DUST Search - [Feedback] Gameplay is lacking anything special

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

For all its complex fitting systems, planetary conquests, faction warfare, skills, etc, Dust's gameplay is still basically a simple shooter with no substantial mechanics to set it apart and make it unique compared to other shooters. There are some unique systems, passive scan system, damage types, active modules for vehicles (fairly unique in a shooter) and that's about it; they don't fundamentally effect how you play the game in a big way.

The battlefield series has destructible environments (kind of cool)

The Killzone and Mass Effect series have cool class-based powers (awesome)

COD has those killstreaks (meh)

Bioshock infinite had powers and that skyline (cool)

Planetside 2 has the massive scale (ok)

Titanfall has the aaaaawwwwwwwwesome mechs (awesome)

Many shooters (Halo, Titanfall, Killzone 3, Section 8) have jetpacks (cool)

Dust has many many things going for it that make it unique interesting, and special, but none of those things are in the actual gameplay.

Our equipment is basically the same things we see in Battlefield or similar games (active scanner = motion sensor, drop uplink = spawn beacon, injector = defibrillator, repair tool = health pack, nanohive = ammo pack, and REs = C4). We have enough gear for the game to be tactically functional, but nothing strays outside the ordinary and dares to show any creativity.

Forge gun, scrambler rifle, and (especially) laser rifle, and flaylock pistol are pretty unique weapons for a shooter, but these are not enough to make Dust's gameplay stand out beyond average.

Our dropsuits are pretty simple and boring in terms of function in a shooter with the exception of the logi (no sidearm, multiple equipment).

Mechs (MTACs) and cloaking are coming eventually (sadly doesn't seem to be anytime soon), but I don't think that will be enough. While i do want mechs and cloaking, they have been done so many times by so many shooters (Halo, Killzone, etc) that I don't think it will be enough.

Players have proposed methods of dealing with this:

Infantry active modules

Fun new equipment that bring exciting new gameplay, teleportation grenades, inertial capacitors

I have suggested stargate-like installations

CCP, please sprinkle some pizzazz. Right now Dust is a very deep generic shooter, but still generic.


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Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3827	Posted - 2013.11.19 12:59:00 - [1] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: For all its complex fitting systems, planetary conquests, faction warfare, skills, etc, Dust's gameplay is still basically a simple shooter with no substantial mechanics to set it apart and make it unique compared to other shooters. There are some unique systems, passive scan system, damage types, active modules for vehicles (fairly unique in a shooter) and that's about it; they don't fundamentally effect how you play the game in a big way. The battlefield series has destructible environments (kind of cool) The Killzone and Mass Effect series have cool class-based powers (awesome) COD has those killstreaks (meh) Bioshock infinite had powers and that skyline (cool) Planetside 2 has the massive scale (ok) Titanfall has the aaaaawwwwwwwwesome mechs (awesome) Many shooters (Halo, Titanfall, Killzone 3, Section 8) have jetpacks (cool) Dust has many many things going for it that make it unique interesting, and special, but none of those things are in the actual gameplay. Our equipment is basically the same things we see in Battlefield or similar games (active scanner = motion sensor, drop uplink = spawn beacon, injector = defibrillator, repair tool = health pack, nanohive = ammo pack, and REs = C4). We have enough gear for the game to be tactically functional, but nothing strays outside the ordinary and dares to show any creativity. Forge gun, scrambler rifle, and (especially) laser rifle, and flaylock pistol are pretty unique weapons for a shooter, but these are not enough to make Dust's gameplay stand out beyond average. Our dropsuits are pretty simple and boring in terms of function in a shooter with the exception of the logi (no sidearm, multiple equipment). Mechs (MTACs) and cloaking are coming eventually (sadly doesn't seem to be anytime soon), but I don't think that will be enough. While i do want mechs and cloaking, they have been done so many times by so many shooters (Halo, Killzone, etc) that I don't think it will be enough. Players have proposed methods of dealing with this: Infantry active modules Fun new equipment that bring exciting new gameplay, teleportation grenades, inertial capacitors I have suggested stargate-like installations CCP, please sprinkle some pizzazz. Right now Dust is a very deep generic shooter, but still generic. I'm a bit leery of things like active infantry modules and jetpacks, but I would personally love to see Dust incorporate more means of movement and interaction with the environment. For example, since you mentioned Titanfall, even with the jump-jets the Pilots get taken out of the equation, you're still able to vault over objects and even grab ledges above you and pull yourself over them. That was also a major mechanic in the Crysis series introduced in Crysis 2, and helped you feel more like you were wearing a badass suit of powered armor rather than just plodding around like normal infantry. Destructible environments would be a pretty big one in my book. The Unreal engine actually has as part of it's code base a kind of "partial destruction" system whereby you can destroy the outer layers of a structure to reveal indestructible architectural elements within. It wouldn't be the same as shooting a house apart or bringing down a building, but putting craters in a wall as you fire at it would make our weapons feel like they aren't pea-shooters. Cat Merc and I are planning a "Mega Thread" and accompanying YouTube video on this topic, but I've been working on an idea for a while now where capturing a District would involve progressing through multiple battles across the District using a lattice system similar to Planetside 2 and regulated in pace by MCC travel time. To give a very brief example: Darkstar Army deploys 2 MCCs down to a District. Each MCC can pick a "burnzone"(since that's what the game calls them when you're in a match) to start an attack in. After a Skirmish 1.0 style battle, the Commander can choose another "burnzone" adjacent to that one, and the attack continues. You keep this up until you reach the central zone, which will have some kind of command structure that requires more teamwork to capture that then gives you control of the District. A big issue we have right now is that no matter how much data the game now gives you on what your fight is doing in the greater New Eden universe, it just doesn't FEEL that way while you're playing. I believe that keeping a 48-player(future) match-based structure but using creative elements to make each match feel like part of a greater fight would go a long way toward setting Dust apart from the pack. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector