misleading title, i thought you were talking about the BULLSHIT 50 sec cooldown complex shield hardener

Heavys and scouts have the same problem.

Cost too much for so little benefit.

And we die more often.......

Shhh, don't tell them that we have to seriously invest into entire trees in order to be able to combat most things! Cores, weapons, suits, modules, other weapons as backup, equipment...

I kind of like that vehicles are so unsustainable... I'd be happy with a 25% price cut, but I don't ever want it so that you can die and still break even; I'd like it if I could run a profit in my best fit after five matches, though.

While I agree keep something in mind.

In 1.7, most active militia modules offer the exact same benefit at prototype modules but with longer cooldowns or shorter duration. While this means that you will suffer from more downtime while your modules cool down, it also means that your burst tank is very similar to that of a maxed out tank. The Militia HAV has 1 less module than a standard HAV but the exact same base HP.

With that said, one could put together a militia HAV, or even a Standard HAV with militia modules and still have respectable defenses. I think this will help a lot of HAV pilots afford cheap militia tanks that are actually half decent, without breaking the bank.

I realize that this will never happen seeing how it's too late in the development but there should have been two separate xp (sp) systems acrued for each player - one for infantry skill and the other one for vehicles. This way would woulda avoided all this vehicle whinning of ppl that willingly speced into something they cant afford to run.

Yea, because you get the right to earn more money. You field a tank, you risk your tank, just like everyone else with their suits.

Capital ships are not that sustainable as well to lose every battle.

If vehicles had the prices of a dropsuit, a single AV guy should be able to take out one in same timeframe of a Duvolle at point blank range.

Or you explode if you take one AV grenade, i know my proto suit explodes on a Militia Grade grenade, so only fair that if tanks can be spammed like dropsuits, they behave like dropsuits.

I think tankers just don't get the idea, that you can't run proto every match.

What if you could skill into a ISK reduction fitting on the skill tree? 5%-10% discount per level. it is x6, core upgrade. Do it CCP.

No, i'm really good my best KD in a match was with a heavy 65\1.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you.

Back in chrome, tanks were very powerful, but very expensive. In fact, it was almost impossible to profit off of only pubs as a pure breed tanker, but it was possible for those who understood how to tank.

Tanks should not be sustainable for most people at the cost of being less powerful. If a tank costs 500,000 but can't survive an entire round without redljne sniping, then it defeats the purpose of sklljng into it. They need to potentially be god mode for those who put 15,000,000 SP into them and truly understand them. If they r cheap, we'll be seeing tanks take the place of the AR as OP spam weapon.

However, this means that only the best tankers will be paid enough by their corps to spam them, but then again, that is what happens to anything useful.

At the end of the day, if a tank engages only when its hardeners are on and doesn't fight walls of AV, it shouldn't die, except if he is blwtently disregarding the big rule of tanking: don't be a hero.

It worked in Chrome. The good tankers kept their tanks by running- a lot.

Tanks can be cost efficient. To be cost efficient you need the right situation to bring a tank into. You would be foolish for example to bring one into an ambush game where primary combat is happening on multi tiered city like buildings. Such is the blight of the one trick pony.
Even in bad situations i've seen experienced pilots blow through AV lines to come out of the game with 23-0.
Learn the flow of combat, get experience, put the one trick pony out to pasture, and pick up an AR like the rest of the mercs.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, Working as intended. If you wanna be in a vehicle all day everyday, it's gonna cost you some isk.

Shut up until you earn some more.

Well, if you are going to use the best modules and turrets this game has to offer, then no it shouldn't be cost effective at all. In fact, you should be penalized with the ISK cost.

Why don't we make PRO suits and weapons cheap so everyone can afford to run it every match 24/7? That would help balance things

1.) I could do very well in all PRO gear. I just can't afford to run it in anything but PC. Not everyone has a fat stack of cash and an ISK machine know as Molden Heath ya know.

2.) That's really hurtful coming from someone who I've yet to see in a match.

So your saying that PRO modules and gear should be cheaper? No.

(Also, why don't you actually address the argument being given to you instead of resorting to name calling and ad hominem. It usually makes your "argument" seem a whole lot more credible)

i think we all need to come to terms with the fact that only rich players in rich corps will be able to afford to purely spec tanks.

When a newberry comes into Learning Coalition chat and asks me to teach him how to tank, I say "no, get a good infantry game first, because tanking is not sustainable. It will not increase your KDR in accordance with how much isk you will lose in the process." then when they have a G-1 with an AR and their core skills up i consider it, but i dont encourage wannabe tankers to tank. it just makes them into someone who will quit the game.

This alt still exists? I'm surprised. Mintchip and Logibro must have been in a very good mood yesterday.

When going up against tanks using PRO and Complex gear, a STD and ADV Swarm launcher won't cut it.

The tank will just stomp everything. Your point?

Experience involving risk reward scenarios is quite a valid point because knowledge is power. Also whether or not I have more experience than you was not brought up in my original post.

5 Matches for just a suit, no. 2-3 for a proto suit, yes. Sitting on 203 mil. and climbing I feel proto is still far to cheap.
3-5 matches to afford a tank should be fairly acceptable.

This is all coming from a long time Eve player who feels that Dust should have greater consequences for failure. In my head your argument sounds like " why does my battleship not cost the same as a cruiser."