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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.11.18 13:27:00 -
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Until all core assets and skills are in the game, requests for respecs are both valid and warranted.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.11.18 13:37:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Why are there so many crybabies in Dust? Understand this:
DUST WILL ALWAYS CHANGE!
Get used to it or stop playing. If you don't like this fact go play another short-shelf life game where you can reach your God mode and be happy until you get bored and never play that game again.
Dust is different because you have to change with the game or you will be slaughtered. Respecs are a crutch and they are bad for the game. Deal with it or go elsewhere. If you don't understand the state of the game completely, you should likely refrain from posting about it, lest you appear as you just did
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Posted - 2013.11.18 13:50:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:Why are there so many crybabies in Dust? Understand this:
DUST WILL ALWAYS CHANGE!
Get used to it or stop playing. If you don't like this fact go play another short-shelf life game where you can reach your God mode and be happy until you get bored and never play that game again.
Dust is different because you have to change with the game or you will be slaughtered. Respecs are a crutch and they are bad for the game. Deal with it or go elsewhere. If you don't understand the state of the game completely, you should likely refrain from posting about it, lest you appear as you just did Tell me the state of the game that justifies a respec that isn't based on emotions about a feature. Tell me how respecs would be good for the game because I am open minded and I will consider anything. Core
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Posted - 2013.11.18 14:02:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:People who use the word "crying", immitate sounds or say that I want a respec to get OP gear shall be ignored. Here's why : I have an assault rifle with prof 5, Core nades, shield extenders and enhanced armor modules, I also have 1.5 M SP to spec into gallente logi and finsih the armour skills. I could use the OP gear but I don't so I will just find your posts immature. Many vets have 20-30+ million SP, and thus, have MANY paths MAXED out already.
Respec does not make them stronger because they're already at max strength, it simply allows them to make informed decisions, and gives newer players the opportunity to better equip themselves.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 14:04:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:Why are there so many crybabies in Dust? Understand this:
DUST WILL ALWAYS CHANGE!
Get used to it or stop playing. If you don't like this fact go play another short-shelf life game where you can reach your God mode and be happy until you get bored and never play that game again.
Dust is different because you have to change with the game or you will be slaughtered. Respecs are a crutch and they are bad for the game. Deal with it or go elsewhere. If you don't understand the state of the game completely, you should likely refrain from posting about it, lest you appear as you just did Tell me the state of the game that justifies a respec that isn't based on emotions about a feature. Tell me how respecs would be good for the game because I am open minded and I will consider anything. Core Material Just because it isn't here doesn't mean we should get a respec. EVE started the same and it worked. Every game with DLC is a game that doesn't have its "core". There haven't been any surprises that make the choices we have unplayable and no one forced you to put SP anywhere. How is the addition of some suit and weapons now any different then in 6 months or a year or two years from now? Wouldn't same argument be valid every time something is released? We have the core and based off of lore is happening about right. No one said that the game has to have for races of heavy or vehicle. If we only have two racial vehicles for the next year then a respec is warranted at any time. How is it good for the game? So Gallente Heavies should have just run militia gear for the past year and a half
Wow, the wisdom is just pouring off of you
Those Minmatar pilots must really love flying Gorgons around with no SP invested since they don't know how the Minmatar dropships will look or play, and don't want to spend precious SP on the wrong skills before they're released. And to hell with those Amarr HAV pilots, Sica's all around!!!
Core material released = respec. Release it all together, and you only need one respec
Respecs are definitely coming considering CCP has shown strong interest in monetizing them via SP skillback boosters
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.11.18 14:13:00 -
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:People who use the word "crying", immitate sounds or say that I want a respec to get OP gear shall be ignored. Here's why : I have an assault rifle with prof 5, Core nades, shield extenders and enhanced armor modules, I also have 1.5 M SP to spec into gallente logi and finsih the armour skills. I could use the OP gear but I don't so I will just find your posts immature. Many vets have 20-30+ million SP, and thus, have MANY paths MAXED out already. Respec does not make them stronger because they're already at max strength, it simply allows them to make informed decisions, and gives newer players the opportunity to better equip themselves. This is how I feel about respecs. I might not have that much (19.5 M) but still it's more than enough to have the best, competative gear I could want. Having a respec won't help me use FoTM because it's not that hard to get it in the first place. I bet new players would welcome the thought of having something useful. I met a guy yesterday that went dropsuit command level 5 in the first try. Overall I'm actually happy with where my SP is, aside from a few random things here and there, though I'd like to be more focused on vehicles (I'm close to maxed on what I need anyways). I actually went basic heavy to 5 because I think the sentinel bonus is a joke, as are heavies with less than 2 complex damage mods
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Posted - 2013.11.18 14:23:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:For Drapedup: Changes to Dust don't happen overnight. There are Dev blogs, forum posts and discussions about upcoming changes weeks sometimes months in advance. And we ALL know more **** will be added to dust over time. If you are not able to plan your training accordingly, or horde SP for an item coming out that you really want than maybe you are the dipshit. Hording SP for things that should already be in the game makes no sense, and if you all can't see that then you all can't be reasoned with.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 14:58:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:For Drapedup: Changes to Dust don't happen overnight. There are Dev blogs, forum posts and discussions about upcoming changes weeks sometimes months in advance. And we ALL know more **** will be added to dust over time. If you are not able to plan your training accordingly, or horde SP for an item coming out that you really want than maybe you are the dipshit. Hording SP for things that should already be in the game makes no sense, and if you all can't see that then you all can't be reasoned with. Should already be in the game isn't be best way to say it. Many people can argue that jet packs should be in the game by now. They aren't here and because of that we only had a few choices soon there will be more choices. It isn't bad it is just a different way of doing things when compared to other studios or other studios with more experience. So your argument is that Gallente, Caldari, and Minmatar Heavies, Caldari and Amarr Scouts, along with Minmatar and Amarr Dropships, LAVs, and HAVs, are the same as jetpacks.
