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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:09:00 -
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I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
512
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:10:00 -
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You could get a weapon to operation 5 with that amount of SP right?
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
775
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:10:00 -
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I'd rather put prof. 5 into a Scrambler Pistol than Plasma Rifle. Only one of these take skill to use.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
982
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:12:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:I'd rather put prof. 5 into a Scrambler Pistol than Plasma Rifle. Only one of these take skill to use. Tactical Assault Rifles and Burst Assault Rifles do require skill
Do your research.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
982
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:13:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:You could get a weapon to operation 5 with that amount of SP right? I already have at least operation lvl III or IV on all of the weapons in the game currently.
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
243
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:17:00 -
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I would hold back. CCP has made a long history of never nerfing assault rifles (the reason I specced to level 5 in the last respec) but with the new racial variants I have a feeling that will change.
Hopefully I'm wrong. But hold back anyway. Nothing's hurting you keeping those skill points growing.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
775
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:18:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Tactical Assault Rifles and Burst Assault Rifles do require skill
Do your research.
Actually... they have the ability to hit hard from a bit longer range than the standard variant. Since 1.5 (was it? Or was it 1.4?) the tactical variants became viable, though they will never be as popular as they were once. The only Plasma Rifle acknowledgable for any "skill" to use is the Breach. You gun me down with that thing while I use the standard, then you deserved it. I clearly ****** up somewhere along the line.
"But, but, but... Standard has more DPS!" DPS is nothing if you don't have the range to hit with, nor if you can't connect. What I will give you, however, is the notion that they both take more ability than the standard. Standard is braindead ability. It does suck what's going to happen to them all though...
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calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
950
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:19:00 -
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Jackof All-Trades wrote:I would hold back. CCP has made a long history of never nerfing assault rifles (the reason I specced to level 5 in the last respec) but with the new racial variants I have a feeling that will change.
Hopefully I'm wrong. But hold back anyway. Nothing's hurting you keeping those skill points growing.
I agree. Hold the SP. I went to 5 last build and I can tell you, since the TTK has been changed its hard to justify the spending of so much SP.
Do not eat the yellow snow
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
982
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:26:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Atiim wrote:Tactical Assault Rifles and Burst Assault Rifles do require skill
Do your research. Actually... they have the ability to hit hard from a bit longer range than the standard variant. Since 1.5 (was it? Or was it 1.4?) the tactical variants became viable, though they will never be as popular as they were once. The only Plasma Rifle acknowledgable for any "skill" to use is the Breach. You gun me down with that thing while I use the standard, then you deserved it. I clearly ****** up somewhere along the line. "But, but, but... Standard has more DPS!" DPS is nothing if you don't have the range to hit with, nor if you can't connect. What I will give you, however, is the notion that they both take more ability than the standard. Standard is braindead ability. It does suck what's going to happen to them all though... Yes, but TARs and Burst variants are not automatic weapons, and I refuse to use AA. Meaning that I have to constantly aim at the target and press the trigger (can't just hold it down) to kill them.
And considering the fact that the TTK on Burst and Tactical Assault Rifles are incredibly low in comparison to the Vanilla variant, I'd say they require a considerable amount of skill.
Also, if you think range is a problem on Vanilla Assault Rifles, you are part of the problem.
But hey if you start using a Burst or Tactical, you may finally know what your talking about
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
775
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:32:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Yes, but TARs and Burst variants are not automatic weapons, and I refuse to use AA. Meaning that I have to constantly aim at the target and press the trigger (can't just hold it down) to kill them. And considering the fact that the TTK on Burst and Tactical Assault Rifles are incredibly low in comparison to the Vanilla variant, I'd say they require a considerable amount of skill. Also, if you think range is a problem on Vanilla Assault Rifles, you are part of the problem. But hey if you start using a Burst or Tactical, you may finally know what your talking about
I use semi-automatic and burst fire weapons in every FPS I play. They are my preference over fully automatic ones, as I aim for the head. The rule of thumb is to hit the weak point. The sheer problem with the standard Plasma Rifle is that its raw damage is good up to, what, 80m? And that's not a problem to you? A Gallentean weapon... Yes, a blaster... Having more consistent ranged damage than the Amarrian Laser Rifle? If you really believe the other variants of Plasma Rifle (besides Breach... thing's a bit ass if you ask me) have low TTK... you need to aim better.
Not to sound like an ass, but I don't use AA. Aim for the head. Blow their brains out. You can three to five burst at the worst for most suits.
Ha. This guy.
