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Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2185	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:31:00 - [1] - Quote This is what happens when you have a full team of high up corps that have proto and they are put against people who barely have anything skilled up. Matchmaking sucks Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 88	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:36:00 - [2] - Quote Void Echo wrote: This is what happens when you have a full team of high up corps that have proto and they are put against people who barely have anything skilled up. Matchmaking sucks Thanks VOID, for this enlightening video. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2186	Posted - 2013.11.16 12:55:00 - [3] - Quote CCP, anything to say? Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 792	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:07:00 - [4] - Quote You need to upgrade your potato for better recording. But I won't grief you for it. I understand. Thank you for putting up the strife that goes on every single day near constantly. Meta-based matchmaking is the answer. "I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:17:00 - [5] - Quote Void Echo wrote: This is what happens when you have a full team of high up corps that have proto and they are put against people who barely have anything skilled up. Matchmaking sucks i would also like to apologize for the poor quality, the only recording device i have is the dazzle cable and its video quality sucks.... so please bare with me at least until i can afford to get the el gato capture card so i can give you good quality videos. Yeap it's pretty much the story in 19/20 games It's an extremely serious problem that get's overlooked because it benefits a majority of the vets who actually actively take part in the stomping Every suggestion about SP based matchmaking or Meta level gamemodes gets dismissed by these people because they don't see a problem with what is shown in your video I posted a thread about holding a protest and it proceeded to be met with hostility by these people and instead of them actually thinking about why the protest was suggested they instead reverted to denying that there's a problem and to HTFU It's at the stage where the only way to get this issue resolved is to continue posting evidence like you have done and to hold an ingame protest, a declining player base hasn't led to CCP fixing the issue and if people not playing the game has no affect then honestly what else is there we can do to get the problem looked at and dealt with ? PS Good job on the video evidence, It doesn't matter if the quality isn't perfect as we can see the problem clearly Join the Revolution
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:23:00 - [6] - Quote Void Echo wrote: This is what happens when you have a full team of high up corps that have proto and they are put against people who barely have anything skilled up. Matchmaking sucks i would also like to apologize for the poor quality, the only recording device i have is the dazzle cable and its video quality sucks.... so please bare with me at least until i can afford to get the el gato capture card so i can give you good quality videos. Forgot to add this 'As a gamer I can forgive any problem as long as the game is fun, that is the reason I play games .. if a game mechanic makes the game not fun and tedious then that is a problem that can't be ignored.' Join the Revolution
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1675	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:29:00 - [7] - Quote Are you suprised? I play solo quite a bit and get proto stomped alot, now i can proto stomp or bring out a tank but its pointless and you lose ISK either way and i end up using BPO fits and mucking about Now if im in a 6man group i can then proto stomp since its more efficient since its most likely we all have proto and we whack most games easily namely due to being against randoms You solo you get stomped, you group you do the stomping, there seems to be no middle ground at all
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2013.11.16 16:46:00 - [8] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you suprised? I play solo quite a bit and get proto stomped alot, now i can proto stomp or bring out a tank but its pointless and you lose ISK either way and i end up using BPO fits and mucking about Now if im in a 6man group i can then proto stomp since its more efficient since its most likely we all have proto and we whack most games easily namely due to being against randoms You solo you get stomped, you group you do the stomping, there seems to be no middle ground at all Yep the game has become stale and predictable Join the Revolution
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1119	Posted - 2013.11.16 17:02:00 - [9] - Quote hur hur hur how dare you turn on your PS3 and not want to run with 5 other ppl while they eat in your ear, talk **** and think they are awesome cause they can smoke a bong while on comms, you obviously think teamwork is OP and you should like kill yourself cause you don't protostomp matches into the redline with your polesmoking friends. sarc off nothing is gunna change no one at CCP is holding their dust division accountable for their terrible game and the moronic playerbase keeps on buying aur.
