PFC kind of kills the point of Dust Uni. And they're being targeted as easy meat - so they're not training there guys that well.

and I prefer civility at all times... but people like this guy are an impediment to the growth of the dust community. and it sickens me.

how's that for honesty?

I'm giving this a like - simply because I like how dumb this statement is. Dust University is not training people - PERIOD. Do you see how well they preform in PC? Or anywhere? PFC is a much more organized and reasonable method of teaching people how to play competitively. And if Dust Uni cannot do that they do not need PC districts. They should stick to PFC districts. All they're doing is giving people a word of mouth help ANY CORP COULD GIVE.

You, sir, are ******* ********. Sorry I wasted my time reasoning with you. You're nothing but another fanatic who wants to burden vets with all there problems and troubles.

Sorry Seymor - I didn't read everything through and jumped down you with bad conclusions.

I really, really am sorry for my poor conduct.

If you ever need help Dust Uni can always hit me up. I'd be glad to just squad up with your guys and just run around exchanging advice. Even noobs sometimes find gems we vets miss that helps us.

Sounds like a date.

Honestly - the only way to train is trial by fire. But there's a down-side to how Dust Uni does it - or so I would assume. Part of the training is learning cohesion with your fellow mates to better match them and work together. If you're always training with different people then the cohesion can become unstable.

Though if you run all of them enough using the same strategies I'm sure they'd pick up on the dos and don'ts. But after being in PC for half a year now - it's just my opinion that the best way to train is to get your best suit possible and join a real team and practice with them constantly.

But - again - just my opinion. I have no idea how Dust Uni actually trains people.

What's the public channel?

You are welcome to pick one of the many corps I'm involved with because I don't consider myself part of any one group.

Its just good buisness....you just happend to be on the receiving end of us and AE

im sorry if i did not care for dust uni enough to realize they lost all their districts. like really. give a guy a break

SoTa when you squad with some of these idiots you'll see how disrespectful they are to some noobs. There is one thing calling a n00b a n00b or tellling them to step up. A whole diff thing when you're just a disrespectful human being. EVEN in pub play.

I was squaded with them in D-Uni for a pub. One of the guys (who shall remained unnamed) takes the game waaayyyy to seriously.

And don;t let me get started on "POLICY" bullshit.

The Uni overall is/was (based on current times) a great place to get your feet wet in PC.

The only person who I talked negatively about was you. Honestly, don't talk to people in your squad like you're something big because you have a position in a fake game university.

You're like Aldan MINUS the skills.

I've put a secret alt or 2 into dust uni and they're still the same a55-holes they have been for quite some time. Act like a newberry and you're told that you're an idiot. There are no classes to speak of and the advice I did get was absolutely ********: "go minmitar assault they said. you'll speed tank they said." lol. just no.

Some of their leadership take this game and their positions way too seriously.

For those of you who want to see how a real training organization is run, check out Learning Coalition chat. It works because it is decentralized and many people from many corps congregate within it to help the newberries. Nobody is in charge and nobody is superior to anyone else when they have something to say.

Also, a lot of the people in our chat are PC vets who know what they're talking about. Realists; not lore-fanbois WHO THINK MN ASSAULT WITH KITKATS IS A GOOD IDEA because it works in eve.

Yea you were also named. And I said you was cool.

The only negative things I said about anyone was Truexeroz and that was more for ***** and giggles. I said he needed to work on trash talking skills lol. And I suggested that Reevira not talk like a MOM.

The other was Nadeus... (And honestly he was talking to others like that. It was an observation).

As for you dude. I said Good stuff (yea I did squad with you and twice in training I believe)...soooooo...... yea. No need to attack me. And overall what I said about the UNI was GOOD.

THe review I wrote said D-Uni was a cool place to be.

I did write negatively on CERTAIN people. You were NOT one of them. OVERALL most the people were COOL including you, prometheus, thaiceman etc.

However SOME individuals, really take the whole "university" thing to their head and kinda ruin the experience for new comers. And one I extensively wrote about was Nadeus.

Clear now?

Trust me..I am far from a pacifist. I just don't feed troll posts by trolls, but I will just once here.

Most of the people spewing hate are a joke to everyone but themselves. Char trying to self promote an organization run by a former D-Uni director that had a mental break down before he left. Promising to say the least. Talking about how he couldn't sleep at night because he was afraid I was out to get him and I was making him physically ill. What a joke. I barely even talked to the guy. Don't believe it? I have the e-mails he sent just before he rage quit and started his little vendetta learning coalition. Just another disgruntled ex member trying to ride the coat tails of an organization he wishes he never left.

For the rest of the people out there that may have had a bad experience is because you didn't take the time to ever see what was really there to offer. Or, you didn't take the time to actually talk with people to know what's up. But, I could honestly care less what anyone thinks about the organization I am a part of. Just a drama filled joke with you trolls written all over it.

Most of you who came in the uni and left in a negative state was because you were too lazy to find the opportunities we offer for yourselves. You want people to hold you hand then you came to the wrong place. We are here to help people not baby them. Read the welcome mail, use our forums, contact the people that are here to help. We have Lectures at least 2-3 times a week. Events happen everyday.

Aww you got upset when I yelled at you when you utterly failed in PC match and didn't do what you were supposed to or followed the orders of your squad leaders? Oh, or did I curse too much and it burned your virgin ears? ****ing crybabies. I take this game too seriously? Or is it I am so dumbfounded that some people (Not all) are so brain dead that they can't follow simple instructions or abide by the rules of a specific organization. And you want to join a competitive corp that is focused on team play and following the commands of your squad and team leaders. HAHA.

