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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:51:00 -
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Hey,
I'm considering skilling into complex profile dampening to make my medium frame suits get under advanced scanners, but before I commit those 900k SP I'd like to ask what everyone else thinks about the relative value of this investment.
I definitely wouldn't mind putting those SP towards another prototype weapon or an advanced gallente scout suit, but I've seen that "You've been scanned" message a couple times too often lately. So what has your experience been like with complex profile dampening on medium suits? Is it worth it or is everyone else running prototype scanners anyways? |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
355
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:51:00 -
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Thanks for the replies. It sure isn't the answer I was looking for, but I'll avoid skilling dampeners for now. I figure it's wiser to look at what 1.7 brings to scanning before committing almost a million SP into something.
Those SP are burning a hole into my skill sheet though, I can tell you that much.  |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
356
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:22:00 -
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My most likely fit would be trading some 40 hp and 1.5 hp/s of armor regen versus being unseen by advanced scanners. The hp difference is equivalent to merely one AR bullet, so I guess the dampener definitely increases survivability if the enemy doesn't have a prototype scanner.
However I'm fairly certain that active scanning is going to receive some changes come 1.7, so I'll re-evaluate afterwards. Thanks for the opinions though.  |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
356
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Posted - 2013.11.24 21:58:00 -
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I yielded. 
Today I skilled into those dampeners and fitted my favorite assault suit with a dampener. I'm not regretting the choice a couple of matches later, but final judgment will be made later down the line. Apparently there are fewer PRO scanners in public matches than I thought.
I changed my mind about holding back until 1.7 when I realized that I'm sitting on 800k SP in vehicles that will be refunded come 1.7 and that after completing my Caldari assault setup with the RR I will likely go into light suits anyways, so profile dampening sounds like a good idea both in the short and long term. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
356
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:42:00 -
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KrazyEyeKilla wrote:What about precision enhancement for assault suits? If it was skilled to level 5, would it still be effective without a module fitted?
For example if your hacking a letter would the enemy approaching from a blind spot be detected? Or if they were flanking you or approaching from behind.
Yes, you would*.
There had to be an asterisk, didn't it? The math is as follows: The base scan precision of a basic or assault suit is 55 dB, the base scan profile is 50 dB. Scan precision at level 5 grants a 10% reduction to scan precision, that is 55 dB * 0.9 = 49.5 dB, which - obviously - is lower than the 50 dB scan profile cited above, thus you can see this enemy on your radar if he is within 10 m, or whatever your effective scan range may be.
However, if that enemy had any skills in profile dampening - such as me ( ) - their scan profile would be lower than 49.5 dB and they would thus not appear on your radar. Actually even a single level in profile dampening is sufficient to put you below those 49.5 dB.
Logistics suits, for some reason, have a scan precision of 50 dB. That means that a logistics player with levels in precision enhancement is going to be able to see any medium suit on their radar that has less profile dampening skills than they have in precision enhancement (not accounting for any modules).
On the topic of profile dampening:
Today I got into a shootout between my dampened A/1 SCR fitting and another guy in a A/1 SCR fitting with a scanner. If I hadn't used the dampener he would've had ample chance to land charged shots on my head, instead I got the drop on him on several occasions after reading "SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED". That felt good.  |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
368
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:14:00 -
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KrazyEyeKilla wrote:Whats your opinion on range amplification for medium suits. Would it be useful? Again without any modules fitted. Most likely not.
The base scan range of a medium suit is 10 meters, even at range amplification 5 that would only be 15 meters (10% per lvl). Even adding a complex range amplification module you'd only arrive at 21.75 meters (45% bonus). For reference, that's about the effective range of an SMG.
Then there's the topic of scan precision. As explained four posts above you'll have a hard time detecting anything but heavy suits while using a medium suit. That limits the usefulness of this setup even further.
Bottom line: If you're going to be hunting heavy suits with a shotgun around tight corners, then yes, this is useful. Otherwise you'll likely want a different setup. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
368
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Posted - 2013.12.05 17:18:00 -
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Seeth Mensch wrote:KrazyEyeKilla wrote:Whats your opinion on range amplification for medium suits. Would it be useful? Again without any modules fitted. Heya. Range amp = win when you can see them. I have it at 3 and I have a number of times gotten the drop on someone because I "saw" them on the other side of a wall. Hello, bad guy. Meet RE. RE, meet....oh, he's gone now. Try that with the Gallente Scout at lvl 3. Including your current skills and an enhanced range amplification module you'd arrive at a scan range of 36 meters and a scan precision of 42.3. That covers almost all medium suits in about the optimal range of an AR. That's pretty much a wall-hack.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
369
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Posted - 2013.12.09 19:27:00 -
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Well, thumbs up to you for playing a Scout as a Scout and not a slightly-faster-assault suit.
I've started putting skillpoints into Gallente Scout so I can one day utilize that magnificent 52 meter scan range. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
370
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Posted - 2013.12.09 20:24:00 -
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So far my encounters with Scouts have been very positive. Recently that's because I go unnoticed on their radars and they are as surprised to see me as I am to see them (  ), but generally it's because my SCR/SCP-skills are good enough for me to get the headshot before they get within Shotgun-range. So considering that my anti-Scout-capabilities are only going to improve by switching to a scout suit: Bring it. 
Thanks for the fitting. What scan precision are you aiming for with that enhanced dampener?
I'm aiming for Scout lvl 3, so that in combination with dampening lvl 5 the suit naturally (without any mods) goes below 36 dB and thus avoids advanced dampeners. |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
370
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Posted - 2013.12.09 21:05:00 -
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Believe me, I have all the math regarding profile dampeners. I've always been interested in the passive scanning sub-game, it's really well designed. After I have the Gallente Scout at least to lvl 3 I'll be looking forward to a new Scout suit with a bonus to scan precision (Caldari, perhaps?) so I can go hunt some hostile scouts.  |
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