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Draco Cerberus
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Posted - 2013.11.17 09:31:00 -
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I know there are more people than just me running 90% BPO suits out there (isk wise) and I would really appreciate it if there were more isk in game rather than this black hole for isk that we have now. I have only been able to field a total of about 4 good suits in each of my matches throughout the average time I play each day and every once in a while I somehow still manage to lose more isk when I am running the suits I can "afford" to run. I am flat broke after I restock my suits at the end of the night and I really haven't been doing that badly (top 3 most matches with enough wp to be comparable the the enemy team top 3). This is really broken when I can't play because I can't buy cheap crappy fits that work. I can fit the proto in almost all the gear I use and still cannot afford to put it on, not sure where the math is going wrong but for the love of the game start feeding us isk! It is seriously broken that only PC players (those with districts) can afford to run their good suits.
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:50:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I run advanced gear and do very well indeed. I also run DS's and the occasional HAV and still make a profit most matches. Best advice I can suggest here is to focus on core systems and passive upgrades. Be conservative; say to yourself 'will a militia uplink do the same job? do I really need the best scanner? after all the payout isn't that much different if you win or loose, so why bother bringing the best gear  But if you are struggling then the future looks bright with the FW->LP system. Along with the player market this will give you all the isk you'll ever need selling gear they have no access to at a tidy profit 
Farming isk with a bpo sever logi, a proto uplink, militia everything else, core skills are up. The FW system is getting an LP store, that says to me that I'm going to be shelling out isk and LP like I do when I run missions in eve to get the gear i want if not also a standard/adv/proto piece of gear to get faction stuff. In what way does that make FW look bright? They also said they are taking Isk out of FW battles. Read up, I am not struggling, I am playing just fine and restock my suits. The caveat being I am broke like a penny hooker.
CCP says coming soon about alot of stuff but unless player trading also allows eve transfers we are going to have serious issues.
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:22:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:Avrg death amount and suit cost
average death amount is somewhere around 5, 20kisk suit, maybe a 87k isk militia DS if the right map presents itself
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:23:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:OP you are entirely wrong about this.
Yes, in the new player community there are those who run only BPO suits to try and build up isk reserves but the vast majority of older players and I'd venture to say a fair number of moderately experience players have no money issues at all.
In the case of vets most of us could easily run proto gear constantly with absolutely no fear of depleting our isk reserves.
What this game needs is more isk sinks and less isk floating around in general to force experienced players to run lower tier gear that newer players can actually compete against. By adding more isk to an already flooded isk market CCP would just be ensuring that you get protostomped more frequently and with even more ferocity.
Can you run a 270k isk proto stomp constantly?
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:31:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Sounds like you get sidetracked into thinking you need your best gear in order to win the match. But the matches are meaningless. Run your best suits if you want but it makes no sense trying so hard if the outcome doesn't benefit you. You also don't need BPO's and free suits to make a profit - manage your money better and you make a profit. I know I can run 3/4 advanced suits or 1 proto (though I never feel the need to, seems so unnecessary) without going into the red.
I manage, to run whatever gear I want and break even. One of my advanced only fits costs around 50k. 4 deaths means no/little profit for spending 15 minutes dodging the proto users who if I kill 2 I have destroyed at least the value of my one in just rifle replacement alone.
Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:
As for the FW->LP system. It will make you money with the player market. If players work for a particular faction they will be locked out of their opposing faction, meaning they have no way to access their gear. Which means you can provide it for them at a profit. There you go, more ISK for you and helps with the costs of running FW for zero ISK. This is CCP's intention as stated in Vegas. How many Min Assaults have you seen with ScR's?
When the player market comes in...maybe. I don't know what kind of specialization you have gone for but my skills are Logi based. I make isk for heals, revives, kills, and spawns. This inherently has the drawback that I must spend more isk to make some isk. Devs stated that they want to remove isk from FW altogether so how exactly do you propose I make more isk by running FW if I can't purchase an item at the LP store because I have no isk left after restocking?