That's what you're going with?
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:14:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Respecs kill that because you don't have to work for anything. So respecs add millions of SP to your SP pool that you didn't earn in game?
Damn, I must not know what respecs are. I was under the impression they allowed you to use your earned SP with all current and relevant information available to you. Damn, someone send me that memo, I want free SP
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:23:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:Respecs kill that because you don't have to work for anything. So respecs add millions of SP to your SP pool that you didn't earn in game? Damn, I must not know what respecs are. I was under the impression they allowed you to use your earned SP with all current and relevant information available to you. Damn, someone send me that memo, I want free SP Yes you did earn that SP. But you also spent it. No refund. Tell me one thing in this world you can exchange for something new after you rode it hard and got your use out of it? Why should SP be any different. Are you just not going to train anything because Ccp might change something in the future? Get over it. You have access to the same information we all do. And you know more changes are coming. It is not a secret. Either make it work how you want or stop playing. So what about people who want to play Heavies, but don't want to be Amarr. Our scouts, but they're Caldari? What about vehicle users.
Also, DUST is not real life, believe it or not. It's actually a video game, a means of entertainment.
You are a brilliant marketing person, that's for sure. Play things you don't want or HTFU and quit! Excellent logic, superb, you've really convinced me. What a seller!
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:26:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:For Drapedup: Changes to Dust don't happen overnight. There are Dev blogs, forum posts and discussions about upcoming changes weeks sometimes months in advance. And we ALL know more **** will be added to dust over time. If you are not able to plan your training accordingly, or horde SP for an item coming out that you really want than maybe you are the dipshit. Hording SP for things that should already be in the game makes no sense, and if you all can't see that then you all can't be reasoned with. Should already be in the game isn't be best way to say it. Many people can argue that jet packs should be in the game by now. They aren't here and because of that we only had a few choices soon there will be more choices. It isn't bad it is just a different way of doing things when compared to other studios or other studios with more experience. So your argument is that Gallente, Caldari, and Minmatar Heavies, Caldari and Amarr Scouts, along with Minmatar and Amarr Dropships, LAVs, and HAVs, are the same as jetpacks. That's what you're going with? No, I am saying that those things weren't in the game so they weren't supposed to be. If they were they would have been or it wouldn't have been released. They chose to release the game even if you still choose to call it a beta and so we have what we have. Saying it was supposed to be in there isn't a good argument for a respec. That is what fast food guys say to me when they leave out the pickles. I can't even talk to you if you think that the very basic material in this game is actually not basic material, and that a Gallente heavy should not be considered base material because Amarr are the only ones who have Heavies.
I just....what?
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:52:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:What I think doesn't matter. For the record, I think it is one of the stupidest things they could have done. My only point is that saying something should have been here isn't a good reason. The game needs content not respecs. I have SP in things I don't want and coming from a person who doesn't get to play as often as I wish, it hurts. I Think I am about to break 13 M. I have 3-4 in stuff I never use and don't really even like. How a player feels is important but falling back on key principles in the game could be even worse.
The small amount of players we have either love the game or are EVEtards and love the game. Giving respecs is going to make people mad like not giving them one is going to. Got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything. Cheesy line but it true and we are on the razors edge of success or failure. They have to make a stand soon or we're all done. I don't really care one way or another if it happens. I want the game to get good and this thread isn't doing that and I don't think that it helps in any way do that.
Which is why I stand by our right to use our SP the way we wish when all basic material is in front of us.
I only have a couple million SP not where I want it, much of that is in vehicles and will be returned to me in 1.7 with or without a respec. I argue for the principle and little more.
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:57:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Even stacking hp is useless right now since lolar still deal over 800 damage in less than a second. And every one uses ars (fotm anyone?) FotG, actually. Has been for a year and a half now, only slightly being interrupted by scramblers
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Posted - 2013.11.19 04:18:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Thank you for making my point Dust Fiend. The AR has had a good run at being the king. In fact probably too long. The scrambler rifle is slowly taking away some of that market share and we have more guns coming. That means more things to skill into and the AR will lose its dominance on the battle field. Thus giving us more variety. But everyone who has tons of SP in ARs should not get that sp back just because it might not be king anymore. They should be grateful it was so strong for so long and adapt to the changes in Dust. If you want something train for it. Once you use SP it is gone. That is a fundamental basis of dust and eve. SP is easy to spend but hard to get so use it wisely. And don't complain that something new is being added and its not fair. You still have a huge advantage over new players that have to claw their way from the bottom. Who said anything about it not being fair?
I can roll a fresh alt and use only militia and still troll the majority of people who play this game.
It's not new if it was supposed to be old. Meaning, core material is core material and if you're going to offer all four races, you have to offer all four races most basic equipment. When that happens, a respec will be needed.
I whole heartedly agree that there should be no respec for new content, so long as that new content is new content that wasn't supposed to be old content, aka, core content.
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