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HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 330	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:24:00 - [1] - Quote Dark orbit. Go check it out. You literally have to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to compete. Zero online. Another game where you can spend hundreds trying to win. Dust 514. I was killing protos month 3 with a gek. Spent 60$ on boostets and mispent 2 mil sp while learning. Dust is not pay to win. There is no game you can compare dust to as an accurate example of pay to win. Ive played those games. Dust isnt even close. You are welcome for my leadership
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5090	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:25:00 - [2] - Quote Don't forget World of Tanks. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2054	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:33:00 - [3] - Quote DUST was pay-to-win with fused grenades. However, don't forget that CCP is going to make AUR items available with Loyalty Points, so, after that, every trace of pay-to-win mechanics will be definitely removed from this game. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Pays 2 Win Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 139	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:40:00 - [4] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Dark orbit. Go check it out. You literally have to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to compete. Zero online. Another game where you can spend hundreds trying to win. Dust 514. I was killing protos month 3 with a gek. Spent 60$ on boostets and mispent 2 mil sp while learning. Dust is not pay to win. There is no game you can compare dust to as an accurate example of pay to win. Ive played those games. Dust isnt even close. Dust is, has always been and will always be Pay 2 Win! Who knows this better than yours truely
Sky Kage The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 54	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:42:00 - [5] - Quote Pays 2 Win wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Dark orbit. Go check it out. You literally have to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to compete. Zero online. Another game where you can spend hundreds trying to win. Dust 514. I was killing protos month 3 with a gek. Spent 60$ on boostets and mispent 2 mil sp while learning. Dust is not pay to win. There is no game you can compare dust to as an accurate example of pay to win. Ive played those games. Dust isnt even close. Dust is, has always been and will always be Pay 2 Win! Who knows this better than yours truely What do you want? a cookie? and yeah, i try telling people dust is not "pay to win" but they don't listen. Happiness is as a butterfly. when pursed it's always just beyond your grasp. but should you relax, It may alight you
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5092	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:43:00 - [6] - Quote The common mistake that the pay-to-win people make in regards to Dust is that they assume that progressing faster with Boosters = pay to win. The problem with that idea is that anyone can reach any level given enough time and effort put into the game. Player A puts in $$$ to reach 20 million SP sooner before Player B (who invested NO $$$) does. However, reaching 20 million SP doesn't make one an experienced veteran. Player B will eventually get there as well, but by that time Player B will have gathered a massive amount of actual experience compared to Player A. To put this into better perspective, assume you are a student ready for his practical driving test. You decide to "bribe" the instructor into letting you pass so you don't have to drive as much or just ignore your mistakes (the red light means "stop" not "you're almost there, so keep going"). You pass and you get the license. The next day, you're no better than you were yesterday and you end up causing a 10-car pile up followed by a massive BP fuel truck colliding and a massive fire ensures killing everyone on site all because you didn't stop at the red light and you were too stupid to think otherwise. Now let's change the scenario. Let's assume now that you DIDN'T bribe the instructor and you fail the test. You come back and try again and again while getting better every time. You lost plenty of time catching up, but eventually you earn the license and the next day not a single car accident occurred and you are now able to do the job you always wanted to be... a truck driver carrying millions of dollars of assets for a multi-billion-dollar company across the country and you're getting paid by that corp for your skills as a safe driver. ... Until one day someone runs the red light (someone "bribed" someone) and hits you causing you to get into a 10-car pile up which results in your assets getting lost in the crash. As one can clearly see... Dust is not pay to win because $$$ doesn't buy you experience to back up that shiny certificate. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5092	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:44:00 - [7] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: DUST was pay-to-win with fused grenades. Strong emphasis on the word "was". CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
LHughes xx The Fairies xx 181	Posted - 2013.11.15 20:44:00 - [8] - Quote Pay to win? Hard to define Pay to be better? Definently Give me ONE reason why you would put real money into a game voluntarily other than to be better. (except downs sysdrome)
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 708	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:08:00 - [9] - Quote Since you can never WIN at DUST; the game has no completion, you have to skew the term pay-to-win. Is it Pay-to-advantage? Pay-to-win gunfights? Pay-to-increase progression? Pay-to-have a permanent lead? Pay-to-do better? Yes, yes it is. A Prototype fit can be achieved 4-5 months quicker in this game simply by paying for it. Pay for boosters, then buy AURUM Prototype gear from there. Mean while, when the non payee gets to his first Prototype fit, you are are already on your second one. If paying for AURUM in this game didn't make a notable difference, than nobody would buy it. I've acquired 14 million SP in this game... never used any AURUM... and 14 million SP still wasn't enough to catch up.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 450	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:23:00 - [10] - Quote Look, pal, i've already gotten to the bottom of this. You are totally wrong.

Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 53	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:27:00 - [11] - Quote You guys saying that this game is pay to win are dumb. Yes you can pay to get stuff faster. But you cannot get any advantage in this game by paying that you could not have gotten without paying for it. Why do they allow this mechanic? Because you as a player could have done it anyways. How? By trading characters/profiles anyways. "I wish I had a maxed out proto what's it..." well find someone who is willing to trade/sell theirs and bingo you have the skills right now whereas someone else who wasn't willing to buy/trade for it has to grind the SP to get to it. Hell the EVE online forums have a section dedicated to selling/trading characters within the rules of the EULA for that game. Some players make money in the game by training up a character to pilot specific ships and then sell them on the forums for ISK. This isn't pay to win, it's players being smart and coming up with ways to use the system to their advantage. Stop whining and complaining that some 20+million SP player is sooo OP because the P2W... wah wah wah They didn't P2W, they just payed to get the same thing that anyone else can, just to get to there faster is all. No REAL advantage was gained. No super-weapon was acquired. No 'lete moves, awesome golden bullets, invulnerable shields, etc were acquired for this money. Only time was saved. And months to years from now when all the rest of the player-base catches back up to them in USABLE skills, then they will find that they have no advantage from it. so get your asses back into the game and just play to win already.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1247	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:34:00 - [12] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: DUST was pay-to-win with fused grenades. However, don't forget that CCP is going to make AUR items available with Loyalty Points, so, after that, every trace of pay-to-win mechanics will be definitely removed from this game. EDIT: Boosters... mmh, it really depends how you want to see it. It's not really pay-to-win to me and I haven't used a single booster so far, except the free one we got with the newsletter. You still need to play to grind SP with the Active boosters and the passive it's fair because you still have to deal with time. You can't skip a whole week of passive points, you have to wait to gain bonus SP. I think it's ok. What are Thukker's? ZionTCD Director PRO Amarr Sentinel \| ADV Amarr Logi \| ADV Minmatar Scout What is a signature?
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1656	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:46:00 - [13] - Quote Dat turbo controller. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 381	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:50:00 - [14] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: DUST was pay-to-win with fused grenades. However, don't forget that CCP is going to make AUR items available with Loyalty Points, so, after that, every trace of pay-to-win mechanics will be definitely removed from this game. EDIT: Boosters... mmh, it really depends how you want to see it. It's not really pay-to-win to me and I haven't used a single booster so far, except the free one we got with the newsletter. You still need to play to grind SP with the Active boosters and the passive it's fair because you still have to deal with time. You can't skip a whole week of passive points, you have to wait to gain bonus SP. I think it's ok. Currently there are many things within the game that you can only get with Arum. There are no ISK variants that give equal or better bonuses (For the sake of argument I'm excluding all booster related items). Thus having only the VERY BEST items for REAL MONEY defeats the purpose and falls under the category (if you will) of Pay-To-Win. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 381	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:51:00 - [15] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Dat turbo controller. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzISdIq-JYQ Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 357	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:53:00 - [16] - Quote I love games that aren't pay to win i mostly pay for extras but i like that the game gives everyone a fair chance and nothing is OP except proto stompers. *Assassination is my thing.*
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 381	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:53:00 - [17] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: DUST was pay-to-win with fused grenades. However, don't forget that CCP is going to make AUR items available with Loyalty Points, so, after that, every trace of pay-to-win mechanics will be definitely removed from this game. EDIT: Boosters... mmh, it really depends how you want to see it. It's not really pay-to-win to me and I haven't used a single booster so far, except the free one we got with the newsletter. You still need to play to grind SP with the Active boosters and the passive it's fair because you still have to deal with time. You can't skip a whole week of passive points, you have to wait to gain bonus SP. I think it's ok. What are Thukker's? They are contact grenades. And if you don't know what they are then they probably removed them again (continually keep doing this for who knows what reason), forcing players to buy the FUSED grenades with arum (which are identical to the thukkers). LOL. Yet another example. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 337	Posted - 2013.11.15 22:12:00 - [18] - Quote So I can basically play for free, make a new email account, make a new dust account, wait 5 months, start the new account and wirhin 10 games be way oit in front new kdr and all? We are all on a time frame and learning curve we almost have no monitary control over. You are welcome for my leadership
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 37	Posted - 2013.11.15 22:21:00 - [19] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Dark orbit. Go check it out. You literally have to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars to compete. Zero online. Another game where you can spend hundreds trying to win. Dust 514. I was killing protos month 3 with a gek. Spent 60$ on boostets and mispent 2 mil sp while learning. Dust is not pay to win. There is no game you can compare dust to as an accurate example of pay to win. Ive played those games. Dust isnt even close. +1.Well said. How can DUST be pay to win if with a STD suit with Locus grenades and R/E you can own everyone? Dust is Pay to look cool. XD which im fine with...
ER-Bullitt 591	Posted - 2013.11.15 22:23:00 - [20] - Quote ya'll is dumb.... they need to make money from somewhere to keep this pile of poo floating.



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