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2191	Posted - 2013.11.16 20:26:00 - [10] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: hur hur hur how dare you turn on your PS3 and not want to run with 5 other ppl while they eat in your ear, talk **** and think they are awesome cause they can smoke a bong while on comms, you obviously think teamwork is OP and you should like kill yourself cause you don't protostomp matches into the redline with your polesmoking friends. sarc off nothing is gunna change no one at CCP is holding their dust division accountable for their terrible game and the moronic playerbase keeps on buying aur. teamwork is not the problem here, if my team was matched with anyone on the same skill level and sp level as the average player on my team, if im the only one who can actually compete with them, then whats the point of playing the match? Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior

Tectonic Fusion 565	Posted - 2013.11.16 20:28:00 - [11] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Void Echo wrote: This is what happens when you have a full team of high up corps that have proto and they are put against people who barely have anything skilled up. Matchmaking sucks i would also like to apologize for the poor quality, the only recording device i have is the dazzle cable and its video quality sucks.... so please bare with me at least until i can afford to get the el gato capture card so i can give you good quality videos. Yeap it's pretty much the story in 19/20 games It's an extremely serious problem that get's overlooked because it benefits a majority of the vets who actually actively take part in the stomping Every suggestion about SP based matchmaking or Meta level gamemodes gets dismissed by these people because they don't see a problem with what is shown in your video I posted a thread about holding a protest and it proceeded to be met with hostility by these people and instead of them actually thinking about why the protest was suggested they instead reverted to denying that there's a problem and to HTFU It's at the stage where the only way to get this issue resolved is to continue posting evidence like you have done and to hold an ingame protest, a declining player base hasn't led to CCP fixing the issue and if people not playing the game has no affect then honestly what else is there we can do to get the problem looked at and dealt with ? PS Good job on the video evidence, It doesn't matter if the quality isn't perfect as we can see the problem clearly For me, only like 5/20 games. But I guess I do really well, so I don't realize I'm facing good players unless I join a game that will end in 6 minutes or less. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1045	Posted - 2013.11.16 21:50:00 - [12] - Quote Void Echo wrote: CCP, anything to say? CCP wrote: SoonGäó Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Rei Shepard Ametat Security Amarr Empire 997	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:02:00 - [13] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you suprised? I play solo quite a bit and get proto stomped alot, now i can proto stomp or bring out a tank but its pointless and you lose ISK either way and i end up using BPO fits and mucking about Now if im in a 6man group i can then proto stomp since its more efficient since its most likely we all have proto and we whack most games easily namely due to being against randoms You solo you get stomped, you group you do the stomping, there seems to be no middle ground at all I have very little issues fighting teams solo or in a duo, but in some it can go sideways really fast when its up against 2 teams, but i prefer a fast paced game where i need to react in a split second vs those games where you are in a team of 6, most of the 6 man teams ive been in, i had issues staying awake. Ive pretty much perfected my suit setup tonight and have broken all my previous records while running solo. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 226	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:12:00 - [14] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Meta-based matchmaking is the answer. I keep seeing this suggestion, and I have no idea how it could be implemented. I've skilled up to PRO in a number of things, but I mostly run STD gear. Am I supposed to be matched with the protostompers? If they base it, a bit more intelligently, on the average meta I've run over the past, say, month, and I'm matched with other STD users, I can suddenly go full PRO and stomp everyone. If I kept it up, my average meta use would slowly rise, though, so I suppose I just answered my own question. Is this the sort of thing you have in mind? In any case, my gun game is pretty crappy compared to average, though I have lots of SP and high-level gear from playing far too much...meta-level matchmaking (by itself, at least), wouldn't address that.