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247 ZEAD
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
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Posted - 2013.11.16 00:54:00 -
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Id like CCP to make a page to report hackers/moders in Dust. For instance, Clips A'hoy uses a lag switch mod, please look into it. Thank you |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
815
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Posted - 2013.11.16 01:06:00 -
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Do you have proof to support this claim other than "he was lagging when I tried to kill him"?
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94]
Burner of faces.
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1738
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Posted - 2013.11.16 01:10:00 -
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lately whenever I squad with people in my corp I get really Laggy (I'm canadian and lots of them are british) and I mostly Nova knife. I'm always afraid someone might think I'm lag switching when I'm not and I don't like people thinking of me as a poor sport. Maybe it's just he squaded with a laggy/other country person :/
GǃSpilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" - Draxus Prime
The Master of the Nova Knifes
Closed Beta Vet
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
935
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Posted - 2013.11.16 01:13:00 -
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Make note of the time, battle, and the people in question and submit a bug report. I've done it on several occasions when experiencing suspicious activity. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
5099
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Posted - 2013.11.16 01:31:00 -
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Lag switching in DUST is detrimental to the person using the lag switch. Although there appears to be alternative means to purposefully inducing lag. Such as spamming equipment, filling a squad with vastly different servers, etc. I don't know which ones cause the lag, but it's in there somewhere.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
832
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Posted - 2013.11.16 03:50:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Lag switching in DUST is detrimental to the person using the lag switch. Although there appears to be alternative means to purposefully inducing lag. Such as spamming equipment, filling a squad with vastly different servers, etc. I don't know which ones cause the lag, but it's in there somewhere.
(FYI, server lag and client lag are two different things. Server lag translates roughly as internet connection lag, and client lag just poor framerate as your system (ps3) can't draw the screen fast enough.)
Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance?
An idea:
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Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
719
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Posted - 2013.11.16 03:50:00 -
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247 ZEAD wrote:Id like CCP to make a page to report hackers/moders in Dust. For instance, Clips A'hoy uses a lag switch mod, please look into it. Thank you And you sir are stupid. Lag switching in dust will just screw you over. Because it is not based on console being the server. Dust is build into a server. Therefor when someone lag switches they freeze themselves into a still target and the server will register all your shots as they sit still. or else the server will compensate and keep the body moving slowly. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
832
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Posted - 2013.11.16 03:52:00 -
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247 ZEAD wrote:Id like CCP to make a page to report hackers/moders in Dust. For instance, Clips A'hoy uses a lag switch mod, please look into it. Thank you
And it's rude to go name dropping on forums. Rather send a mail support on any possible cases.
Quote:"15. Posting about bugs outside of the Technical Support/Bugs channel is prohibited. Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Non-exploitative bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a support ticket by e-mailing [email protected] or posting on the Technical Support/Bugs channel. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Giving step-by-step explanations of how to utilize/replicate an exploit on the forums is against the rules and should only be done through filing a ticket. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the DUST 514 community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation."
Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance?
An idea:
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day
82
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Posted - 2013.11.16 03:54:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Do you have proof to support this claim other than "he was lagging when I tried to kill him"? i need 2 mil isk to alt2 acc please, lost 4 tanks to cheaters, i got some kid down to 500 armor, takew cover for 2 seconds, i go in, he comes out with 6000 armor again |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
936
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Posted - 2013.11.16 06:56:00 -
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Okay my original post was too mean. But this kind of slander and cry-baby-ness has no place in any forum.
In the world of DUST/
The words are all in haiku/
Tweets are just too long
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dogmanpig
black market bank
45
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:26:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Lag switching in DUST is detrimental to the person using the lag switch. Although there appears to be alternative means to purposefully inducing lag. Such as spamming equipment, filling a squad with vastly different servers, etc. I don't know which ones cause the lag, but it's in there somewhere. (FYI, server lag and client lag are two different things. Server lag translates roughly as internet connection lag, and client lag just poor framerate as your system (ps3) can't draw the screen fast enough.) ^
btw lag switch and modded controllers not new
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF9W4aZCpoM effects of both in dust.
