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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:01:00 -
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PFC kind of kills the point of Dust Uni. And they're being targeted as easy meat - so they're not training there guys that well.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.18 07:51:00 -
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Linqded wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:PFC kind of kills the point of Dust Uni. And they're being targeted as easy meat - so they're not training there guys that well. See sota I knew you were just community trash. I bet dust university not only stays around longer but will also be remembered long after youre forgotten. I'm giving this a like - simply because I like how dumb this statement is. Dust University is not training people - PERIOD. Do you see how well they preform in PC? Or anywhere? PFC is a much more organized and reasonable method of teaching people how to play competitively. And if Dust Uni cannot do that they do not need PC districts. They should stick to PFC districts. All they're doing is giving people a word of mouth help ANY CORP COULD GIVE.
You, sir, are ******* ********. Sorry I wasted my time reasoning with you. You're nothing but another fanatic who wants to burden vets with all there problems and troubles.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.18 07:55:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Linqded wrote:Cpt Merdock wrote:Linqded wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:PFC kind of kills the point of Dust Uni. And they're being targeted as easy meat - so they're not training there guys that well. See sota I knew you were just community trash. I bet dust university not only stays around longer but will also be remembered long after youre forgotten. To be honest, two week old players are easy meat. Not saying its nice, or the proper thing to say because its not their fault they are new. No need to call Sota trash just for speaking his mind. I rather someone insult me, and be honest than someone compliment me and lie. and I prefer civility at all times... but people like this guy are an impediment to the growth of the dust community. and it sickens me. how's that for honesty? I appreciate your sentiment. luckily these guys like mr. pop cant extinguish us. all they did was take what we were gonna give away... /shrug now they cant do anything and the uni will continue on. thank you for your support. Don't misunderstand me - what you're doing is great. You're just not special. If you had any competent teams then maybe you could get somewhere 'training' others. But the only thing you're really doing is what anyone else could do - and does. Just because top corps don't go out of there way to do it like you guys doesn't prove or mean anything.
And nothing I said implies you guys should stop trying or die off. Corps wanting to help others are great - but do you really need PC districts to do so?
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.18 07:56:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:PFC kind of kills the point of Dust Uni. And they're being targeted as easy meat - so they're not training there guys that well. we actually train them quite well. tough words calling 2 week old players easy meat... I kind of expected more from a guy who is supposedly noob friendly. Noob friendly in PUBS. PC is a whole nother ball game. Not a place for people who aren't ready.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
253
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Posted - 2013.11.18 07:57:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Linqded wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:PFC kind of kills the point of Dust Uni. And they're being targeted as easy meat - so they're not training there guys that well. See sota I knew you were just community trash. I bet dust university not only stays around longer but will also be remembered long after youre forgotten. I'm giving this a like - simply because I like how dumb this statement is. Dust University is not training people - PERIOD. Do you see how well they preform in PC? Or anywhere? PFC is a much more organized and reasonable method of teaching people how to play competitively. And if Dust Uni cannot do that they do not need PC districts. They should stick to PFC districts. All they're doing is giving people a word of mouth help ANY CORP COULD GIVE. You, sir, are ******* ********. Sorry I wasted my time reasoning with you. You're nothing but another fanatic who wants to burden vets with all there problems and troubles. umm... we let you have those districts... we didn't even show up....like I said you only took what we were giving away. your welcome. You mean to another another corp. And are you saying if you showed up you could of won? Because, if my memory serves, the first match for that district, you barely killed 30 clones before your MCC was destroyed.
If you got a decent team I haven't seen it.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
254
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Posted - 2013.11.18 07:58:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:we planned to give our districts away just before we were accosted by AE.
we pulled out of PC because its an administrative nightmare for our small dedicated staff to train people in the most laughable part of the game.
