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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1084	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:18:00 - [1] - Quote What do you plan on doing when these vehicles are removed? If they give you a respec of these skills (they better do it); will you save the SP to skill into another role? What do you think about them being removed? Would you rather have them stay in the game while they are being worked on? On a scale ot 0 to >9000, how angry are you about the vehicle classes being removed? -HAND Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7684	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:20:00 - [2] - Quote I'll prep for the return of my dropships and stomp noobs with my exile in the meantime Story / Vids / OSG
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 364	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:21:00 - [3] - Quote Enforcer pilots ... lol Edit: Nothing against a dmg mod falchion, or a hybrid tanked vayu, but still ... lol
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 560	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:23:00 - [4] - Quote I am going to take all that SP, sprinkle enough to get a gk.0 logi, and put the rest all into turrets. I already have enough SP to max out both sets of vehicle skills. The only question is if it is even going to be worth it to spec rails, or if Missile and Blaster will be the only ones that count because rails will be crap until we get rendering fixes, which won't happen on this console. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 486	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:23:00 - [5] - Quote Over 9000 *-Minmatar Scout-* *-Minmatar Logistics-* *-Mass Driver and Sniper Rifle Expert-*
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 213	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:47:00 - [6] - Quote 7500 Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 959	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:51:00 - [7] - Quote If the refund will happen, i'll try my AV on other vehicles, then i'll decide if it's good or not to spec in vehicles again, my only anger is on ADS, but they will make their appearance again, maybe. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 180	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:51:00 - [8] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Over 9000 http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/204/6/d/Its_Over_9000_by_QuickstertheHedgehog.jpg "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 267	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:52:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: What do you plan on doing when these vehicles are removed? If they give you a respec of these skills (they better do it); will you save the SP to skill into another role? What do you think about them being removed? Would you rather have them stay in the game while they are being worked on? On a scale ot 0 to >9000, how angry are you about the vehicle classes being removed? -HAND ADS Pilot I'm going to wait out a few weeks to a month for CCP to fix the inevitable bugs/nerfs/misc. alterations that will come after 1.7. After everything settles, and if my beloved Python has yet to return to be, I'll still skill into dropships and play the role of glorified elevator/ blockade-runner dropping links and such. Other than that, I might skill into scouts or something. I'm still holding out for dropships and I expect the reintroduction of the specialist dropships SOON. I'm bummed that they're bring removed but I understand why, getting back to basics and all I guess. Yes. 0; I'm not angry, just bummed out and slightly frustrated. But all in all, it's just a game and CCP are trying to make it better. I'll just let them do it and hope for the best. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 836	Posted - 2013.11.17 19:54:00 - [10] - Quote I'm zero angry because I know it really makes sense to recreate the whole darn vehicle system with basic components - and add specializations back afterwards. Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:

Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 57	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:02:00 - [11] - Quote I will probably skill into my core skills enough that I can fit a tanked dropship with a CRU (Fantastic for tactical play on bigger maps), and I love dropships. What irritated me though is, based on the proposed skill changes, the total multiplier for max armor skills (11x) vs max shields (8x). That is almost a 1M SP difference! Also I don't think small turrets should have the same SP requirement as large ones and the segregation of turret skills. The segregation is great in the short run ( it keeps people from maxing out the limited number of turret quickly), but in the long run it will be a massive SP sink. Think about full content release, there should be short and long range versions of missiles, hybrids, lasers, and projectile weapons then a large and small turret. With separated skills each takes 5.9M SP to master (total of x19 multiplier), all turret skills would require 94.5M SP :P If you use boosts and earn on average 2M SP a month it would take you about 47 months to do, and that is just turrets. I wouldn't mind seeing assault dropships gone if they made all dropships have that amount of agility and greatly improved their ability to earn WP with support actions. Then created an entirely new class of air vehicle for attack roles which would use the same flight idea as dropships but a redesigned chassis for assault action such as 3 forward facing turrets.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1455	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:08:00 - [12] - Quote I put my dropships away so I'm not sad. I just hope they refund all vehicle skills.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 959	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:10:00 - [13] - Quote I also hope that they will sell all my vehicles and vehicles related stuff to earn some dirty cash... "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1665	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:11:00 - [14] - Quote I'm saving up for my amarr dropships.......unless my urge to waste sp wins in wich case it'll probably be dumped into something utterly useless...... "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Spycrab Potato Hold-Your-Fire 556	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:11:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: What do you plan on doing when these vehicles are removed? If they give you a respec of these skills (they better do it); will you save the SP to skill into another role? What do you think about them being removed? Would you rather have them stay in the game while they are being worked on? On a scale ot 0 to >9000, how angry are you about the vehicle classes being removed? -HAND I main-pilot a Limbus named Sarah. 1. I plan on doing what I do anyway, play dust about once every two weeks. 2. I'll probably just put the SP back. 3. If they come back soon (2 months tops) and better, I'm all for it. 4. Yes 5. Over 9000 My Limbus' name is Sarah. My Freedom's name is Jeremi. They both would like to say hi.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 136	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:21:00 - [16] - Quote I'm using my banked SP to buy the expensive (Level 4/5 skills) to finish up my Logi support skills (Nanocircuitry, Active Scanners, etc) Then I will skill into Vehicles (Dropships) again the hard way. This is mostly because my Dropship love is recent, whereas my Logi-ing is a long-suffering obsession.
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 194	Posted - 2013.11.17 20:21:00 - [17] - Quote I guess you could say that I'm an LLAV guy. Initially they were the only reason I had made the decision to skill into Vehicles at all because the notion that I could use a car as a support vehicle for my team really appealed to me. I was disappointed when I found their remote modules to be hilariously convoluted and so I ran around with an LAV + Missile Turret gunner from that point on. Back in the earlier builds of the game (pre-missile nerf) this was actually a seriously scary and viable setup. The car was popped by AV nades fairly quickly but we had the fire power to make the role work. Light Attack Vehicles were ATTACK vehicles back then. The changes to 1.7 to various modules, the nerf of the effectiveness of AV, and the buff to LAV base HP and Shield Regen gives me hope that I can return to this role rather than resorting to Tanks for any sort of compelling vehicle play. Frankly, I couldn't be happier with them being removed and reworked when I'm looking at the return of the LAV on the battlefield as a result. 1.7 LAVs - Thoughts and Discussion
Sylwester Dziewiecki 200	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:05:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: What do you plan on doing when these vehicles are removed? If they give you a respec of these skills (they better do it); will you save the SP to skill into another role? What do you think about them being removed? Would you rather have them stay in the game while they are being worked on? On a scale ot 0 to >9000, how angry are you about the vehicle classes being removed? -HAND I am happy that the CCP has decided to withdraw the "broke" vehicles. Mainly as RHAV pilot deeply from bottom of my hearth I can say that current vehicles were unbalance as ****. LLAV that can take more than best fitted HAV with his 25% resistance bonus from no-where, or any DS that drop after 2 Railgun shoots.. SLAV that is Militia LAV without build in Scanner.. and it's not even the beginning of the list. Broke mechanics should be temporarily removed from the game, fixed, and deployed(that how it should work). As to the remaining questions - removing something from the game by CCP usually accompanied with reimbursement of the assets or sp, so we do not have reason to complain.
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.11.17 21:15:00 - [19] - Quote It all depends for me. I don't mind playing as a gunship or using tanks or being a logi. I'm hoping they readdress the isk cost along with the balancing because that's the main problem with using vehicles, It''s impossible to not make a profit as infantry we should at least be able to break even. Enforcers and scout LAVs aren't much of a loss as they're not good enough to use at the moment. LLAV's is a big loss for heavies and tanks, Logi + Assault DS are huge losses to those of us who fly them. Well I just hope that balancing at the standard level will be done quickly, and yes. 300 or so.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1105	Posted - 2013.11.17 23:50:00 - [20] - Quote Any other ideas? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1781	Posted - 2013.11.18 00:16:00 - [21] - Quote I'm skilled into everyone :'( Probably make the most badass scout ever for nova knifes GÇƒSpilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" - Draxus Prime The Master of the Nova Knifes Closed Beta Vet
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 748	Posted - 2013.11.18 00:22:00 - [22] - Quote i have exactly 1/3 of my 30 mill sp into vehicles..all will be spent maxxing my amarian assault..and maxing the few equipments i dont have maxed just touch ups really ..i will however drop a small tiny chunk of sp into a lav afterwards
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 272	Posted - 2013.11.18 01:18:00 - [23] - Quote at first i was pretty bummed about the removal of the assault dropship. however i now understand their reasoning behind it. If they do give me a respec im putting it back into dropships. hopefully the variants will be back soon.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1517	Posted - 2013.11.18 01:30:00 - [24] - Quote I'm completely dumping both Dropships and tanks (although before Tanks get changed I'll have some fun with my Gunnlogi :D) and putting it into Proto Amarr Assault, so I can have Proto Assault and Logi, thus giving me a better opinion of how each could be changed, and because the Logi is destined to get nerfed ._. ö/\ö :D
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.11.18 01:30:00 - [25] - Quote Message from Godin: " 1: Same thing as always; using the vehicles that works for me, and saying how I think they should be in the future. 2: I'm getting Gallente Scout, Shotty, and SMG maxed, and vehicles maxed. The rest will be saved for the T2 vehicles. 3: As long as they are good for their role, and the vehicles we got to work with is decent enough to work with, I don't care. They all needed a rework anyways imo. That's why I made those suggestions for the ones already removed (which are ironically HAV's), and the ones that are getting removed. 4: Nope. That would cause A: Many balance issues to happen B: vehicle update to get pushed back again C: bugs to arise 5: 0. Like I said, as long as they are decent and usable when they come back, I don't care."
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1116	Posted - 2013.11.18 04:13:00 - [26] - Quote Why did Godin get banned? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 983	Posted - 2013.11.18 04:30:00 - [27] - Quote Honestly? Zero I don't like driving my car while the mechanic is half done fixing it, tends to lead to problems. In reality many of the "specialty" vehicles were gimmicky and I used none of them. The only one I actually used was the Logistics LAV, but because the repair tool was inherently unusable, it's really not that much of a loss.. Right now CCP needs to focus on redefining those roles and properly implementing them, rather than releasing "cool ideas" that sound badass on paper but really are ineffective in practice. So while I dont agree with some of the upcoming changes to vehicles, I think its a move in the right direction. I'd rather they keep it simple for now and get it right, than try to fix the machine while it's still in motion. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 365	Posted - 2013.11.18 07:21:00 - [28] - Quote Is there any Enforder pilot besides duna? Anybody, who runs more Enforcer than STD?


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