DUST Search - Feedback: Sniper Rifle's do not tier well.

AAGMUNDR wrote:

Obligatory post by me in a sniper thread.

Proto tac sniper with 3 complex damage mods and prof 3 plus. 5 if you can of course.

With that you will be two shotting or three shotting most suits. That plus the increased zoom allows for better target acquisition, including headshots.

The small magazine size may be a turn off but even with frequent reloading you'll be putting more consistent damage down range over a shooter amount of time than the charge variant.

You'll be 2-3 shotting most hp tanked suits with the charge anyway so you may as we'll take the tactical variant for the higher rate of fire, the greatly increased zoom, the near complete lack of recoil and the fact that you can blast out those second and third kill shots before they can even react and reach cover.

As far as tier scaling goes, I'm a little on the fence. As a dedicated sniper, of course I would love to have acces to something Thale like at proto tier. But at the same time I think being able to one shot with a body shot from outside of someone's render distance is not fun on either end of the scope.

And as always, if you are planning on doing sniping full time, I can't recommend getting a mouse and keyboard enough.

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Samantha Hunyz Clones Of The Damned 4	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:05:00 - [1] - Quote Virtually all weapons at any tier can go through 1 magazine to kill an enemy of equal suit or less. The AR, and scrambler rifle half a magazine against any tier suit, even higher. This is even with little to no damage mods. While the charge can just about 2 shot most proto suits, it's mechanic on fire on release is a slower reaction time than fire on press. I can go against proto's with the issue one, proficiency 5, 1 or 2 complex damage mods, use a full magazine of 5 every bullet connecting and players still can casually walk away after being slightly annoyed. At the same time that is roughly 25% of my ammo capacity used up. Even if I get a kill after as little as 3 kills, that is a huge chunk to my small ammo capacity. This is why the only true proto weapon is the Thales (although I've never got one). The zoom on it combined with the necessary stopping power, and the fire on click make it the only one enemies even bothered to care getting shot by. I don't have a solution to this issue, just pointing out the flaws that makes a non thale sniper useless in end game context.
Joel II X AHPA 164	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:16:00 - [2] - Quote The only ones getting bothered by Thale's hits are properly fitted heavies. The rest die in one hit. But yeah, snipers might need a slight buff. Slight.
Samantha Hunyz Clones Of The Damned 4	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:23:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The only ones getting bothered by Thale's hits are properly fitted heavies. The rest die in one hit. But yeah, snipers might need a slight buff. Slight. I agree, it has to be done carefully. range seems to be too much on the thale. So I wouldn't add that in, and damage increase would need to be modest to prevent them being overly powerful. I think a good fix would be +10-20 ammo and damage, than adjust from there if they are still too weak.
Samantha Hunyz Clones Of The Damned 4	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:39:00 - [4] - Quote Actually looking closer, if the charge can two shot the average proto to player, the Kaalakiota should have the damage of the ishukone, and the ishukone should be somewhere between the Kaalakiota and the charge. Leaving the charge alone of course. This combined with 10+ ammo, or ammo capacity giving 3+ rounds per level instead of a percentage (this makes skilling into it desirable).
Sky Kage Clones Of The Damned 60	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:55:00 - [5] - Quote Normally takes me 2-3 shots from my tac sniper to take down adv suits and 4-6 shots to take down a proto suit.(counting all as chest shots.) a slight buff to ammo capacity or damage would be nice. (prof 1, 3 dam mods) I die alot AND have fun... Who knew?
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 217	Posted - 2013.11.18 03:55:00 - [6] - Quote I'll direct you to my signature Who cares what some sniper has to say
George Moros Area 514 182	Posted - 2013.11.18 06:14:00 - [7] - Quote Joel II X wrote: The only ones getting bothered by Thale's hits are properly fitted heavies. The rest die in one hit. But yeah, snipers might need a slight buff. Slight. OK, an "unproperly" fitted heavy, with 0 investment in any hitpoint related skill has 960 base HP. Please, show me a Thale's fit that does 960+ damage per shot. Thale's is an excellent weapon, but far from being able to OHK anything but a heavy. Any, and I mean ANY properly fitted, and decently skilled medium advanced suit will survive one body shot from Thale's. Pulvereus ergo queritor.
dmitri soroka The Generals EoN. 16	Posted - 2013.11.18 08:02:00 - [8] - Quote George Moros wrote: Joel II X wrote: The only ones getting bothered by Thale's hits are properly fitted heavies. The rest die in one hit. But yeah, snipers might need a slight buff. Slight. OK, an "unproperly" fitted heavy, with 0 investment in any hitpoint related skill has 960 base HP. Please, show me a Thale's fit that does 960+ damage per shot. Thale's is an excellent weapon, but far from being able to OHK anything but a heavy. Any, and I mean ANY properly fitted, and decently skilled medium advanced suit will survive one body shot from Thale's. Just a thought maybe a head shot doubles a hit point? you know double the dmage + Not sure exactly how much double it does when hit boxes register properly. So if i use a sub machine gun and aim for head, it does usually about 10% of shield/armor hit dmg. So theoretically speaking depending how math work in DUST514. In theory head shots should register by-passing shield. As i noticed with pistol it dose armor dmg when you head shot some one vs shield. So yu bypass shield and go straight for armor. FYI do not ask some one to prove something, show facts, it is easy to say show me the proof. But to stand behind your own words you need facts, so do not just post random idiot posts to get points. :)
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 94	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:17:00 - [9] - Quote George Moros wrote: Joel II X wrote: The only ones getting bothered by Thale's hits are properly fitted heavies. The rest die in one hit. But yeah, snipers might need a slight buff. Slight. OK, an "unproperly" fitted heavy, with 0 investment in any hitpoint related skill has 960 base HP. Please, show me a Thale's fit that does 960+ damage per shot. Thale's is an excellent weapon, but far from being able to OHK anything but a heavy. Any, and I mean ANY properly fitted, and decently skilled medium advanced suit will survive one body shot from Thale's. I don't know George ... I have medium fits that are about six hundred HP's and my snipers are over five and I have been one shot by a Thale before . Now a properly fitted heavy is a different story . Without any armor or shields my heavy's are over twelve hundred Hp's and I have been two to three shot by a Thale before ( because I was trying to take cover and the sniper anticipated my movements ) I have Thale's but I just don't use them . I like a challenge and to one shot people all day or game , to me would be boring . But that's just me . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Ferindar Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 81	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:06:00 - [10] - Quote I have only two Thales ever since the salvage change effectively removed them from the game. I usually make do with the Charge (3 complex and proficiency 3) The time in between shots means I have to land a headshot, or they'll just get out of my line of view. With these new maps, that's far too easy. The only place where I really get double digit kills with a Sniper remains the classic maps. My average shot does about 300 damage to shields. A headshot would be around 500. Sniper rifles do need to tier better. Tactical Snipers should get either a larger clip or more max ammo. Standard snipers should hit a bit harder. Thale's is currently fine as it is, the rest just need to catch up a bit with all these massive HP suits. *I am the middle finger of God. You may call me a Sniper.*