PC is a joke as it is right now. it's just an isk farm.
we at d uni are not concerned with lining our pockets, only training new mercs so that bigger corps like molon labe and OSG get quality players.
you don't need a planet to do this. as far as PC goes there are better ways to teach it without holding a planet.
and with FW getting a revamp most of our more advanced lessons will be done there.
I really don't understand why another training corp has such disdain for a like minded corp.
I chalk it up to envy and jealousy and I pitty that mentality.
but it doesn't matter the uni shall persevere even in the face of this new unfounded hate we have garnered from a few.
in closing, though I am bemused by the learning coalitions need to flame I still salute them for emulating what the uni founded and applaud there efforts to mimic us. oh - I missed this post. My bad. o.0
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
254
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:01:00 -
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Linqded wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Linqded wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:PFC kind of kills the point of Dust Uni. And they're being targeted as easy meat - so they're not training there guys that well. See sota I knew you were just community trash. I bet dust university not only stays around longer but will also be remembered long after youre forgotten. I'm giving this a like - simply because I like how dumb this statement is. Dust University is not training people - PERIOD. Do you see how well they preform in PC? Or anywhere? PFC is a much more organized and reasonable method of teaching people how to play competitively. And if Dust Uni cannot do that they do not need PC districts. They should stick to PFC districts. All they're doing is giving people a word of mouth help ANY CORP COULD GIVE. You, sir, are ******* ********. Sorry I wasted my time reasoning with you. You're nothing but another fanatic who wants to burden vets with all there problems and troubles. I'm also sorry I wasted my time talking to a try hard! What's wrong with a try hard? It means I'm giving this game my all - while you're just crying. I'm not going to hold every single persons hand. I only tried to reason with you because Vets aren't all the villains they are visioned to be. We all help in our own ways - for a long time.
It's scrubs like you who try to villainies everything that's as bad for this game as anything else. Why blame us for CCP's bad mechanics?
I just helped a squad out today showing them the ropes on how to better enjoy there playstyles - and they were thankful, saying how awesome this game is. What the **** do you do besides cry on the forums? It's because I try hard I can help people in many ways.
Now hop off my **** scrub.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
254
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:06:00 -
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Sorry Seymor - I didn't read everything through and jumped down you with bad conclusions.
I really, really am sorry for my poor conduct.
If you ever need help Dust Uni can always hit me up. I'd be glad to just squad up with your guys and just run around exchanging advice. Even noobs sometimes find gems we vets miss that helps us.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
254
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:09:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Sorry Seymor - I didn't read everything through and jumped down you with bad conclusions.
I really, really am sorry for my poor conduct.
If you ever need help Dust Uni can always hit me up. I'd be glad to just squad up with your guys and just run around exchanging advice. Even noobs sometimes find gems we vets miss that helps us. I may take you up on that offer Sounds like a date.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:11:00 -
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Naedeus wrote:Did Seymor really just make Sota Pop apologize?
Whoa... OSG had a squad in FW 2 days ago that carried a bunch of AV nades. I haven't been stomped on that hard in a while. My poor car - <\3
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:25:00 -
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Naedeus wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Naedeus wrote:Did Seymor really just make Sota Pop apologize?
Whoa... OSG had a squad in FW 2 days ago that carried a bunch of AV nades. I haven't been stomped on that hard in a while. My poor car - <\3 Two days ago I was still part of D-UNI But honestly, to contribute to this post rather than derailing it. This whole spit-spat was started and pushed by the Learning Coalition, all because a couple of their 'leading members' have a bitter taste in their mouths when they were part of Dust University. It's not rocket science, especially with Mister O'Dell making these sort of posts. On top of that, PC has nothing to contribute for our communities new members. Seriously... what benefit does PC have? Sure at the moment it's the only game mode that has friendly fire enabled, but once FW 2.0 comes out... PC won't really have any benefits for training corporations. The directors of D-UNI decided to pull out of PC because it was too stressful, and members inside the corporation weren't actually interested in it. Honestly - the only way to train is trial by fire. But there's a down-side to how Dust Uni does it - or so I would assume. Part of the training is learning cohesion with your fellow mates to better match them and work together. If you're always training with different people then the cohesion can become unstable.
