DUST Search - [Request] Remove AR, SCR and Locus grenades. Also aim assist.

Sgt Buttscratch wrote:

Until CCP have a clue what they are doing, I request that all forms of assault rifle, meaning all current Gallente assault rifles( AR, TAC AR, breach and burst), All current Amarr (scrambler and Assault scrambler), and also the upcomming minmatar and Caldari assault rifles (rail and combat), are removed from the game until they are balanced with the game.

They are skilless weapons, I have run full matches without hitting L1 at all and just beasted though people, no effort, minimal aiming. They are a plague on this game.

Remove Locus grenades until they are re-thought. They need to cost A LOT more, and be NON refillable from nano hives, 2 per life. They are ridiculous. This is the ONLY game I have ever played in which grenades can be non stop spammed.
Also in the rethinking of nades would be reduced damage versus shields, feathered blast radius.

Aim assist.
This is a mechanism designed for single player and non competitive games. Dust should not have aim bot. People complained about aiming before due to the fact they sucked, now you can just close your eyes and pin the trigger and get the kills. Ruined scouts, ruined heavies, ruined Dust514.

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Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 978	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:36:00 - [1] - Quote Until CCP have a clue what they are doing, I request that all forms of assault rifle, meaning all current Gallente assault rifles( AR, TAC AR, breach and burst), All current Amarr (scrambler and Assault scrambler), and also the upcomming minmatar and Caldari assault rifles (rail and combat), are removed from the game until they are balanced with the game. They are skilless weapons, I have run full matches without hitting L1 at all and just beasted though people, no effort, minimal aiming. They are a plague on this game. Remove Locus grenades until they are re-thought. They need to cost A LOT more, and be NON refillable from nano hives, 2 per life. They are ridiculous. This is the ONLY game I have ever played in which grenades can be non stop spammed. Also in the rethinking of nades would be reduced damage versus shields, feathered blast radius. Aim assist. This is a mechanism designed for single player and non competitive games. Dust should not have aim bot. People complained about aiming before due to the fact they sucked, now you can just close your eyes and pin the trigger and get the kills. Ruined scouts, ruined heavies, ruined Dust514. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1337	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:48:00 - [2] - Quote So let me paint the picture. Mass drivers, Sniper rifles, Shotguns, and Plasma cannons. I would assume you wish the death of automatic side arms also, so Scrambler pistols, and flaylocks. Forget about ever using anything that boosts HP all of these weapons are practically 1 shot kills. Basically your vision of the game is a COD style strafe shooter, and you better not use armor all these weapons are made to destroy armor. Looks fun.
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 980	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:54:00 - [3] - Quote The game IS CURRENTLY A COD BRAINLESS SHOOTER. Low, low TTK, last night on my ADV logi, using the CRW ADV scramble, I was dropping full proto suits in split seconds, charge and follow dead. Not fun, not tactical, just braindead shooting. My vision of this game is: Not a grenade spam game Not a braindead COD game Kills from skilled aiming, rather than kills from aim assisted cheapness. I'm not saying to fully remove these weapons, they just need to be put back inline. Dust514 is a game that requires only time. No skill is EVER needed to succeed. PSSH, response trying to claim i want the game to become a COD match, It already is. Half the reason why it has issues holding players. You can play the same style games without having to invest the amount of time dust514 calls from. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 243	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:21:00 - [4] - Quote Umm, the only reason CCP can be sure they are balanced is for them to be kept in the game and observe the reactions from the player community. Yeah, it's a brainless COD shooter. But removing those won't change that. If anything, it's TTK, but I won't say anything about due to differing opinions on the matter. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2589	Posted - 2013.11.15 14:10:00 - [5] - Quote If this game had at least half the gun game of COD... I can dream... Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 981	Posted - 2013.11.15 14:23:00 - [6] - Quote Jackof All-Trades wrote: Umm, the only reason CCP can be sure they are balanced is for them to be kept in the game and observe the reactions from the player community. Yeah, it's a brainless COD shooter. But removing those won't change that. If anything, it's TTK, but I won't say anything about due to differing opinions on the matter. Observe the reactions.... People have been fussing about the stupidity of the Ar for a long time now, CCP's response is to ADD MORE ASSAULT RIFLES..... They clearly do not observe anything, other than top selling AUR weapons, hense the fact we now have every tier of all available weapons in Aurum form, before we have Officer weapons of all weapon types. I clicked on the market for the 1st time in a while this morning all I saw was (No skills required) plastered all over my screen..no ** ccp, no **. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 283	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:07:00 - [7] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: So let me paint the picture. Mass drivers, Sniper rifles, Shotguns, and Plasma cannons. I would assume you wish the death of automatic side arms also, so Scrambler pistols, and flaylocks. Forget about ever using anything that boosts HP all of these weapons are practically 1 shot kills. Basically your vision of the game is a COD style strafe shooter, and you better not use armor all these weapons are made to destroy armor. Looks fun. You forgot Lasers, HMGs, Forges, Swarms etc. ARs, ScRs, SMGs make up a small portion of this game. This game is like COD now. See guy, gun him down with my little recoil weapon from crazy range. Plus these are pretty even between shield damage and armor damage. And Locusts are gone so the biggest bane to armor would now be gone. I know you can't realistically get rid of the mid range weapons but I'd be lying if I wouldn't enjoy this for a good little while.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 75	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:35:00 - [8] - Quote I believe it's TTK also but the way that they have it , I believe that they think that , it moves the game along faster , but I thought the null cannons were the objective ???? They screwed up my tanks for the next upload so , I have learned not to ask for anything because you will get the exact opposite . If you want to get rid of grenades , then you should start with the AV grenades . The strength of those things ( it doesn't matter what kind ) are unreal . I threw just one at a jeep with a guy in it and it evaporated . Core locus grenades are alright to you ??? Those things ( if this game could do it ) would blow up a compound easily and their used as a repellant for mercenaries . Those things are way worst than locus grenades and please don't tell me about the level of them , I know already that they are " suppose " to be that way , but they need a tone down . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
emm kay Ultramarine Corp 39	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:53:00 - [9] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: The game IS CURRENTLY A COD BRAINLESS SHOOTER. Low, low TTK, last night on my ADV logi, using the CRW ADV scramble, I was dropping full proto suits in split seconds, charge and follow dead. Not fun, not tactical, just braindead shooting. My vision of this game is: Not a grenade spam game Not a braindead COD game Kills from skilled aiming, rather than kills from aim assisted cheapness. I'm not saying to fully remove these weapons, they just need to be put back inline. Dust514 is a game that requires only time. No skill is EVER needed to succeed. PSSH, response trying to claim i want the game to become a COD match, It already is. Half the reason why it has issues holding players. You can play the same style games without having to invest the amount of time dust514 calls from. Your reuest means nothing to ccp, you want an AR? Skill into it. Even boneheaded COD playeres can do it.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 125	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:54:00 - [10] - Quote OP, htfu, this is war, adapt or die.

Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 102	Posted - 2013.11.15 21:09:00 - [11] - Quote We could all run around with feathers, tickling each other /troll or we could get our hands on the unreleased content and balance from there. CCP isnt going to remove months of hard work just so a few people are happy. The game is getting where it should be, albiet slowly. TTK is really low, even compared to twitch shooters. Lets at least buff heavies/scouts so that they become a viable part of combat once again. Id like to see stuff added, not taken away. And you did say 'remove'.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2140	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:06:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Until CCP have a clue what they are doing, I request that all forms of assault rifle, meaning all current Gallente assault rifles( AR, TAC AR, breach and burst), All current Amarr (scrambler and Assault scrambler), and also the upcomming minmatar and Caldari assault rifles (rail and combat), are removed from the game until they are balanced with the game. They are skilless weapons, I have run full matches without hitting L1 at all and just beasted though people, no effort, minimal aiming. They are a plague on this game. Remove Locus grenades until they are re-thought. They need to cost A LOT more, and be NON refillable from nano hives, 2 per life. They are ridiculous. This is the ONLY game I have ever played in which grenades can be non stop spammed. Also in the rethinking of nades would be reduced damage versus shields, feathered blast radius. Aim assist. This is a mechanism designed for single player and non competitive games. Dust should not have aim bot. People complained about aiming before due to the fact they sucked, now you can just close your eyes and pin the trigger and get the kills. Ruined scouts, ruined heavies, ruined Dust514. Even though you re a bit extreme in your suggestions, i can't really argue. Rifles are at the moment WAY too efficient. And locus nades are obviously OP and broken. But the thing i agree the most with is about aim assist. it's freakinly strong and a lot more than just an "assist". it's clearly a tracking system and that's the main reason why the SR is that powerfull now. So, a good first set of action would be : - take out the 10% buff to damage of rifles\smg - lower the aim assist strenght by a lot - Revamp nades. (efficiency vs shields ; radius ; overall damage ; nanohive resupply and nanocluster costs) Those are things that can be done fairly easily. The longest part is tweaking aim assist. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
dmitri soroka The Generals EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:22:00 - [13] - Quote DO not worry, based on this company struggles, i think in 5 years they will figure something out. BCS based on what i see. This game performed worse then any game ever came out online. Even games with AI in it had better hit boxes lol. I think most of these people working for Dust514 are just people who never played games lol. Used Unreal Tournament Engine which is designed FOR Online gaming and it has most bugs and fixes done. They can not figure out how to use it.... I not once saw a game where it takes 3 to 4 shots before 1 shot registers a hit.... Especially point blank.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1737	Posted - 2013.11.16 13:56:00 - [14] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: - take out the 10% buff to damage of rifles\smg Caz, I like most of what you say and agree with pretty much everything I see you write but please stop lumping SMGs in with the rifles debacle. Whilst SMGs are very powerful, you have to get within 30m for them to really do anything at all. That's half the optimum of pretty much any rifle and if you manage to get close enough to actually deal the massive amount of DPS that it is capable of, that deserves such a reward. That said, however, there is a problem with the effect made by the sharpshooter skill - I only just started skilling sharpshooter on my SMG and have level 2 but the impact has been dramatic and I suspect this is the case too for ARs and their sharpshooter skill. IMO the sharpshooter skill makes no sense and should be removed before anything else because they change the entire damage profile of the weapons. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4460	Posted - 2013.11.16 16:48:00 - [15] - Quote No, no aaaaaaaand no. Psst: All competitve console multiplayer shooters have aim assist. For most of them it's even stronger than in Dust. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 258	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:24:00 - [16] - Quote I think removing auto aim is the first step in balancing the rifles in the game. Trying to tweak rifle damage with auto aim in the mix is going to make them extremely hard to balance. Also, auto aim has no place in a serious competitive shooter, especially one destined to have high stakes like Dust. Just because every other console shooter has it doesn't make it a good idea. If auto-aim stays in the game as is, the rifles need a 30% nerf. Even with that nerf, the rifles will still out damage most other weapons in the game in competent hands.


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