DUST Search - I would like to opt out of my vehicle skill points .

KalOfTheRathi wrote:

There is no promise from CCP/Shanghai that vehicle SP (and the very tightly connected turret SP) will be refunded.

The only reference I have seen on these forums is that SP refund is on the table for discussion only. There are no promised, stated, indicated, hinted at or formally announced that a search has revealed since that discussion.

Many of us are in violent agreement that an SP refund is the only reasonable solution and that only some (rude word of your choice) would think otherwise. I agree that 1.7 will break vehicles. I look forward to moving my suits to Proto while ignoring vehicles, aside from blowing up the cute paper things that look like vehicles but are worth +150 to kill.

However, it is not our game. The game developers are talking about it and some have indicated that Devs have tweeted about it, as I don't follow any tweets (of Devs or twits) I have yet to see those.

This is DUST and the only thing you can count on is that each patch will completely change the game, rarely for the better since Uprising. I have stated before I will give vehicles two weeks. If they are as bad as I suspect I will need a SP refund to keep playing DUST. Without it, the game will be dead to me.

" Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .

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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:15:00 - [1] - Quote After looking at the changes that will be in place with the next update I feel that , most of the problems that were mentioned were not addressed and instead it just seems like you took that feedback and just eliminated the issues that were brought about all together , instead of trying to treat the patient it seems like you sent the said patient to the operating room , then after that you placed it on life support ( because the surgery wasn't to correct or treat the patient ) only to see if you have to pull the plug ( at a later date ) all together . The skill tree is changed , slots were taken away , turrets were given an ammo count , mods are being changed and some eliminated , some other stats were changed ( too numerous to mention , read the thread ) and basically it seems like they are in a far worst situation than before . Now they are even more of a hit and run specialist , with even less ability to stand their ground and pound . I don't care for ( and it's known that you don't care ) for these changes and would like to opt out of my vehicle license . Please release the skill points that I have placed into the vehicles and the turrets as well as the mods , so I can place them into other areas that will help me to become a more complete fighter , seeing as how the vehicle aspect of my over all game is gone now due to the changes that will be installed . I'm not going to talk about what's wrong because it doesn't matter . I have written threads on my opinions about tanks and where I stand in concerns to and with them so to do that again would be for not . I don't want to have a wait and see attitude , as well as reading some of the other post from others about vehicles that were due for changes that didn't even appear , like ever again , so I listen and think about what you write and what is written from others and it just seems like it's not worth it , at least not for me . No knock to anyone else but , have fun and enjoy people . This is only the beginning and look out for me because I will try and kill EVERY vehicle that I see . A.V.'s are going to eat like twenty fat people ( no pun intended ) at a Golden Corral or Ryan's ( like Family Guy's Peter Griffin's Fat People Club : remember that episode ??? .. when the fat people strangler was strangling people ) on all you can eat day ( oh that's everyday ) so I guess you better stack your ISK's now because you will need them and all of them at that . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 111	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:56:00 - [2] - Quote The last time we had a small skill change (ie, when some of the weapon and dropsuit skills had their multipliers modified) we had the SP that became available respec'd to us. I highly doubt that CCP completely reworking the entire vehicle tree will result in anything less than a respec for every skill that has had changes made to it (ie, all of the vehicle ones)
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 83	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:24:00 - [3] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: The last time we had a small skill change (ie, when some of the weapon and dropsuit skills had their multipliers modified) we had the SP that became available respec'd to us. I highly doubt that CCP completely reworking the entire vehicle tree will result in anything less than a respec for every skill that has had changes made to it (ie, all of the vehicle ones) Thank you for your input . It is well appreciated . I look at the thread and seen a lot about what has went on in the past . About vehicles being promised to be re-released after being worked on but they haven't been seen again . It's just frustrating to see so many give input and to watch , as it was for the most part ignored . That's just troublesome to me . Vehicles as well as rendering , balancing of weapons , race classes being represented and their roles defined , each race having representation in weapons classes as well are all problems that are and should be addressed . I just believe that from the charts ( barring the actual use ) that they ( tanks ) look to be in a FAR worst state . I apologize but I just can't back something that I can't agree with and their changes will make matters even more frustrating for those who will go threw that . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 113	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:36:00 - [4] - Quote Wanting to get out of vehicles, that's fair enough. Bear in mind that some skills that exist currently (1.6 and before) will no longer exist in 1.7 onwards. That level of skill alteration cannot have your SP remain invested: there's nowhere for it to remain invested! So you're almost certain to get a full Vehicle SP respec. Personally, I like the look of the newer vehicles: hardeners will make a big difference in how vehicles operate in 1.7 and stacking plates/extenders will be less important (that is, base HP is up, generally.) Having a long lasting 40-60% reduction in damage is pretty boss for tanking. Also bear in mind that Swarm Launchers have had their lock-on range and damage reduced, AV grenade damage has be drastically reduced and we don't know what alteration is being made to Forge Guns (if any beyond the splash reduction) so tanking looks like it will have a place. Tanks will not be all-powerful, and nor should they be, but neither will they be auto-dominated in turn by AV. I think some actual trial will be needed before everyone abandons ship, but if you feel that way I think you will be able to move without repercussions anyway.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 884	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:39:00 - [5] - Quote There is no promise from CCP/Shanghai that vehicle SP (and the very tightly connected turret SP) will be refunded. The only reference I have seen on these forums is that SP refund is on the table for discussion only. There are no promised, stated, indicated, hinted at or formally announced that a search has revealed since that discussion. Many of us are in violent agreement that an SP refund is the only reasonable solution and that only some (rude word of your choice) would think otherwise. I agree that 1.7 will break vehicles. I look forward to moving my suits to Proto while ignoring vehicles, aside from blowing up the cute paper things that look like vehicles but are worth +150 to kill. However, it is not our game. The game developers are talking about it and some have indicated that Devs have tweeted about it, as I don't follow any tweets (of Devs or twits) I have yet to see those. This is DUST and the only thing you can count on is that each patch will completely change the game, rarely for the better since Uprising. I have stated before I will give vehicles two weeks. If they are as bad as I suspect I will need a SP refund to keep playing DUST. Without it, the game will be dead to me.