But it is ok, sit here on your forums and spit your sewage to our community so that any new member who has a brain logs in and see your ignorance and immediately find something else. Self defecating bunch of jerks. You run people off and try to mess with establishments that are in the business of helping the community, then have the gull to complain and say this game is dying. lol.

I could go on and on, but I doubt most of you read this far without responding with some not really that funny, but will be blown up to be troll post.

"You mad bro?" Maybe a little. But, no one cares. So I will go back to my corner of Dust 514 and try my best to help this game grow. With our without the communities' support.

Oh and PS: We didn't fight for those districts. We no showed because we couldn't care less.

PPS: Char, been in IG for a while now, nothing goes on..no activity, no forum activity, Anything of note is a bunch of guides written by one guy who maybe plays 1 or 2 hours a week. And, isn't very good.

I don't I ever called you as @s$....sorry if I did, these forums can get confusing.

As for staff, like I said most the staff was cool dude.

One example I was talking about: I ask to go into ONE game of ambush. Got no reply, I shrugged it off (I really didn't care). Another person in squad said, "Hey some guy (meaning me) just asked for an ambush" The squad leader who is also a staff member (and keep in mind this is a PUB so no need to flip) says, I HEARD IT THE FIRST TIME DUDE... (In a really b**** voice).

That is one example. Me, didn't care. The other guy was really put off but he kept quiet cuz he was new.

Also on another issue sometimes I was shut down with the threat that they were STAFF and I wasn't (even though I was invited to be part of the edu dept). This particular staff took being a staff member as if he was an ACTUALLY dean of a UNI and quoted "Policy". I was like w/e

FOR EXAMPLE

I asked if a PC was meta lvl 2 or an unlimited training. Because I did not want to do meta lvl 2 and if it was unlimited would change my schedule around to participate. I explained to him that I had real life things that I would compromise with before hand if it was an unlimited match. Staff quoted policy - that they cannot announce type of match until it is 1 hr b4 start. I asked if there was somewhere I can address this policy andto whom. I was told all these policies have been discussed.

Now I understand there is an obvious reason to have w/e policy. But I did not want to discuss it with him. I wished to discuss it with people who made such policies. And THEN if they chose to keep the same policy. THen power to them, they obviously know OTHER sides of the administrating business (which I don't). But I just wanted to bring it to their attention (just in case it wasn't). I did not want to ***** about the policy, because, and anyone whose held a job before knows this, administration takes many things into account.
But this dude just went on a power trip...sooo...yea...

I decided not to play that match anyways. And someone in SPEC OPS (battuff- cool guy) told me that it was meta lvl 2 privately.

Are you telling me to HTFU over criticism I've given towards, not you, but your corpsmate. And keep in mind it was criticism NOT a reason I left I left because I wanted to do other stuff.

Again OVERALL the D-uni is a great place and a good place to train. SOME staff let being a "staff" go to their head and I think that is in ALL corps of ALL games. They compensate for short comings in RL. And NO clan/corp/guild can control that in any game if they are really big (in ANY GAME).

Sooooo please chill out.

And my review said D-Uni was a GOOD place. The only thing/person that got negative things said about them was Nadeus. (I joked about truexeroz) and everyone else from thaiceman to people I cannot remember got good reviews.

so....yea dude... I think you're just projecting with the HTFU. But I'll let it go because this thread was made to troll you (by learning corp) and the way you're acting, you got trolled. So HTFU against trolls dude.

I'm not going to comment on this whole he said this/that/when Chinese whispers because I'm not not one to stifle personal expression (unless it gets hurtful or personal) and its impossible to police said expression in the semi anonimous worlds of the internet. Another reason is that I left school a quarter of a century ago...

Plus players tend to adopt a 'Forum Warrior' stance in these threads, that 99 times out of 100 is usually completely contrary to how they actually are when you speak to them over Comms..

As to the review that was posted and spoken of here, it was generally favourable to the UNI, that much is true, but there was reference to a member of D-UNI being referenced as to a female dog which I found rather distasteful so I reported the post. As anyone in D-UNI will testify, I have a zero tolerance attitude to harassment of female players in my corp and that extends to the forums as well. Call me old fashioned in that regard if you want but I'm not going to apologise for it.

But threads like this do make me smile if for one reason only. They demonstrate a level of passion for the game, a game that I might remind you, is generally considered as unfinished, lacking in significant features and on the wrong format (get it on PS4 ASAP CCP). It's a passion I share and one that allows me to talk for over an hour in Q&A's and podcasts, even when there's no new content.

It's part of the reason I want to stand for the CPM when the elections come and am prepared for my real name being out there as a result and not hide behind an avatar any more.

Unlike DUST University, the Learning Coalition is not a Dictatorship. What one of our members dose on their own time is of no concern to the rest of the council. It does not mean we all approve.

Considering I built the Education Department in DUST University to what it was as of September, I would say that the Learning Coalition reflects my influence rather than being a copy of DUST University.

I am fairly sure that CharCharOdellGÇÖs need to flame predates the formation of the Learning Coalition by a good bit. Working with a Troll is always exciting.

This is silly - why doesn't the learning coalition *LOL* work with Dust Uni? Same goals - different views - doesn't mean the two have to collide just because Char is bored.

Learning Coalition is meant to help the community and players, right? So why build conflict with a like-minded group?

Ehhhh that can be debated

but nonetheless, Let's all agree to let this thread die in a hole known as the war room.