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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.18 23:04:00 -
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Game balance reasons:
* Less focus on tanking and encourages diversity in fittings
* Reduces gap between Assault/Logi health and scout
--- Currently, Assaults and Logis focus on stacking as much eHP as they can. The scout tends to use biotics and scanning modules over increased ehp. Guns damage is balanced around Assaults and Logis. These all add up to guns being able to devastate scouts in a very short amount of time.
Physics reasons:
* As more shields/armor are stacked upon one another, there is more area to cover which leads to decreased thickness in each level of extender/plate. Less thickness means bullets can more easily penetrate the extender/plate.
Possible Exception:
* Heavy suits could be exempt from the stacking penalty
--- Cements them as the defensive tanking suit
--- Could be explained by the heavies having built in hardeners that allow it to strengthen the extenders and plates
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
724
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Posted - 2013.11.18 23:36:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:Reducing people's hitpoints will not increase the diversity in fittings. The brick tank is king right now because of the low TTK. If you add in stacking penalties that fact does not change. All it will do is decrease the TTK.
You say it yourself that the scout is using modules other than tanking modules, and then complaining they have low ehp. Thats sort of how module choice works. No, scouts are not in a good place right now, but nerfing armor / shield modules (which scouts themselves would use if they wanted more hitpoints) is not the right approach.
I would also like to point out that in EVE, extenders do not have stacking penalties. Better to keep things working the same in both games and fix scouts a different way imo.
The low TTK already needs to be addressed. And even before, damage stacking + eHP incredibly popular.
It would add more diversity for the same reason people don't regularly stack 4 or 5 damage mods. They would get better usage out of their cpu/pg elsewhere.
There is a difference between low eHP and having 1/3 the health of other suits. With that large of a difference, a scout can get the drop on an opponent, the opponent can slowly turn, and then still handily obliterate the scout.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
724
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Posted - 2013.11.19 00:09:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:-Snip-
I'm not even hiding that this would be a buff to scouts. And there is no sensible buff the scout could receive that would allow it to actually consistently kill (using surprise tactics) without using situational weaponry (knives, shotguns, sniper rifles, etc.)
And as I said previously, this would only be a nerf if CCP failed to balance guns correctly after adding penalties. Ideally, a brick tanked assault vs another brick tanked assault would still kill each other in the same amount of time as they would after TTK is corrected.
This also allows room for other fittings to be more viable. As it stands (even without the low TTK) there is little to no setback to brick tanking. Armor users may lose some speed but, considering speed was marginally useful before AA and completely went out the window afterwards, the loss is minimal.
You still would be able fill your fit with extenders and plates but just like stacking damange mods, kin cats, cardiac regulators, code breakers, and just about every other module, you would suffer from diminishing return.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
724
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Posted - 2013.11.19 03:28:00 -
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Templar 10 wrote:lol Serious??? why not penilise scouts for using more than 1 kenitic biotic under the ussumption that putting to much more on them would physically make there legs fall off. dont bring phisical into a game my friend theres 2 sides to every thing ur basically asking assaults and logis to get nerfed. and scouts to get buffed.
u are a strange little man.
Kinetic Catalyzers have stacking penalties already...
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
725
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Posted - 2013.11.19 12:53:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:increase base HP, and fitting requirements for extenders and plates, lower fitting requirements of all other modules.
This would probably achieve the same result, but would require more time to implement as CCP would need to balance the fitting cost of every single module on the market.
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