Added note: Try using the Scrambler Pistol by itself. I recommend the Assault. You'll find it isn't as easy as any Plasma Rifle.
"I am a mercenary, I do as I need. I'll shed Amarrian blood for the freedom of my Minmitar allies but only for a price."
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2172
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:51:00 -
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With new rifles on the horizon, I'd save your SP for the time being. The role of the Tac will likely be best fulfilled by the Rail Rifle. You don't want to be gimped when the rebalance comes.
No.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
985
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:00:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Atiim wrote:Yes, but TARs and Burst variants are not automatic weapons, and I refuse to use AA. Meaning that I have to constantly aim at the target and press the trigger (can't just hold it down) to kill them. And considering the fact that the TTK on Burst and Tactical Assault Rifles are incredibly low in comparison to the Vanilla variant, I'd say they require a considerable amount of skill. Also, if you think range is a problem on Vanilla Assault Rifles, you are part of the problem. But hey if you start using a Burst or Tactical, you may finally know what your talking about I use semi-automatic and burst fire weapons in every FPS I play. They are my preference over fully automatic ones, as I aim for the head. The rule of thumb is to hit the weak point. The sheer problem with the standard Plasma Rifle is that its raw damage is good up to, what, 80m? And that's not a problem to you? A Gallentean weapon... Yes, a blaster... Having more consistent ranged damage than the Amarrian Laser Rifle? If you really believe the other variants of Plasma Rifle (besides Breach... thing's a bit ass if you ask me) have low TTK... you need to aim better. Not to sound like an ass, but I don't use AA. Aim for the head. Blow their brains out. You can three to five burst at the worst for most suits. Ha. This guy. Added note: Try using the Scrambler Pistol by itself. I recommend the Assault. You'll find it isn't as easy as any Plasma Rifle. Readng Comprehesion: 0
Notice how I said low TTK in comparison to It's VANILLA Variant.
I'm not talking about standard rifles, I'm talking about the Burst and Tactical ones.
Do you honestly believe that I don't know to aim for the spot with a 160% damage modifier?
Never once beat an LR user in his or her optimal while using a Burst or TAR.
Added note: No. I already use SCR Pistols.
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TcuBe3
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
242
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:06:00 -
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When in doubt, hold it. !.7 is cresting over the Horizon. If the CR or the RR is garbage than you can throw that SP into AR proficiency. |
chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
69
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:07:00 -
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Atiim wrote: I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
-HAND YAAAAAAAAY AR514!!!!! is that what you really want? is that and swarms the only thing you care for? id hold the SP because if this is really turning to AR514, they are going to make a lot of different varients of it. like in COD. and I don't like COD |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
1866
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:09:00 -
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I would save the SP for rail rifle or combat rifle.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
986
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:10:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote: I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
-HAND YAAAAAAAAY AR514!!!!! is that what you really want? is that and swarms the only thing you care for? id hold the SP because if this is really turning to AR514, they are going to make a lot of different varients of it. like in COD. and I don't like COD I also have prof V in Mass Drivers, and prof IV in Sniper Rifles, what's your point?
I care not for one weapon, but for all weapons.
If you think that using TARs and Bursts make me a COD514 player then you have screws loose in your head
Wait you think I like COD? I've only played it once lol
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
70
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:20:00 -
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Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote: I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
-HAND YAAAAAAAAY AR514!!!!! is that what you really want? is that and swarms the only thing you care for? id hold the SP because if this is really turning to AR514, they are going to make a lot of different varients of it. like in COD. and I don't like COD I also have prof V in Mass Drivers, and prof IV in Sniper Rifles, what's your point? I care not for one weapon, but for all weapons. If you think that using TARs and Bursts make me a COD514 player then you have screws loose in your head Wait you think I like COD? I've only played it once lol snipers and massholes. all of the easy-mode picks. really dude? |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2589
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:22:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote: I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
-HAND YAAAAAAAAY AR514!!!!! is that what you really want? is that and swarms the only thing you care for? id hold the SP because if this is really turning to AR514, they are going to make a lot of different varients of it. like in COD. and I don't like COD This game is going to duck for you in the next few months.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
777
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:24:00 -
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Atiim wrote: Readng Comprehesion: 0
Notice how I said low TTK in comparison to It's VANILLA Variant.
I'm not talking about standard rifles, I'm talking about the Burst and Tactical ones.
Do you honestly believe that I don't know to aim for the spot with a 160% damage modifier?
Never once beat an LR user in his or her optimal while using a Burst or TAR.