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:18:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:50K for an advanced suit???
helll no.
medic assault , militia suits work good for getting isk
use them until you have 500 million isk or preferably more
after a suit fit is done hit restock and note the cost and rename suit fit i.e . mil scout SG SMG AV SCAN 9K
etc. medic assault AR SMG AV SCAN 8k,,,etc.
once you have plenty of isk then move up to basic or advanced
LOL you do not understand the issue apparently, try running any starter fit without the speced bonuses and you will see. I know my costs and no the medic assault does not work well for making isk because you actually need to kill people and revive them, the only options with that suit. Unless you are in the thick of things or solely running ambush there is little chance that you will make any amount of isk in any relatively short amount of time. It could just be the length of time I have been playing that has caused me to adopt an attitude that says support the team but if I wanted to farm isk by just being in battle there are far better ways to do it, which I won't list, Jenza may start using them, also it results in far lower death rates for myself than what you are proposing and some of the corp members I have talked to proposed this as well.
I run LOGI, not assault. I am normally not a slayer but will use my gun as needed. The White Mage of Dust.
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:29:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:Sounds like you get sidetracked into thinking you need your best gear in order to win the match. But the matches are meaningless. Run your best suits if you want but it makes no sense trying so hard if the outcome doesn't benefit you. You also don't need BPO's and free suits to make a profit - manage your money better and you make a profit. I know I can run 3/4 advanced suits or 1 proto (though I never feel the need to, seems so unnecessary) without going into the red. I manage, to run whatever gear I want and break even. One of my advanced only fits costs around 50k. 4 deaths means no/little profit for spending 15 minutes dodging the proto users who if I kill 2 I have destroyed at least the value of my one in just rifle replacement alone. Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:
As for the FW->LP system. It will make you money with the player market. If players work for a particular faction they will be locked out of their opposing faction, meaning they have no way to access their gear. Which means you can provide it for them at a profit. There you go, more ISK for you and helps with the costs of running FW for zero ISK. This is CCP's intention as stated in Vegas. How many Min Assaults have you seen with ScR's?
When the player market comes in...maybe. I don't know what kind of specialization you have gone for but my skills are Logi based. I make isk for heals, revives, kills, and spawns. This inherently has the drawback that I must spend more isk to make some isk. Devs stated that they want to remove isk from FW altogether so how exactly do you propose I make more isk by running FW if I can't purchase an item at the LP store because I have no isk left after restocking? Then it looks like I can't help you. I run Logi/scout/ADS/HAV's and I have more ISK than our Corp. Even with handouts to my fellow Corp mates, donations and my own misguided sense of pride (don't ask, it cost me 20 mil) I still have more ISK than I know what to do with. So I don't know what to say...
Thanks to Nyan Cyan I recouped some of the losses I had this morning, glad those guys are proto stomping. Every time I take one of them out with an Assault Sniper Starter fit my wallet grows.
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:35:00 -
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Higher payouts for poor pubbies! Free koolaid for all!
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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.20 14:06:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is always the starter suits to fall back on.
Of course, you have to max out all of the core fitting skills and have maxed out proficiency of your favorite weapon in order to be remotely competitive with a militia-level suit. But we do have players here in the community who are expert slayers with a militia-level suit because they have months of experience built up.
My Expert Logi BPO Fits still cost 65k isk, of course using it for farming is great so long as people avoid shooting in my general direction. The funny thing about the suit is the only part that costs isk are the 3 nanohives. The problem is that there is no way to make this particular fit cheaper without making it less effective. Still using BPO gear on it and a BPO suit. It is more costly to run this fit than my all advanced Logi fit of 48K isk. The majority of any suit cost IMO is Equipment and Weaponry. The pricing is high enough that I am eagerly waiting for player trading between Eve and Dust so I can just manufacture gear for myself.
My bet is that the majority of players are not able to do this. The reality is that without more isk in game from one source or another we will always be forced to run sub par or BPO suits. IDC how slayer you or your friends are, there are other classes that are not dedicated to slaying that do not benefit from running BPO gear. Both Logi and Vehicle specialists go through more isk in match than any other classes. 0 Deaths = Profit in our cases, while any loss seriously hurts any isk making potential in a match. We need more, and are not rewarded appropriately for the gear we bring to battle.
I remember watching the E3 video and seeing a cost attached to every piece of equipment during CB. I see the cost every time I deploy, 65k + 20k + 16k + 270k (3 BPO suits + 1 Pro Suit) adds up to alot, heck in a battle where the stomp is strong, WP are low and everyone is spawn camped the payout may not even cover the BPO fits. This is an economic war, where we do not have the tools to do our jobs. I'm not saying every match needs a 100k isk payout automatically even with a win, above 1000 WP and only the 3 BPO fit costs listed it is still possible to lose isk if I don't score in the top 3 players for WP. Only those guys in the top 3 make any substantial amount of isk, number one being the one who benefits most.
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