You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way.
Level 7 1/3 Forum alt.
"Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance
432
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:31:00 -
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I was in a Pretorian HAV owned by a member of What the French.
The thing moved like nothing I've seen before, it was faster and quicker off the mark than a LAV. It also healed EXACTLY 100HP a second, constantly. and then when the repper was on, EXACTLY 1000HP/s I bought the pack with the Petorian to see if it was a unique mod or something but nope, its all standard (high end but standard)
I have HAV's and almost all the mods, including reppers and all speed enhancements and I can't make a fit that behaves like that
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
949
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Posted - 2013.11.16 11:36:00 -
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The problem is that there are people that lag every match, it can't be a coincidence, i haven't reported a guy just because i don't encouter him very much, but every time i find him, in my team or the other, he is always teleporting, this happens since chromosome.
"Just another piece of duct tape"
Some love for gunners
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247 ZEAD
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
8
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:53:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:247 ZEAD wrote:Id like CCP to make a page to report hackers/moders in Dust. For instance, Clips A'hoy uses a lag switch mod, please look into it. Thank you And you sir are stupid. Lag switching in dust will just screw you over. Because it is not based on console being the server. Dust is build into a server. Therefor when someone lag switches they freeze themselves into a still target and the server will register all your shots as they sit still. or else the server will compensate and keep the body moving slowly. Stupid for trying to make the game better? He admited to hacking.
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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2628
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:29:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:lately whenever I squad with people in my corp I get really Laggy (I'm canadian and lots of them are british) and I mostly Nova knife. I'm always afraid someone might think I'm lag switching when I'm not and I don't like people thinking of me as a poor sport. Maybe it's just he squaded with a laggy/other country person :/ I understand where you are coming from. Whenever I play in other regions I tend to have the connection advantage; I can literally see myself getting hit and taking no damage.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Templar 10
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:38:00 -
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please take my limited knowledge into gaming as decent and relevant but inorder to use a lagg switch dont you require to be host of said game???????????? in order to lagg the server how ever dust514 doesnt run on player run servers like black ops 1 for exsample but i may be wrong but the fact that you would almost have to ddos tranquility to do it or the psn network at said time precisly for less than 6 seconds to preform a tricky manouver just seems like your crying over some one lagging get used to it and play pc and tell me if 100% of players are lag switching |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:41:00 -
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a lag switch would cause rubber banding, shots on target counting for nothing, clip glitches, and all sorts of other unpleasantness. basically your PS3 is not making the battlefield CCPs servers are and your PC is little more then a viewing window, a workstation building the visuals for the world the servers are building, with out a reliable connection the game is laughably unplayable.
now modded controllers can be used to great effect to give you high fire rate on pull per shot weapons, keep your shots accurate on auto weapons with out a drop in dps, but in the console world modded controllers are pro not cheating. Soooo yea I would suggest getting one. |
abarkrishna
The Elysian Knights
59
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:42:00 -
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There are severe latency problems with this game. But the fact of the matter is that lag switching will not help you at all. All damage is done server side not client side as someone had mentioned. Because of this when lag switching you are putting more latency between when you start shooting and when you start damaging the enemy. Not only would it make your aim horrible and make it impossible to get kills while doing so but who the hell would want to look at people rubber banding all the time.
The real issue is server latency, and rendering. The ps3 has quite bad hardware and this game should not even be on it. It should be a PC game.
They call me the C.L.I.T commander.
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abarkrishna
The Elysian Knights
59
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:45:00 -
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Templar 10 wrote:please take my limited knowledge into gaming as decent and relevant but inorder to use a lagg switch dont you require to be host of said game???????????? in order to lagg the server how ever dust514 doesnt run on player run servers like black ops 1 for exsample but i may be wrong but the fact that you would almost have to ddos tranquility to do it or the psn network at said time precisly for less than 6 seconds to preform a tricky manouver just seems like your crying over some one lagging get used to it and play pc and tell me if 100% of players are lag switching
Lag switching does not require making the server lag at all. Lag switching is manually changing your upload speed to something lower to create the illusion of lag on the server side while keeping it smooth on the switchers side by keeping download speed high. make sense?