Added note: No. I already use SCR Pistols.
Ability to understand comparisons: 0
Ability to comprehend that the subject of earlier post was still on topic: 0
You either A: Have terrible ability to combat LRs, or B) just overall suck. It hasn't been since the LR had gotten its new sight that I've seen a LR beat the standard AR. The tactical was once subjected to... abuse. It was "too good". It's okay now, I suppose, but it'll never be like it was. (Thank goodness.) Since you don't seem to be able to see multiple things within context, I'll hold your hand and be more specific with this little section.
Ahem.
The LR has been rather gnarly for a while now, even a bit before the new sight came in. The standard can beat it (the LR) within its optimal because (again) the sheer damage being carried a bit too far. I haven't seen a burst fall to a LR in a long time. The tactical relies on getting the first shot and keep shooting. As such, it can be outclassed by the burst and the standard Plasma Rifle rather easily. It's the most demanding variant compared to the others. Even with this said, I've seen the tactical slaughter the standard within the same tier. (I was hanging around that guy watching him do lovely pewpewpew headshots. He was actually brought down by a Maddy. He respawned and OB'd it. lol. Was good fun to watch!) Personally, I prefer the burst variant as it is the most familiar weapon to me since I (again) prefer burst weapons to automatics.
I don't like where the upcoming changes for the tactical and burst are going. It feels... wrong. Sort of... backwards. I do hope you're able to understand now.
Added note: You should probably save the SP. Things are going to be a bit hectic when the new weapons release and you just know how CCP loooooves to do things around that time.
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
70
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:25:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote: I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
-HAND YAAAAAAAAY AR514!!!!! is that what you really want? is that and swarms the only thing you care for? id hold the SP because if this is really turning to AR514, they are going to make a lot of different varients of it. like in COD. and I don't like COD This game is going to duck for you in the next few months. yea I know..... its what ive been fighting since chromosome and its what I was hoping dust would avoid. |
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
987
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:38:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote: I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
-HAND YAAAAAAAAY AR514!!!!! is that what you really want? is that and swarms the only thing you care for? id hold the SP because if this is really turning to AR514, they are going to make a lot of different varients of it. like in COD. and I don't like COD I also have prof V in Mass Drivers, and prof IV in Sniper Rifles, what's your point? I care not for one weapon, but for all weapons. If you think that using TARs and Bursts make me a COD514 player then you have screws loose in your head Wait you think I like COD? I've only played it once lol snipers and massholes. all of the easy-mode picks. really dude? You want an entire list of all the stuff I'm skilled into?
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
70
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:44:00 -
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Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote: I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
-HAND YAAAAAAAAY AR514!!!!! is that what you really want? is that and swarms the only thing you care for? id hold the SP because if this is really turning to AR514, they are going to make a lot of different varients of it. like in COD. and I don't like COD I also have prof V in Mass Drivers, and prof IV in Sniper Rifles, what's your point? I care not for one weapon, but for all weapons. If you think that using TARs and Bursts make me a COD514 player then you have screws loose in your head Wait you think I like COD? I've only played it once lol snipers and massholes. all of the easy-mode picks. really dude? You want an entire list of all the stuff I'm skilled into? actually yea, thatd be great |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
990
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:58:00 -
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(In no particular order)
Weapons:
- Assault Rifles
- Sniper Rifles
- Mass Drivers
- Scrambler Rifles
- Forge Guns
- Swarm Launchers
- Heavy Machine Guns
- Submachine Guns
- Scrambler Pistols
- Shotguns
- Nova Knives
- Flaylock Pistols
Dropsuit Roles
- Logstics
- Heavies
- Scouts
- Commandos
- Assault
I know I forgot a few though, it's hard typing this up without a keyboard
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
2045
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:22:00 -
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Atiim, don't even bother listening to those people screaming "AR 514" just because you use the LOLburst (the LOL is there because the gun is way underperforming).
You're not using the weapon they use, so they're always going to complain. Just get over those comments, don't let them leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Now, to answer your question...
1. Are you shield or armor tanking? If you're armor tanking, you probably have at least one damage mod, so having maxed out proficiency is not that important in this case. If you're shield tanking, you probably don't use damage mods. In this case, proficiency really comes in handy, since high damage is possibly the most important factor for tactical weapons, so even that 3% bonus might make the difference...