Though if you run all of them enough using the same strategies I'm sure they'd pick up on the dos and don'ts. But after being in PC for half a year now - it's just my opinion that the best way to train is to get your best suit possible and join a real team and practice with them constantly.
But - again - just my opinion. I have no idea how Dust Uni actually trains people.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:32:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Sorry Seymor - I didn't read everything through and jumped down you with bad conclusions.
I really, really am sorry for my poor conduct.
If you ever need help Dust Uni can always hit me up. I'd be glad to just squad up with your guys and just run around exchanging advice. Even noobs sometimes find gems we vets miss that helps us. I may take you up on that offer Sounds like a date. I invite you and any others interested in interacting with our new members for training to add comms.d-uni to your chat bar. also I didn't mention this before (its late I should be in bed) but thank you for the apology. graciously accepted. comms.d-uni ? I'll add it next time I get on.
And thank you for accepting my apology.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
260
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:53:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Naedeus wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Naedeus wrote:Did Seymor really just make Sota Pop apologize?
Whoa... OSG had a squad in FW 2 days ago that carried a bunch of AV nades. I haven't been stomped on that hard in a while. My poor car - <\3 Two days ago I was still part of D-UNI But honestly, to contribute to this post rather than derailing it. This whole spit-spat was started and pushed by the Learning Coalition, all because a couple of their 'leading members' have a bitter taste in their mouths when they were part of Dust University. It's not rocket science, especially with Mister O'Dell making these sort of posts. On top of that, PC has nothing to contribute for our communities new members. Seriously... what benefit does PC have? Sure at the moment it's the only game mode that has friendly fire enabled, but once FW 2.0 comes out... PC won't really have any benefits for training corporations. The directors of D-UNI decided to pull out of PC because it was too stressful, and members inside the corporation weren't actually interested in it. Honestly - the only way to train is trial by fire. But there's a down-side to how Dust Uni does it - or so I would assume. Part of the training is learning cohesion with your fellow mates to better match them and work together. If you're always training with different people then the cohesion can become unstable. Though if you run all of them enough using the same strategies I'm sure they'd pick up on the dos and don'ts. But after being in PC for half a year now - it's just my opinion that the best way to train is to get your best suit possible and join a real team and practice with them constantly. But - again - just my opinion. I have no idea how Dust Uni actually trains people. this is great advice, and the leadership does realize that coming to PC with slapped together squads of players who don't know each others playstyle is a disaster waiting to happen. but this is where I think we may be misunderstood.... the very nature of our corp is to train the basics and some advanced level mechanics.... but its mostly basics. we are a neutral training corp with no desire of being a player in PC. getting into PC was all thanks to Truexer0z who just wanted to show new players what they are training towards and to give those corps on the brink of being ready for competitive PC a chance to get their feet wet in it before facing the big dogs. purely charitable. that's it. we BELIEVE in this game and its future and we just want to do our part in cultivating the community. we love dust and eve. having squads that always play together would be great ( we have plans to do this) but our staff is to small to serve our large corp in this manner at this time. but we do squad up with our players often, answer their questions, and show them squad tactics. we hold lectures, even have members of CCP come in to talk with our members. we try to prepare a merc to join a competitive corp or to start their own. we want our players to move on. so cohesive squads becomes a conundrum: how do you have a dedicated squad of mercs in a corp that wants you to go to another corp? I understand better now, thanks for taking the time to explain. Sounds like the best solution for you guys on the squad issue is to handle it like military drills - it only takes a few times seeing it done before you catch on. "Go here, make sure this spot is clear, scan, set up links in spots here for these reasons. Move to this point, clear it, and see how your team is pushing. Keep close, never leaving each other more then shooting distance." sort of thing. It helps create cohesion quicker - and is a method both STB and Imps used in the past on new recruits to catch them up quickly to be PC ready.