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1128	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:10:00 - [11] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: I'll direct you to my signature Point on the doll where Thale touched you. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1128	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:11:00 - [12] - Quote Replace the Ishukone with the Thale's Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Idont Knoweither Triple Terrors 3	Posted - 2013.11.18 19:21:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: I'll direct you to my signature Point on the doll where Thale touched you. "Bad touch! Bad touuuch!!!"
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 507	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:12:00 - [14] - Quote Honestly giving Snipers more buffs are pointless, Charged and Thales are already 1 shotting my proto suit. No need for ADV gear to be doing it. I remember in 1 game there being a Sniper on the ******* MCC, camping on anyone near the objective.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 97	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:31:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: I'll direct you to my signature Point on the doll where Thale touched you. That $*1^ was FUNNY !!!! " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
AAGMUNDR Reliable Overwatch Inc. 270	Posted - 2013.11.19 01:10:00 - [16] - Quote Obligatory post by me in a sniper thread. Proto tac sniper with 3 complex damage mods and prof 3 plus. 5 if you can of course. With that you will be two shotting or three shotting most suits. That plus the increased zoom allows for better target acquisition, including headshots. The small magazine size may be a turn off but even with frequent reloading you'll be putting more consistent damage down range over a shooter amount of time than the charge variant. You'll be 2-3 shotting most hp tanked suits with the charge anyway so you may as we'll take the tactical variant for the higher rate of fire, the greatly increased zoom, the near complete lack of recoil and the fact that you can blast out those second and third kill shots before they can even react and reach cover. As far as tier scaling goes, I'm a little on the fence. As a dedicated sniper, of course I would love to have acces to something Thale like at proto tier. But at the same time I think being able to one shot with a body shot from outside of someone's render distance is not fun on either end of the scope. And as always, if you are planning on doing sniping full time, I can't recommend getting a mouse and keyboard enough.
Samantha Hunyz Clones Of The Damned 8	Posted - 2013.11.19 01:23:00 - [17] - Quote AAGMUNDR wrote: Obligatory post by me in a sniper thread. Proto tac sniper with 3 complex damage mods and prof 3 plus. 5 if you can of course. With that you will be two shotting or three shotting most suits. That plus the increased zoom allows for better target acquisition, including headshots. The small magazine size may be a turn off but even with frequent reloading you'll be putting more consistent damage down range over a shooter amount of time than the charge variant. You'll be 2-3 shotting most hp tanked suits with the charge anyway so you may as we'll take the tactical variant for the higher rate of fire, the greatly increased zoom, the near complete lack of recoil and the fact that you can blast out those second and third kill shots before they can even react and reach cover. As far as tier scaling goes, I'm a little on the fence. As a dedicated sniper, of course I would love to have acces to something Thale like at proto tier. But at the same time I think being able to one shot with a body shot from outside of someone's render distance is not fun on either end of the scope. And as always, if you are planning on doing sniping full time, I can't recommend getting a mouse and keyboard enough. Most other weapons can kill effectively with one magazine and no damage mods. This discussion is about bringing the sniper rifle is in line with that idea. Take the gallente scout suit with only one high slot. It is perfectly built for sniping, yet yet across the tiers it doesn't stand a chance as a single magazine isn't enough to make it worth using the sniper. Damage mods is something that should be discussed else where.
Samantha Hunyz Clones Of The Damned 8	Posted - 2013.11.19 04:19:00 - [18] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Honestly giving Snipers more buffs are pointless, Charged and Thales are already 1 shotting my proto suit. No need for ADV gear to be doing it. I remember in 1 game there being a Sniper on the ******* MCC, camping on anyone near the objective. If a charge is one shotting you its either A) a well placed headset, or B) using 3 or more damage mods. The most damage mods I can use is 2, and have proficiency at 5.It takes 2 charged shots with minimum to score a hard earned kill. That is charging the weapon and try to readjust aim as a target I shoot at is trying to get away or at least to cover. At the same time I don't want it sniping to be easy mode, but proto suits with complex health mods with complex multiple ways to repair need to come into account for how much a weapon is effective. Across the board, many weapons can still kill easily with all of these variables, and without use for damage mods. Weapons that force you to use damage mods at all to be effective are simply are not effective weapons. Damage mods should enhance your killing ability, not be the deciding factor to if you can kill in a reasonable amount of time. I can kill photos with a militia assault rifle with no skills invested quicker than I can usually kill the same player with my proto sniper. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.


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