2. I stopped putting SP into AR because the Rail Rifle and the Scrambler Rifle (30m range buff coming soon) are going to kick our semiautomatic AR's in the butt. I'm going to spec into one of those weapons in 1.7 and you may want to do the same. I just wanted to remind you that this is going to happen. Also, the standard AR's range is about to be buffed, leaving few reasons to use the burst or the tac. If you specced into AR just for those variants, like I did, consider moving to different weapons. The sad part is that I only have 9 millions SP and I just managed to get proficiency Lv3 for my Tac... so many wasted SP. And wasted time.
-1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m
-Goodbye my love, Tac AR
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
993
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:02:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Atiim, don't even bother listening to those people screaming "AR 514" just because you use the LOLburst (the LOL is there because the gun is way underperforming).
You're not using the weapon they use, so they're always going to complain. Just get over those comments, don't let them leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Now, to answer your question...
1. Are you shield or armor tanking? If you're armor tanking, you probably have at least one damage mod, so having maxed out proficiency is not that important in this case. If you're shield tanking, you probably don't use damage mods. In this case, proficiency really comes in handy, since high damage is possibly the most important factor for tactical weapons, so even that 3% bonus might make the difference...
2. I stopped putting SP into AR because the Rail Rifle and the Scrambler Rifle (30m range buff coming soon) are going to kick our semiautomatic AR's in the butt. I'm going to spec into one of those weapons in 1.7 and you may want to do the same. I just wanted to remind you that this is going to happen. Also, the standard AR's range is about to be buffed, leaving few reasons to use the burst or the tac. If you specced into AR just for those variants, like I did, consider moving to different weapons. The sad part is that I only have 9 millions SP and I just managed to get proficiency Lv3 for my Tac... so many wasted SP. And wasted time. Thanks for the advice, but I already knew the information you were giving me. What I was really asking is wether or not the skill itself would be worth it in 1.7.
I honestly don't know what I've ever done to people like Chase to have them conclude that I want COD514 and a game that has no vehicles whatsoever. Seriously though what did I say to them?
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Dengar Skirata
the third day Public Disorder.
26
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:12:00 -
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I love both the TAC AR and the burst AR, but with a reduction in range coming in 1.7, I am planning to skill into the combat rifle instead. It will supposedly have basically the same range as the current TAC AR, with similar damage to the current Burst AR. I guess we'll see once 1.7 rolls around, but that's my plan. |
ER-Bullitt
591
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:14:00 -
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put those points in rapid reload |
Tectonic Fusion
562
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:You could get a weapon to operation 5 with that amount of SP right? I already have at least operation lvl III or IV on all of the weapons in the game currently. Meh.
I would too, but I'm not a fan of the flaylock, the plasma cannon, the forge gun, or the HMG. But you should save to get the rail rifle prototype day 1.
Solo Player
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Joel II X
AHPA
156
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:27:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote: I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
-HAND YAAAAAAAAY AR514!!!!! is that what you really want? is that and swarms the only thing you care for? id hold the SP because if this is really turning to AR514, they are going to make a lot of different varients of it. like in COD. and I don't like COD I also have prof V in Mass Drivers, and prof IV in Sniper Rifles, what's your point? I care not for one weapon, but for all weapons. If you think that using TARs and Bursts make me a COD514 player then you have screws loose in your head Wait you think I like COD? I've only played it once lol snipers and massholes. all of the easy-mode picks. really dude? Shut up. Any weapon can be easy mode with the right skills (both in the player and the character) |
Tectonic Fusion
563
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Posted - 2013.11.15 19:36:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote: I currently have Assault Operation level 5 and proficiency level III.
But they will be nerfing the Tactical and Burst Assault Rifles soon, and I worry that they will soon be worthless.
Would it really be worth it? Should I just spend it on something else?
If any Tactical and/or Burst assault rifle users could give me some advice, I'd really appreciate it.
-HAND YAAAAAAAAY AR514!!!!! is that what you really want? is that and swarms the only thing you care for? id hold the SP because if this is really turning to AR514, they are going to make a lot of different varients of it. like in COD. and I don't like COD I also have prof V in Mass Drivers, and prof IV in Sniper Rifles, what's your point? I care not for one weapon, but for all weapons. If you think that using TARs and Bursts make me a COD514 player then you have screws loose in your head Wait you think I like COD? I've only played it once lol snipers and massholes. all of the easy-mode picks. really dude? Shut up. Any weapon can be easy mode with the right skills (both in the player and the character) This. It depends on the skill of the user. Yes the Mass Driver can be easy mode vs someone with terrible aim, but if someone with an AR has the same skill as someone with a Mass Driver, the AR will outDPS him by a longshot.
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