DUST Search - So Who Wants to be CPM?

SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

I'd vote for sota, we need someone on CPM who doesn't have the view of a scrub. In other words A GOOD player often has different, more educated opinions on video games. Having someone whose participated in PC, has played the game a buttload, and knows how to r@pe is whats needed.

That way they have better views on balance, priorities of what keeps the game fresh, and so on.
For instance, its pretty much common knowledge the game needs a respec SOON(most would agree on doing it when racials are brought out[2.0?]) yet only kain spero is really in favor of respecs.

Funny Story,
CPM is not responsible for any sorts of balancing.
CCP Team Kong does that work, and they're far better armed at it because they have the entire player base generating numbers.

Also time and time again Pro (specialist type) players have proven to me they are more than capable of overlooking pain points often because it doesn't affect them or they're ignorant such options exist. (top of the world blindness)

Now on the other hand players who say run PC battles often, have to organize and devise tactics are the type of pro players that would be more useful as they are going to be more familiar with the stupid and smart things players do and things that are just to easy to press button to get bacon. These sorts are also quickest to adapt if you take away their favorite toy (where the other type would throw a hissy fit and refuse to adapt.)

Top world blindness, or adaptability, which is it? It can't be both. If a player is capable of breaking down everything and finding the best and worst option he's a good pick - but if he's capable of that it also means he's capable of noticing the little things that may irk others.

But what it really boils down too is if the 'pro' player is looking to make the gun fun or balanced. Dust has shown us the both don't always meet eye to eye. Example: AR. It's a fun weapon to use because you can meet several situations and come out on top - but it's not very balanced in regards to other weapons, making those other weapons less fun. So do you nerf the weapon of choice - or buff the weapons not enjoying themselves?