Just an idea though - you probably already do this.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
260
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Posted - 2013.11.18 08:58:00 -
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Naedeus wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Honestly - the only way to train is trial by fire. But there's a down-side to how Dust Uni does it - or so I would assume. Part of the training is learning cohesion with your fellow mates to better match them and work together. If you're always training with different people then the cohesion can become unstable.
Though if you run all of them enough using the same strategies I'm sure they'd pick up on the dos and don'ts. But after being in PC for half a year now - it's just my opinion that the best way to train is to get your best suit possible and join a real team and practice with them constantly.
But - again - just my opinion. I have no idea how Dust Uni actually trains people.
Not jumping at you, you're opinion is certainly correct. Not everyone is going to learn the same way as everyone else. Some will learn by reading guides, others will learn by seeing - then doing - and still others will learn by throwing themselves at the fray to figure out the do's and don'ts of DUST 514. D-UNI has a lot of ways they train people, lectures happen to be one of our known avenues. So if you're up to it, Sota, you can contact their Director of Education (Sherrad Ventonii) about doing a guest lecture in whatever it is you specialize in. Lectures are typically 45 minutes with a 15 minute Q&A session at the end. I'll do just that - I'll also hit up friends to see if they're interested in joining me in helping. I'll get them to join the channel so then can help on there free time as well. No promises though, a lot of people are frustrated with the game.
But I definitely want to contribute a bit more. I even plan to make my own corp eventually who won't be just vets, but people of like minded agendas of improving themselves.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.18 09:34:00 -
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Naedeus wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: I'll do just that - I'll also hit up friends to see if they're interested in joining me in helping. I'll get them to join the channel so then can help on there free time as well. No promises though, a lot of people are frustrated with the game.
But I definitely want to contribute a bit more. I even plan to make my own corp eventually who won't be just vets, but people of like minded agendas of improving themselves.
Honestly, we've all gotten to that frustration bit. Those of us who are still around (at least in terms of veteran players) are here either because they like inflicting pain on themselves, or because they actually care for the potential this game has. Sticking through it, and helping newer players based on our experiences is really a good way to retain players, in my opinion. But either way, good luck on your endeavor to create a corporation that's focused on improving themselves. Honestly, people like destroying things that can benefit others, and it would not surprise me if you had a few enemies quietly plotting, especially now with this particular statement you came forwards with. Don't want to be that guy, but I'll be that guy for the sake of it being four in the morning (at the time of this post.) The meta-game is alive, and well. Any corp I make will have security nets. AE and OH would probably leave me alone and I could get ringers pretty easily to beat most other corps. Guys i've played with for over a year and with each other.
My only problem is funding. Lol
And my public image is a problem too - too much trolling. Bout time I toned it down.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:55:00 -
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This is silly - why doesn't the learning coalition *LOL* work with Dust Uni? Same goals - different views - doesn't mean the two have to collide just because Char is bored.
Learning Coalition is meant to help the community and players, right? So why build conflict with a like-minded group?
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:14:00 -
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Dachande Anasazi wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:This is silly - why doesn't the learning coalition *LOL* work with Dust Uni? Same goals - different views - doesn't mean the two have to collide just because Char is bored.
Learning Coalition is meant to help the community and players, right? So why build conflict with a like-minded group? D-Uni is a dictatorship. (And they say that upfront.) So it is a good spot to train but many laid back players get frustrated because it is just a game. (And to be fair they say it right there in the welcome msg) In a nutshell: Remember what got you kicked from ZionTCD? All remember all the trouble u got into? The TYPES of personalities involved. Same thing here. And in the end I still talk to ZionTCD and have helped them in PC.
They run things differently then you do - that's fine, that's why others turn to you. But to cause conflict over ideals on how things should get done just takes steps backwards for both groups.
Some people want to feel a part of something while learning for the experience - others want the freedom to just ask for advice. There's nothing wrong with either approach.
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