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 85	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:44:00 - [6] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Wanting to get out of vehicles, that's fair enough. Bear in mind that some skills that exist currently (1.6 and before) will no longer exist in 1.7 onwards. That level of skill alteration cannot have your SP remain invested: there's nowhere for it to remain invested! So you're almost certain to get a full Vehicle SP respec. Personally, I like the look of the newer vehicles: hardeners will make a big difference in how vehicles operate in 1.7 and stacking plates/extenders will be less important (that is, base HP is up, generally.) Having a long lasting 40-60% reduction in damage is pretty boss for tanking. Also bear in mind that Swarm Launchers have had their lock-on range and damage reduced, AV grenade damage has be drastically reduced and we don't know what alteration is being made to Forge Guns (if any beyond the splash reduction) so tanking looks like it will have a place. Tanks will not be all-powerful, and nor should they be, but neither will they be auto-dominated in turn by AV. I think some actual trial will be needed before everyone abandons ship, but if you feel that way I think you will be able to move without repercussions anyway. Thank you again for your words . I use hardeners on all my HAV fits . I'm not looking to be indestructible but to have slots taken away , the Gunnlogi is still the weaker of the choices and at least they could have made the HP's even on their shield side . There were things that could have and should have been addressed and I just felt that they were swept under the rug and replaced by , like you said " 40-60 % reduction in damage " and such . After talking to you I might just see how it goes and if that's not the case and I can't do that then I will opt out . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 85	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:48:00 - [7] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: There is no promise from CCP/Shanghai that vehicle SP (and the very tightly connected turret SP) will be refunded. The only reference I have seen on these forums is that SP refund is on the table for discussion only. There are no promised, stated, indicated, hinted at or formally announced that a search has revealed since that discussion. Many of us are in violent agreement that an SP refund is the only reasonable solution and that only some (rude word of your choice) would think otherwise. I agree that 1.7 will break vehicles. I look forward to moving my suits to Proto while ignoring vehicles, aside from blowing up the cute paper things that look like vehicles but are worth +150 to kill. However, it is not our game. The game developers are talking about it and some have indicated that Devs have tweeted about it, as I don't follow any tweets (of Devs or twits) I have yet to see those. This is DUST and the only thing you can count on is that each patch will completely change the game, rarely for the better since Uprising. I have stated before I will give vehicles two weeks. If they are as bad as I suspect I will need a SP refund to keep playing DUST. Without it, the game will be dead to me. Well said . I can only agree . Thanks for the heads up as well . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz 492	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:51:00 - [8] - Quote Sure, and please let me opt out of Swarm Launchers, because they are effectively useless against Dropships come 1.7, and not worth the Investment vs Tanks.
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 502	Posted - 2013.11.17 08:54:00 - [9] - Quote I'm not sure if you noticed but everything has been promised to be released SOON tm. Also they have said that santa clause is coming to town soon too but I have yet to see him. *One Universe...with friendly fire and Open World Game Play for all!*
Haerr Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2013.11.17 09:13:00 - [10] - Quote I too would like vehicles SPs back. Bitter, butthurt and trying to HTFU.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 91	Posted - 2013.11.17 13:55:00 - [11] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: I'm not sure if you noticed but everything has been promised to be released SOON tm. Also they have said that santa clause is coming to town soon too but I have yet to see him. He's probably helping them to make their decisions , you know checking their list , while forgetting about ours . It just seems like all of these offers and sales are like the " smoke and mirrors " that are being used while you see everyday , people with legitimate problems , not only problems that are going on with the game but they also offer solutions and it can be a problem to read these threads , listen to these people who speak so well and they are informed . This community has some wise and intelligent people in it's collective , so I just can't understand what the problems could be that lead to the input being disregarded and passed over , after these same people are asked for that same input . I just get tired of seeing the collective fight and argue among themselves , when we should come together and encouraging each other in support . We all know the issues , they are written about each day and are rarely addressed . We make excuses as " new " items are released but the same problems linger . Give it time .... give it time ... they are busy .... this job is hard ..... all I'm saying is , new things are fine in all but why not put that energy into fixing the problems that linger , listening to your collective , seeing as how they test and play the game each and every day . Those that put up threads asking for fixes care about the direction that this game and CCP are heading into and to see those same people being asked to go to " the back of the line " , most of the time is troublesome and a problem . I'm so tired of the negativity from certain people and their " just leave then " type of attitude , this game will not have it's problems addressed with that type of behavior and it makes me wonder if CCP likes to see that because it buys them the time that they need to release their " new " items and put the issues on the back burner , not being held accountable because of the inter squabbling from the collective . It's starting to get hard to log in knowing these things and experiencing this type of behavior . One sided games , being placed at the end of games in no win situations , bad rendering issues , issues with unbalanced weapons and gear , TTK issues and so on and so on , it's not burn out , it's becoming boring and tiresome with the same ole same ole . The base can like I seeing as how they watched this game " grow " but it wont get larger when it should . People don't have to buy a different Dust 514 every year and that's what they have over their competition but if another developer did the same thing but took this games , weaknesses , mistakes and made it their strengths then this games time would be limited and that's the sad part . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .


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