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 390	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:17:00 - [15] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Are you suprised? I play solo quite a bit and get proto stomped alot, now i can proto stomp or bring out a tank but its pointless and you lose ISK either way and i end up using BPO fits and mucking about Now if im in a 6man group i can then proto stomp since its more efficient since its most likely we all have proto and we whack most games easily namely due to being against randoms You solo you get stomped, you group you do the stomping, there seems to be no middle ground at all Even with 24 million SP I still get completely owned just as if I was a completely noob. (Though I technically am a noob as my KDR suggests...) Either way. I run in mostly militia BPO suits 99.9% of public matches. Don't think that just because you run in a proto suit means you're a proto stomper (god this term is so freaking annoying). You'll die just as fast to a militia gun in a SEVER suit as you will to a CK.0 or GK.0 with a duvolle AR. It's the same crap. And yes matchmaking sucks, even for the VETS. One of our best squads gets pitted up against 2 full squads of some of the top guys and the rest of our 10 team members sits in the red line sniping. OR it's the other way around. We'll get another full squad on our side against an entire team of snipers and solo players so it's red line in about 15 seconds. It's absolutely no fun to play those matches. We don't even run proto gear in these matches just to keep the battle going. They need to match make by squad size. If you've got a full squad you get put on one side, then another full squad on the other side, and then match that way. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 185	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:38:00 - [16] - Quote Trust me CCP must know. I was playing a few nights ago and some CCP were playing aswell. Lets just say they got pub-stomped a few times by good old nyan-san as well. an easy fix to Matchmaking
Rei Shepard Ametat Security Amarr Empire 997	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:39:00 - [17] - Quote Quote: They need to match make by squad size. If you've got a full squad you get put on one side, then another full squad on the other side, and then match that way. Yeah, i have no idea how they cannot figure this part out at all, had one game with one side having 1 team, my side had me and madlax ....so it was 6 vs 2...then the side with 6 got another 6 man team ... We got ....nobody else .... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1051	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:41:00 - [18] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Trust me CCP must know. I was playing a few nights ago and some CCP were playing aswell. Lets just say they got pub-stomped a few times by good old nyan-san as well. I will give you enough money for 200k AUR, and some EVE PLEX if you have a video to post on Youtube. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 186	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:44:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Trust me CCP must know. I was playing a few nights ago and some CCP were playing aswell. Lets just say they got pub-stomped a few times by good old nyan-san as well. I will give you enough money for 200k AUR, and some EVE PLEX if you have a video to post on Youtube. Wow, I appreciate the offer but unfortunately I do not. Trust me though it was not pretty. Next time it happens I will try to set up some type of recording It was awesome seeing them in game for a while. an easy fix to Matchmaking
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2192	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:45:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Trust me CCP must know. I was playing a few nights ago and some CCP were playing aswell. Lets just say they got pub-stomped a few times by good old nyan-san as well. I will give you enough money for 200k AUR, and some EVE PLEX if you have a video to post on Youtube. I got a video, il take the money Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1096	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:47:00 - [21] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Void Echo wrote: This is what happens when you have a full team of high up corps that have proto and they are put against people who barely have anything skilled up. Matchmaking sucks i would also like to apologize for the poor quality, the only recording device i have is the dazzle cable and its video quality sucks.... so please bare with me at least until i can afford to get the el gato capture card so i can give you good quality videos. Yeap it's pretty much the story in 19/20 games It's an extremely serious problem that get's overlooked because it benefits a majority of the vets who actually actively take part in the stomping Every suggestion about SP based matchmaking or Meta level gamemodes gets dismissed by these people because they don't see a problem with what is shown in your video I posted a thread about holding a protest and it proceeded to be met with hostility by these people and instead of them actually thinking about why the protest was suggested they instead reverted to denying that there's a problem and to HTFU It's at the stage where the only way to get this issue resolved is to continue posting evidence like you have done and to hold an ingame protest, a declining player base hasn't led to CCP fixing the issue and if people not playing the game has no affect then honestly what else is there we can do to get the problem looked at and dealt with ? PS Good job on the video evidence, It doesn't matter if the quality isn't perfect as we can see the problem clearly Alright, now allow me to preface this by stating that I am (and always have been/will be) 100% against AFKing for ISK/SP. Now that that is out of the way, I support your protest idea. Here is how I propose it be done. These ******* generally all get off on how "leet" they are by racking up huge numbers of kills and how they have a KDR over 9000 and this is their proof of how "leet" they are. So simply deny them kills, rubberband your controller and spin circles in the MCC while reading or playing with fits or whatever tickles you at the moment. Yeah, they'll win the match but they won't get their astronomical KDR. If you're like me and can't stomach the thought of AFKing, run [STARTER FIT]s and take pride in knowing that you aren't losing anything aside from KDR (which really is meaningless in the grand scheme of things) while ever time one of them dies, it is likely that they are losing the cost of a PRO fits (since you're not really "leet" if you don't take absolutely EVERY advantage you can). Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1546	Posted - 2013.11.16 22:53:00 - [22] - Quote Gorra Snell wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: Meta-based matchmaking is the answer. I keep seeing this suggestion, and I have no idea how it could be implemented. I've skilled up to PRO in a number of things, but I mostly run STD gear. Am I supposed to be matched with the protostompers? If they base it, a bit more intelligently, on the average meta I've run over the past, say, month, and I'm matched with other STD users, I can suddenly go full PRO and stomp everyone. If I kept it up, my average meta use would slowly rise, though, so I suppose I just answered my own question. Is this the sort of thing you have in mind? In any case, my gun game is pretty crappy compared to average, though I have lots of SP and high-level gear from playing far too much...meta-level matchmaking (by itself, at least), wouldn't address that. Joins Standard Match Any fit with a proto gun or suit is locked There. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1096	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:01:00 - [23] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Gorra Snell wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: Meta-based matchmaking is the answer. I keep seeing this suggestion, and I have no idea how it could be implemented. I've skilled up to PRO in a number of things, but I mostly run STD gear. Am I supposed to be matched with the protostompers? If they base it, a bit more intelligently, on the average meta I've run over the past, say, month, and I'm matched with other STD users, I can suddenly go full PRO and stomp everyone. If I kept it up, my average meta use would slowly rise, though, so I suppose I just answered my own question. Is this the sort of thing you have in mind? In any case, my gun game is pretty crappy compared to average, though I have lots of SP and high-level gear from playing far too much...meta-level matchmaking (by itself, at least), wouldn't address that. Joins Standard Match Any fit with a proto gun or suit is locked There. Technically, shouldn't it also include Complex mods? Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 173	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:20:00 - [24] - Quote First, Nian San is a fantastic asset for the Dust 514 community. They set the bar pretty high, and I usually feel like a n00b when they slaughter my best dropsuits. Without teams like Nian San or Ancient Exiles we wouldn't have any reason to improve, and the rare upset is the best I can do to keep it interesting for them. I play a lot of one sided matches with the hope that a random shuffle will result in a glorious slaughter (a close fight). Matchmaking needs improvement, but so do most of the Dust 514 mercs (including me). There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 15	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:33:00 - [25] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Void Echo wrote: This is what happens when you have a full team of high up corps that have proto and they are put against people who barely have anything skilled up. Matchmaking sucks i would also like to apologize for the poor quality, the only recording device i have is the dazzle cable and its video quality sucks.... so please bare with me at least until i can afford to get the el gato capture card so i can give you good quality videos. Yeap it's pretty much the story in 19/20 games It's an extremely serious problem that get's overlooked because it benefits a majority of the vets who actually actively take part in the stomping Every suggestion about SP based matchmaking or Meta level gamemodes gets dismissed by these people because they don't see a problem with what is shown in your video I posted a thread about holding a protest and it proceeded to be met with hostility by these people and instead of them actually thinking about why the protest was suggested they instead reverted to denying that there's a problem and to HTFU It's at the stage where the only way to get this issue resolved is to continue posting evidence like you have done and to hold an ingame protest, a declining player base hasn't led to CCP fixing the issue and if people not playing the game has no affect then honestly what else is there we can do to get the problem looked at and dealt with ? PS Good job on the video evidence, It doesn't matter if the quality isn't perfect as we can see the problem clearly Alright, now allow me to preface this by stating that I am (and always have been/will be) 100% against AFKing for ISK/SP. Now that that is out of the way, I support your protest idea. Here is how I propose it be done. These ******* generally all get off on how "leet" they are by racking up huge numbers of kills and how they have a KDR over 9000 and this is their proof of how "leet" they are. So simply deny them kills, rubberband your controller and spin circles in the MCC while reading or playing with fits or whatever tickles you at the moment. Yeah, they'll win the match but they won't get their astronomical KDR. If you're like me and can't stomach the thought of AFKing, run [STARTER FIT]s and take pride in knowing that you aren't losing anything aside from KDR (which really is meaningless in the grand scheme of things) while ever time one of them dies, it is likely that they are losing the cost of a PRO fits (since you're not really "leet" if you don't take absolutely EVERY advantage you can). I've never AFKed before, I probably should've mentioned that in the protest post and the only reason I'm going to do it on pubgames on wednesday's is as an act of protest Join the Revolution
