Dust has had recently has been the passive aggressive trolling that the devs and CPM bring to the forums. Here is to the hope of that changing.... This is why i made this post because I've talked to a lot of people lately and have seen posts especially with the release of PS4 that there are more and more people feeling burnt out.. If 1.7 doesn't have some form of polish along with balance I think a lot of people are heading towards that "dying off" stage and really tired of sticking with CCP's continuous failure patch after patch.. If all they give us is a fancy FW UI, new rifles and some back end fixes, i don't think i can stick around and/or give CCP anymore money because a lot of of us continue to stick around month after month with lil to no improvement to the "core".. Sure the netcode is amazing but how much depth this shooter has - just as far as builds and diversity - it just continues to feel like another cookie cutter shooter with frustrating features and costly deaths.. And again i say im not judging the "Breaking point" on a Single Patch im saying, will this be it for a large group of people or will they stick around through this extremely low TTK and still meaningless farm ville PClag with a side of AR514.. And to those who say the new rifles will balance out the suits GTFO that's like the US moto lets "Bomb for peace" ....
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 323	Posted - 2013.11.19 17:52:00 - [23] - Quote M McManus wrote: ...so what are some things that should be in 1.7... GÇóAll racial variant of everthing GÇóMTACs GÇóRTS commander roles/suit GÇóFighters GÇóBommers GÇóMAVs GÇóThat command vehicle that I saw a pic of a while back. (the one with the extra large turret and like 7 other turrets too) GÇóTech three weapons customizations for all weapons GÇóSome original variations on game mode GÇóComplete vehicle balance GÇóComplete infantry balance GÇóFull economic integration with EVE GÇóREAL ground braking purpose for EVE and Dust to co-exist together. GÇó P2P trading Yup, that'd about do it. {:)}{3GÇó>


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