Many times, people dont even play the objectives, they just tend to stick with good positions and farm kills while quietly losing the fight.

Having both lost and win a good amount of fight, i noticed that winning or losing actually doesnt matter at all. So no wonder some just get in fights to farm kills, acting like it's a giant ambush game.

So why isnt there more serious penalties for losing the fight ? Like halved SP earned, or NO ISK, or no registering the kills done to those people cherished KDR ?

Really, it's frustrating to see a full squad starting a domination game, calling in a DS, flying on top of their MCC and spend 20 minutes sniping.

Many times, people dont even play the objectives, they just tend to stick with good positions and farm kills while quietly losing the fight.

Having both lost and win a good amount of fight, i noticed that winning or losing actually doesnt matter at all. So no wonder some just get in fights to farm kills, acting like it's a giant ambush game.

So why isnt there more serious penalties for losing the fight ? Like halved SP earned, or NO ISK, or no registering the kills done to those people cherished KDR ?

Really, it's frustrating to see a full squad starting a domination game, calling in a DS, flying on top of their MCC and spend 20 minutes sniping.

Your team gets around 2x the isk from winning than losing.

Your team gets around 2x the isk from winning than losing. If you sucked, you'll probably lose money anyway, but if you went top 5 or so on your team you have a much better chance of making significantly better isk if you win.

That said, if you have to suicide a few times increasing your costs, then ofc, the win isn't worth it for you.

Don't punish the team that loses. We've all been stuck on the team that can't or doesn't do jackshit; some more often than others. That's already punishment enough and I don't know about anyone else but if I start getting punished even more by receiving less SP or ISK than what we do now, I'll just stop playing, How about instead of using the stick, how about they use the carrot for a change. Double the SP and ISK gain for the winners; now I know a lot of people first thought is likely to be that this will only benefit the protostompers but they're already making SP and ISK hand over fist (particularly ISK due to PC) that it really won't make much of a difference to them. For the newer players or just the teams facing protostompers, it'll give them something to actually work for.

Many times, people dont even play the objectives, they just tend to stick with good positions and farm kills while quietly losing the fight.

Having both lost and win a good amount of fight, i noticed that winning or losing actually doesnt matter at all. So no wonder some just get in fights to farm kills, acting like it's a giant ambush game.

So why isnt there more serious penalties for losing the fight ? Like halved SP earned, or NO ISK, or no registering the kills done to those people cherished KDR ?

Really, it's frustrating to see a full squad starting a domination game, calling in a DS, flying on top of their MCC and spend 20 minutes sniping.

Hmmm, maybe if there was a WP bonus when fighting near a point your team controlled...similar in range and amount to the bonus you get from fighting near a defend order. I always prefer the carrot to the stick...

Many times, people dont even play the objectives, they just tend to stick with good positions and farm kills while quietly losing the fight.

Having both lost and win a good amount of fight, i noticed that winning or losing actually doesnt matter at all. So no wonder some just get in fights to farm kills, acting like it's a giant ambush game.

So why isnt there more serious penalties for losing the fight ? Like halved SP earned, or NO ISK, or no registering the kills done to those people cherished KDR ?

Really, it's frustrating to see a full squad starting a domination game, calling in a DS, flying on top of their MCC and spend 20 minutes sniping.

Doubling SP and ISK for winners pretty much has the same effect of punishing the losers.

The problem with any kind of 'carrot' option for encouraging people to get involved in games is that it will have no effect. You already get more SP and isk by gaining WP, which is easiest gained by being out on the field hacking things and killing people, even if you die a bit as a consequence.

The 'stick' option would be far more effective: stop any passive SP and active WP gain in the red-line; that way people get nothing by simply sitting back and hiding. If you're not trying to win the game (or at least achieve something), you might as well not be in the game because you're actually making it harder for other people to do well by filling up a team space.

If you want to hang back and 'cover' the rear objective by sniping, fair enough but there should be no 'safe' places where you can hide from the enemy team and still gain from it.