They call me the C.L.I.T commander.
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
596
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:55:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:[quote=Maken Tosch]FYI, server lag and client lag are two different things. Server lag translates roughly as internet connection lag, and client lag just poor framerate Your terminology is incorrect, good sir. What you mean to say is latency and frame rate are two different things.
Humanity is the personification of change.
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Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.11.18 01:23:00 -
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247 ZEAD wrote:Id like CCP to make a page to report hackers/moders in Dust. For instance, Clips A'hoy uses a lag switch mod, please look into it. Thank you
A dirty Minmatar accusing a true son of God....typical Matari rhetoric. |
Templar 10
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.11.18 01:29:00 -
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abarkrishna wrote:Templar 10 wrote:please take my limited knowledge into gaming as decent and relevant but inorder to use a lagg switch dont you require to be host of said game???????????? in order to lagg the server how ever dust514 doesnt run on player run servers like black ops 1 for exsample but i may be wrong but the fact that you would almost have to ddos tranquility to do it or the psn network at said time precisly for less than 6 seconds to preform a tricky manouver just seems like your crying over some one lagging get used to it and play pc and tell me if 100% of players are lag switching Lag switching does not require making the server lag at all. Lag switching is manually changing your upload speed to something lower to create the illusion of lag on the server side while keeping it smooth on the switchers side by keeping download speed high. make sense?
cheers bud |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
888
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Posted - 2013.11.18 03:35:00 -
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Lag switching is not illegal. This is New Eden and most things simply are with no good or evil assigned to them by any CCP figurehead or grunt. New Eden is based on player versus player ganking. Get used to it, watch the CCP youtube video about HTFU, that will set your mind right.
Modified controllers are valid as anything that can plug into the PS3 USB port is valid as well. KB/M support requires that to be true, BTW as the PS3, and thus any game on it, is unable to determine that a USB device isn't exactly what it claims to be, modded or not.
For those that have little networking experience the answer is they work regardless of hosting the game or not. Hosting DUST is only possible for CCP as none other have the Ruby scripts to run the server code (some has been converted to C++, not all). The only real tweaking necessary is determining how long the switch needs to drop the network connection. Simply dropping ACKs in reply to a specific type of packet could solve it as well although that would be much more work than a timed button that drops the network connection for n number of milliseconds. Any reasonable adequate electronic tech could knock one out in 20 minutes and that includes rummaging around in the junk parts bin to find the pieces and a 555 timer.
Changing the speed of the network connection is not required as well. Simply have a jumper cable with an inline switch and drop anything that comes along when it looks like someone is gonna kill ya. The internet is built on hardware that was not expected to be perfect. Thus dropped packets and dropped connections in the millisecond range are almost always recoverable. Wires, switch and a little time. The version mentioned above is more elegant but is actually over designed related to the task at hand.
Now to add to our misery, there is no valid method established to determine the difference between a bad internet connection and a lag switcher obsessed piece of Kitten Excrement.
Welcome to DUST. |
247 ZEAD
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
8
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Posted - 2013.11.18 19:44:00 -
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Leithe Askarii wrote:247 ZEAD wrote:Id like CCP to make a page to report hackers/moders in Dust. For instance, Clips A'hoy uses a lag switch mod, please look into it. Thank you A dirty Minmatar accusing a true son of God....typical Matari rhetoric.