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2192	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:34:00 - [26] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: First, Nian San is a fantastic asset for the Dust 514 community. They set the bar pretty high, and I usually feel like a n00b when they slaughter my best dropsuits. Without teams like Nian San or Ancient Exiles we wouldn't have any reason to improve, and the rare upset is the best I can do to keep it interesting for them. I play a lot of one sided matches with the hope that a random shuffle will result in a glorious slaughter (a close fight). Matchmaking needs improvement, but so do most of the Dust 514 mercs (including me). your the only one I know of that has this mentality. there is no fun in one sided matches, its either you get your ass stomped with no chance of victory or you get bored the whole match because you don't have a challenge. Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 226	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:36:00 - [27] - Quote Stop hating on Scotty...he tried so hard, he just can fit all you fatties into good matches. Ok, seriously, Scotty is a douche..i hate being protostomped...not this guy..but my alts...oh my poor alts.. The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 15	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:39:00 - [28] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: First, Nian San is a fantastic asset for the Dust 514 community. They set the bar pretty high, and I usually feel like a n00b when they slaughter my best dropsuits. Without teams like Nian San or Ancient Exiles we wouldn't have any reason to improve, and the rare upset is the best I can do to keep it interesting for them. I play a lot of one sided matches with the hope that a random shuffle will result in a glorious slaughter (a close fight). Matchmaking needs improvement, but so do most of the Dust 514 mercs (including me). You couldn't have made it more obvious that you are an alt of a Nyain San/ AE member if you'd have said I AM FROM NYAIN SAN/AE lol Join the Revolution
Suanar Daranaus Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:41:00 - [29] - Quote I was once in a game where it was 1 vs 0. I got to hack everything. I still lost.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1097	Posted - 2013.11.16 23:48:00 - [30] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Void Echo wrote: This is what happens when you have a full team of high up corps that have proto and they are put against people who barely have anything skilled up. Matchmaking sucks i would also like to apologize for the poor quality, the only recording device i have is the dazzle cable and its video quality sucks.... so please bare with me at least until i can afford to get the el gato capture card so i can give you good quality videos. Yeap it's pretty much the story in 19/20 games It's an extremely serious problem that get's overlooked because it benefits a majority of the vets who actually actively take part in the stomping Every suggestion about SP based matchmaking or Meta level gamemodes gets dismissed by these people because they don't see a problem with what is shown in your video I posted a thread about holding a protest and it proceeded to be met with hostility by these people and instead of them actually thinking about why the protest was suggested they instead reverted to denying that there's a problem and to HTFU It's at the stage where the only way to get this issue resolved is to continue posting evidence like you have done and to hold an ingame protest, a declining player base hasn't led to CCP fixing the issue and if people not playing the game has no affect then honestly what else is there we can do to get the problem looked at and dealt with ? PS Good job on the video evidence, It doesn't matter if the quality isn't perfect as we can see the problem clearly Alright, now allow me to preface this by stating that I am (and always have been/will be) 100% against AFKing for ISK/SP. Now that that is out of the way, I support your protest idea. Here is how I propose it be done. These ******* generally all get off on how "leet" they are by racking up huge numbers of kills and how they have a KDR over 9000 and this is their proof of how "leet" they are. So simply deny them kills, rubberband your controller and spin circles in the MCC while reading or playing with fits or whatever tickles you at the moment. Yeah, they'll win the match but they won't get their astronomical KDR. If you're like me and can't stomach the thought of AFKing, run [STARTER FIT]s and take pride in knowing that you aren't losing anything aside from KDR (which really is meaningless in the grand scheme of things) while ever time one of them dies, it is likely that they are losing the cost of a PRO fits (since you're not really "leet" if you don't take absolutely EVERY advantage you can). I've never AFKed before, I probably should've mentioned that in the protest post and the only reason I'm going to do it on pubgames on wednesday's is as an act of protest Don't just do it on Wednesdays as an "act of Protest", just do it whenever you see a stacked amount of Protobears on the other side. @VAHZZ Scotty should be stripped of his yellow shirt and then issued a red shirt and a scrambler pistol shot to the neck. This would solve the matchmaking woes.... Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta



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