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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10308	Posted - 2013.11.16 20:06:00 - [1] - Quote Types of Commitments Time For the americas the meetings are about 2 am in the morning Europe about 8 am Auzzies and asians about lunch time All on work days Type of work Expected Turn Around on subject brought up by CCP about 24-48 hours, sometimes even less on very hot button topics. Meeting agendas are about a week long process before the meeting leaving plenty of time for research allowing you have a nice big stack of notes and unfortunately only one hour to talk about it. Being in the current know of player issues to a various degree, or being able to comprehend and sympathize with player issues that are not shared by the general base, for example lag in PC battles. Start to understand CCPs development process, work around and work with it, there are times you can shove a wedge in but knowing where is critically important. For example complaining about a feature already locked for 1.7 is not going to change it for 1.7 so you need to move onto options after 1.7 such as is it hotfixable? is there a hotfix bandaid option possible? Help developers on wording of some posts, we know that developers don't make the best public speakers, classic public known example; "Your BPOs are not safe." There have been a few dozen times developers wanted to post information and passed it to the cpm real quick and the cpm saw similar like statements Important Traits to have as a CPM Passion for both game and community - because quitting during that time is asking to get thrown under the bus :P. Excellent communication skills - More so on being able to approach people, and get the information you're seeking. Somewhat thicker skin - there will be people that will not like you and they will do their best to make it known. Maturity - As in control of one's own responses, emotions, and opinions. Approachable - you need to have this to some degree, if you bit everyone's heads off that ever comes to you, you're not representing. Compromising - being able to let go your own side for betterment of the game. Diplomatic - In the sense of saying the meanest things in the nicest ways. The Baggage Things not to bring into the CPM Drama - Its not needed here ever, it detracts from working with CCP on things. Your old allegiances - See Drama. Angst and Irate atmospheres - The idea is to get ccp talk to you often, acting like an ***** to ** the developers off is counter productive in the CPM so doing things to annoy the crap out of the developers such as circular logic, ad hominem, and many other fallacies people employ to elevate blood pressure. These is not the same as being critical, negative, and saying no. A Hallow Stone Wall - being a hardline on something for no good reason isn't healthy for debates either you need to have very good solid reasons as to why you're on that position should a topic of that nature show up. [*] Your KDR - nobody honestly cares how good you are with an weapon x here, its more about how to nerf the damn thing when its obvious you are far far far from alone on that type of KDR on the same weapon. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10314	Posted - 2013.11.16 20:32:00 - [2] - Quote Also being CPM can suck up quite a bit of your free and game play time. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10316	Posted - 2013.11.16 21:06:00 - [3] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: I'm interested in making this game better and through that increase the game's playerbase - to have healthy large base of dusters to play with! If CPM members would be able to contribute into that and if there would be CPM elections, I would consider running. I'm interested in particular: - New player experience - Market - Reaching a great gameplay balance before introducing too many elements into the mix - Enough variation in the game modes, maps and map infra in order to avoid repetition in gameplay - Introducing 'thousand papercut' program for Dust devs: will to tackle those hundreds of easily fixable minor issues which tend to stack up and make our lives miserable on the whole - Making sure devs and CCP lead will at least give an ear to valid criticiscm And those who have followed my posts might agree that I try to see both sides of the coin as things are rarely black and white. Thank you for reading. /Kero NPE there is a chance of but you have to understand most of this is in Game Development's hands, we're still waiting on execution on a few backlogged suggestions and only repeat the long list of wants when asked for instead of wasting time in other meetings repeating the subject. Market we recently had a fruitful discussion with and to great extent so far has been very wonderful on the progress we're making with them so far. Expect some changes in values. Game Balance identification and turn around (the time from knowing its out of balance to time of fix) is something the CPM has continued to stress upon and wished that CCP had staffing on the team responsible to handle the wanted workload. I am not sure how long or what it would take to fix it, but the CPM and community has expressed it pretty clearly. There are some plans to help alleviate balance issues as they appear on newer items but as for fixing things that are major systems such as TTK environment eats up a significant amount of time away from future features as well. Game modes has been something the CPM has been asking for as well but with the roadmap focusing on core, the new game modes were set aside. Thousand Paper-cuts you say? This could be an opportunity by a prospective CPM candidate to start up and run, after all the eve online thousand paper cuts was and still ran by a regular non csm member. I used to be able to do them but with my time in college and CPM now having a back log I can no longer maintain such list. CPM has been stressing this as well, and its beginning to look serious on CCP's end with the new EP pushing things around, for example the new gun stats and vehicle stats that came out. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10320	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:05:00 - [4] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Over the course of the CPM term so far there have been 0 Issues about prototype brought up by CCP. 1 instance of the AR and it was not the sole object in the subject. About 3 instances of the vehicles. 