Are you stupid, or just ignorant. He addmitted to being a mod/hacker. If you cant except it go f yourself. Most hackers will admit it, saying its an art. SKILL IS AN ART! He cant even beat me anyway, never lost a match to him. |
247 ZEAD
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
8
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Posted - 2013.11.18 19:47:00 -
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Templar 10 wrote:please take my limited knowledge into gaming as decent and relevant but inorder to use a lagg switch dont you require to be host of said game???????????? in order to lagg the server how ever dust514 doesnt run on player run servers like black ops 1 for exsample but i may be wrong but the fact that you would almost have to ddos tranquility to do it or the psn network at said time precisly for less than 6 seconds to preform a tricky manouver just seems like your crying over some one lagging get used to it and play pc and tell me if 100% of players are lag switching
Not crying about anything, he still cant beat true skill, im just looking out for the noobs who try this game a few times only to get raped by hackers. I just want CCP to have a page where they can investigate matters of sort. |
CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
478
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Posted - 2013.11.18 19:48:00 -
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i dont see this as an issue.
what did concern me at one point in time was when i saw exploding sniper rounds during a pub stomp.. but it was probably just a 2 players shooting a fg and an sr in the same place at the same times. |
247 ZEAD
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
8
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Posted - 2013.11.18 19:52:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:a lag switch would cause rubber banding, shots on target counting for nothing, clip glitches, and all sorts of other unpleasantness. basically your PS3 is not making the battlefield CCPs servers are and your PC is little more then a viewing window, a workstation building the visuals for the world the servers are building, with out a reliable connection the game is laughably unplayable.
now modded controllers can be used to great effect to give you high fire rate on pull per shot weapons, keep your shots accurate on auto weapons with out a drop in dps, but in the console world modded controllers are pro not cheating. Soooo yea I would suggest getting one.
Mods are for *****'s. If you need auto fire buttons or auto aim or any assistance for a lack of skill you are the farthest thing from pro. What happenef to the true gamers who played hard to win instead of just paying for a win? Sad, really sad. |
247 ZEAD
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
8
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Posted - 2013.11.18 19:56:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:i dont see this as an issue.
what did concern me at one point in time was when i saw exploding sniper rounds during a pub stomp.. but it was probably just a 2 players shooting a fg and an sr in the same place at the same times.
I seen a guy get 49-0 useing an imperial scrambler rifle that delt 6500 hundred damage in 1 shot. He was blowing up ultra powerful tanks, dropships, limbus's all in 1 shot. So explain that? |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2013.11.18 20:25:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Lag switching is not illegal. This is New Eden and most things simply are with no good or evil assigned to them by any CCP figurehead or grunt. New Eden is based on player versus player ganking. Get used to it, watch the CCP youtube video about HTFU, that will set your mind right.
Modified controllers are valid as anything that can plug into the PS3 USB port is valid as well. KB/M support requires that to be true, BTW as the PS3, and thus any game on it, is unable to determine that a USB device isn't exactly what it claims to be, modded or not.
For those that have little networking experience the answer is they work regardless of hosting the game or not. Hosting DUST is only possible for CCP as none other have the Ruby scripts to run the server code (some has been converted to C++, not all). The only real tweaking necessary is determining how long the switch needs to drop the network connection. Simply dropping ACKs in reply to a specific type of packet could solve it as well although that would be much more work than a timed button that drops the network connection for n number of milliseconds. Any reasonable adequate electronic tech could knock one out in 20 minutes and that includes rummaging around in the junk parts bin to find the pieces and a 555 timer.
Changing the speed of the network connection is not required as well. Simply have a jumper cable with an inline switch and drop anything that comes along when it looks like someone is gonna kill ya. The internet is built on hardware that was not expected to be perfect. Thus dropped packets and dropped connections in the millisecond range are almost always recoverable. Wires, switch and a little time. The version mentioned above is more elegant but is actually over designed related to the task at hand.
Now to add to our misery, there is no valid method established to determine the difference between a bad internet connection and a lag switcher obsessed piece of Kitten Excrement.
Welcome to DUST.
Very informative and well spoken for and to those who are laypeople .
" Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1456
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Posted - 2013.11.18 21:41:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Do you have proof to support this claim other than "he was lagging when I tried to kill him"? i need 2 mil isk to alt2 acc please, lost 4 tanks to cheaters, i got some kid down to 500 armor, takew cover for 2 seconds, i go in, he comes out with 6000 armor again
Lol
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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