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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:40:00 -
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It should still kill them with extreme prejudice.
However I think that a damage AND range nerf wasn't really required.
The range alone would have made an interesting mechanic for swarm launchers, but when people like some of those above me don't understand how a tank should be used, how they should be expected to work together, with other vehicles or infantry.
Well you get what we have here today, just wait a month, if it's too much then we can always completely remove tanks!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:We can only hope that the swarm nerf is balanced against whatever upcoming vehicle changes can't be announced yet. Balanced according to infantry means insta-popped by only ADV swarms with no proficiency and maybe 1 damage mod. Balanced according to infantry means AV not existing at all. You said yourself that you want Tanks to be the best and only way to destroy tanks. Your opinions are not valid here.
Here you go, I had it Favorited for you! 
Monkey Mac wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
Infantry just cannot accept that the best counter to a tank should be another tank. No, it has to be infantry weapons, that are each all more powerful than a turret. That's like saying a 40mm 203 round is more powerful than the main gun of an Abrams.
You are aware you have just asked for tanks to become the very definition of an OverPowered weapon. An overpowered weapon is where 1 weapon is so much more effective than any other weapon that the only way to combat it in 1v1 fights is to weild it. You have offically damned your case forever, real tankers will suffer because of that statememt, more nerf to tanks will now rest squarely on your shoulders. This is not a game where you Spkr4theDead will never enjoy tanking!!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:22:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Frankly OP AV can go suck on a lemon
Over 6months of nerfs vehicle pilots have had to endure, each time the pilots who have stuck around have adapted and changed and adapated and changed and adapated each time
1st time AV has had a nerf in over 6months and they are already giving up and skilling out when he next respec comes, they dont want to adapt and overcome and frankly the majority cant anyways because they are idiots and want a fire and forget weapon which requires no skill
If you give its dumbfire back that means they have to aim and count for missile travel time, or they will spam it onto infantry like last time and infantry cries again, as for it taking out LAVs they wont like that they want to kill tanks with no effort Good tankers are still able to survive PRO AV. Actually, we had lock nerfs not too long ago. Make a video of you soloing a good HAV and good pilot and then tell me how easy it is. Go on, I'm waiting. Lock nerf? you means being able to fire all 3 volleys in 3seconds? quite a buff You can wait forever, like im going to get a capture device to prove a point which has already been made countless times before
Well why don't you just find one then? You can make a point till the cows come home but if you can't prove it, who's gonna listen?
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:32:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Atiim wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Frankly OP AV can go suck on a lemon
Over 6months of nerfs vehicle pilots have had to endure, each time the pilots who have stuck around have adapted and changed and adapated and changed and adapated each time
1st time AV has had a nerf in over 6months and they are already giving up and skilling out when he next respec comes, they dont want to adapt and overcome and frankly the majority cant anyways because they are idiots and want a fire and forget weapon which requires no skill
If you give its dumbfire back that means they have to aim and count for missile travel time, or they will spam it onto infantry like last time and infantry cries again, as for it taking out LAVs they wont like that they want to kill tanks with no effort Good tankers are still able to survive PRO AV. Actually, we had lock nerfs not too long ago. Make a video of you soloing a good HAV and good pilot and then tell me how easy it is. Go on, I'm waiting. Lock nerf? you means being able to fire all 3 volleys in 3seconds? quite a buff You can wait forever, like im going to get a capture device to prove a point which has already been made countless times before Well why don't you just find one then? You can make a point till the cows come home but if you can't prove it, who's gonna listen? It would be just easier if you played PC and find out 1st hand
I have,I see tankers barrel through at god knows what speed butchering scores of infantry, but of course you would never know would you?
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:44:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
I have,I see tankers barrel through at god knows what speed butchering scores of infantry, but of course you would never know would you?
Ive prob played more PC than you tbh and it sounds like you were against duni or something with milita av because i know for a fact against any decent enemies proto AV is out in full force to shut you down
Of course, so because my experiences differ from your's I must either some of noob, that whatever I have seen with my own eyes don't count?
So are you saying i'm
a) a lie-er
b) a noob
c) a deranged madman
You might have played more PC than me you might not, you might have alts, I might have alts. So let's leave it that before I dig out my old critical thinking notebook!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
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Posted - 2013.11.19 16:53:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:reads over comments...   you wanna kitten about each other do it in the war room. the op was simple the nerf to swarm is too extreme to make it a viable anti tank weapon good tankers are like "knight you scrub they were never any good" so then we agree. AV is like "oh knows tank 514!!!!" so then we agree. I proposed a token gesture add a variant or simply remove mandatory lock on all together. because I don't think a nerf should come without a buff dicuss that, not who's the bigger kitten if you'd be so kind.
miowe
Sorry couldn't help myself. Like I said, I don't see why it need both damage and range nerfed.
If they had left the damage, the range would make for an interesting mechanic, I think we would see more av specialist commando suits running WITH squads.
If they had left the range, Swarms would become more of a harassment weapon, that would be used to force HAVs to bug out, not kill them.
As for an eye for an eye buff, dumbfire isn't the way to go. They took it out with good reason,with the exception of HROF rifles we are starting to a semblance of balance. I don't think adding a semi-auto burst mass driver, with anti-vehicle power magnitudes would help.
If they were to add on a variation that was a designated anti-infantry, thus possessing much less power, it would be acceptable.However really I think the thing they need to to swarms, is reduce damage per rocket by 75% but increase number of rockets per swarm by 4
Make me feel like I'm firing a swarm, an actual SWARM!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:08:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:knight of 6 wrote:reads over comments... you wanna kitten about each other do it in the war room. the op was simple the nerf to swarm is too extreme to make it a viable anti tank weapon good tankers are like "knight you scrub they were never any good" so then we agree. AV is like "oh knows tank 514!!!!" so then we agree. I proposed a token gesture add a variant or simply remove mandatory lock on all together. because I don't think a nerf should come without a buff dicuss that, not who's the bigger kitten if you'd be so kind. mioweSorry couldn't help myself. Like I said, I don't see why it need both damage and range nerfed. If they had left the damage, the range would make for an interesting mechanic, I think we would see more av specialist commando suits running WITH squads. If they had left the range, Swarms would become more of a harassment weapon, that would be used to force HAVs to bug out, not kill them. As for an eye for an eye buff, dumbfire isn't the way to go. They took it out with good reason,with the exception of HROF rifles we are starting to a semblance of balance. I don't think adding a semi-auto burst mass driver, with anti-vehicle power magnitudes would help. If they were to add on a variation that was a designated anti-infantry, thus possessing much less power, it would be acceptable.However really I think the thing they need to to swarms, is reduce damage per rocket by 75% but increase number of rockets per swarm by 4 Make me feel like I'm firing a swarm, an actual SWARM! it's not an eye for an eye, the swarm was nerfed for a reason, I suggested dumbfire so you guys wouldn't be totally helpless with it out.
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because I don't think a nerf should come without a buff
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my apologies, i mis interpreted that then.
However my point still stands, against AV removing lock would be that much of buff, but it would make for a ridiculously overpowered AI weapon.
We might even forget about AR514 for a little while!!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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