4 other instances over weapons and these all total are not even 10% of the topics discussed and thats how minor they are. The lack of balance and these problems IWS is a major part of why the playerbase is so low and why people leave. Thats more important then marketting. Player retention > player aquisition Its great to get new players but it wont matter if theres no one wanting to play it after a week. Balance issues have been brought up nearly at every chance. Marketing is just as an important issue to say otherwise disqualifies you, proof of how important that is for player retention is to look at all the complaints about the packs, the omega booster and more. Player Acquisition is Player retention. You do not acquire a player if he quits on day one now do we? Learn your terms a bit the words you were looking for is attraction. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10320	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:14:00 - [5] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Over the course of the CPM term so far there have been 0 Issues about prototype brought up by CCP. 1 instance of the AR and it was not the sole object in the subject. About 3 instances of the vehicles. 4 other instances over weapons and these all total are not even 10% of the topics discussed and thats how minor they are. The lack of balance and these problems IWS is a major part of why the playerbase is so low and why people leave. Thats more important then marketting. Player retention > player aquisition Its great to get new players but it wont matter if theres no one wanting to play it after a week. Balance issues have been brought up nearly at every chance. and thats all fine and dandy but if they arnt pushed as the top 5 most important issues then theres a problem. Look at my corp, this characters corp. 152 people, maybe 3 active. They all left because the lack of balance. Thats ONE corperation. Thats a problem. Edit : I should mention, that prior to uprising and even in the first few days of uprising, these people were on at least 3 - 4 times a week. Sorry CCP doesn't look at claims about corporate politics but they do look at the numbers fed to them by the servers instead. While your own corp may be failing to maintain presence other corps are swelling in numbers and maintaining their numbers. The whole churning is normal, trim and weed and replant. I am unable to claim majority of players want x or my constituent wants y. I have to show CCP or stir up trouble on showing them this is the story Z, and we need solutions to alleviate these concerns with parts of solution A B and C. Saying the 'players want' just bad translates into 'what I want' in the cpm circle. It is almost just better to drop that part off entirely. No need to sell that further inside using such silly phrases but having a well thought out and we'll debate thread on the forums, video evidence, clicking back to community reports has helped pushed agendas that need addressing. The other thing people are going have to accept while being in the CPM is being wrong. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10324	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:21:00 - [6] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I'd vote for sota, we need someone on CPM who doesn't have the view of a scrub. In other words A GOOD player often has different, more educated opinions on video games. Having someone whose participated in PC, has played the game a buttload, and knows how to r@pe is whats needed. That way they have better views on balance, priorities of what keeps the game fresh, and so on. For instance, its pretty much common knowledge the game needs a respec SOON(most would agree on doing it when racials are brought out[2.0?]) yet only kain spero is really in favor of respecs. Funny Story, CPM is not responsible for any sorts of balancing. CCP Team Kong does that work, and they're far better armed at it because they have the entire player base generating numbers. Also time and time again Pro (specialist type) players have proven to me they are more than capable of overlooking pain points often because it doesn't affect them or they're ignorant such options exist. (top of the world blindness) Now on the other hand players who say run PC battles often, have to organize and devise tactics are the type of pro players that would be more useful as they are going to be more familiar with the stupid and smart things players do and things that are just to easy to press button to get bacon. These sorts are also quickest to adapt if you take away their favorite toy (where the other type would throw a hissy fit and refuse to adapt.) CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10327	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:43:00 - [7] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Its not my corps poltics, its that nearly everyone sead, WoW, this game WAS fun, now its ****. I would like to ask you if you know how highly ineffective that statement is. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10330	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:59:00 - [8] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Its not my corps poltics, its that nearly everyone sead, WoW, this game WAS fun, now its ****. I would like to ask you if you know how highly ineffective that statement is. Im just saying Wolf, when that many people exodus at once, a problem, wether or not you care. Let me ask you again, Do you have any idea how weak your statement is? Sit down and think about it, you're talking to a guy that works on the game and you told this to him, do you think this statement would cause action? or even a response from the developer? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10330	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:02:00 - [9] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Certain CPM's are guilty of what you speak of anyway .. I'm looking at you Mr What the French CPM Cadezeron or whatever his name is, not accepting that there is a problem with matchmaking and protostomping in pubgames because his corp constantly does it .. how surprising lol I've already said that it's about time all of the current CPM's did the right thing and stepped down, we've had enough of your incompetence and we didn't vote for you so we will never trust that you have all of our interests at heart and based on the game as it is now .. it honestly doesn't seem that you do I think I saw someone use the 'Old boys club' quote and it is a very apt summary of the current CPM's and based on this thread .. there is alot of discontent and disillusionment with the job the current CPM's are doing .. 'Having a voice that doesn't listen to you and just says what it wants to say is not a voice you want speaking on your behalf' I can't speak for Cazderon or Kain or any other CPM members for that manner but most of the time, if one member of the CPM is not particularly helpful find ANOTHER. I find Proto Stomping a serious issue and I am sure I am not the only one of 6 that thinks so. Why if all the CPM thought alike there be bad things happening. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10330	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:04:00 - [10] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Yes, because iv worked with Devs teams before and when they lost 50 people they flipped ****. Also just an ineffective statement. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10330	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:06:00 - [11] - Quote Leithe Askarii wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I haven't seen a thread like this in a while, and I'm just curious. I know elections are still a long ways away, but I'm just wondering who among us actually wants to take up that mantle? I know that at some point in the future, I would like to run for the council, though right now I would be a bad fit because of RL stuff, so I won't be running in the first election. The last thing I want is to be a drain on the CPM, which is why I'll be waiting. That said, I know there are a number of you who would make great candidates, and I just wanted to make this thread so we can get a better idea of who's still interested in the position, and why. Remove all the current CPM's apart from Iron Wolf I have still yet to see a single constructive post made by any of the other CPM's who simply abuse their position and don't actually forward any of the player feedback onto CCP You are an idiot, IWS, and no offence to him, is not the CPM I would go to if I had something to suggest to the devs. Hans by far is my fav CPM simply because he has gone out of his way several times to ge people together to discuss game features and such. Someone whose paying attention <3 If you're also wondering he has the rolled up newspaper. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10331	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:11:00 - [12] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Yes, because iv worked with Devs teams before and when they lost 50 people they flipped **. Also just an ineffective statement. Then tell them to look at the data Let me harken this time old phrase. "Preaching to the Choir." or more rudely "No @#$% Sherlock." So we wasted what 8, 10 posts? and about an hour trying to exacerbate a symptom and not heal the source of the problem. See how inefficient and ineffective it is? How to be more effective: Quote:** Hey CCP, ran across this thread thought it be worth a look to the development team responsible maybe get some small talk about what they're up to on fixing the issue. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121656&find=unread At that point the message generally winds up on that team lead's desk he looks it over analyzes it and sometimes sends a message back or gets in skype and asks a few questions or shows up in our next meeting to discuss the longer term plans on fixing things. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10332	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:52:00 - [13] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I'd consider it if it wasn't for: - The insane amount of bullshit heaped on them by the trolling public. - The ridiculous level of expectations in terms of impact they can have on the game. - The fact I'd might have to stop representing my own opinions. - The fact I wasn't here for private beta and hence probably would get two votes. I can see point one two and three. Point 4 shouldn't be much of a factor if you're a real community sort of person and can garner lots of positive attention. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10341	Posted - 2013.11.17 01:10:00 - [14] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: I'd vote for sota, we need someone on CPM who doesn't have the view of a scrub. In other words A GOOD player often has different, more educated opinions on video games. Having someone whose participated in PC, has played the game a buttload, and knows how to r@pe is whats needed. That way they have better views on balance, priorities of what keeps the game fresh, and so on. For instance, its pretty much common knowledge the game needs a respec SOON(most would agree on doing it when racials are brought out[2.0?]) yet only kain spero is really in favor of respecs. Funny Story, CPM is not responsible for any sorts of balancing. CCP Team Kong does that work, and they're far better armed at it because they have the entire player base generating numbers. Also time and time again Pro (specialist type) players have proven to me they are more than capable of overlooking pain points often because it doesn't affect them or they're ignorant such options exist. (top of the world blindness) Now on the other hand players who say run PC battles often, have to organize and devise tactics are the type of pro players that would be more useful as they are going to be more familiar with the stupid and smart things players do and things that are just to easy to press button to get bacon. These sorts are also quickest to adapt if you take away their favorite toy (where the other type would throw a hissy fit and refuse to adapt.) Top world blindness, or adaptability, which is it? It can't be both. If a player is capable of breaking down everything and finding the best and worst option he's a good pick - but if he's capable of that it also means he's capable of noticing the little things that may irk others. But what it really boils down too is if the 'pro' player is looking to make the gun fun or balanced. Dust has shown us the both don't always meet eye to eye. Example: AR. It's a fun weapon to use because you can meet several situations and come out on top - but it's not very balanced in regards to other weapons, making those other weapons less fun. So do you nerf the weapon of choice - or buff the weapons not enjoying themselves? Of course you can't. Which is why you can really separate the boys from the men as one puts it. Remove forge gun splash? not going to stop a forge sniper. Just there are too many players who profess they're pros and they're really just copy cats and annoy me to no end when you try to mention the mere thought about breaking their favorite toy. You're also right, fun and balanced is hard to see eye to eye. Its possible to get there where they can agree to a degree the game can be fun and balanced. Just potential CPM needs to be able to concede over the simple facts that maybe their view on any subject may not be the best for everyone and must be willing to bend or break their views for the betterment of the game. As some of you may recall I am very much against respecs but lately I been having to bend and conceded on the notion because ultimately it is very harmful to deny the player base this option. However because of my opposing views i am able to throw up a number of flags to be addressed before it can make it in which would make it fair for everyone who utilizes it and keeps some views of the anti-respec preserved CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked