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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:23:00 -
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Active cloaks are not active dampeners, scanning in all forms will counter cloaks, cloaks make you physically invisible, it has nothing to due with detection outside of physically seeing someone.
Active scanners could use ADSing while scanning to give a point for having certain scanning angles and they will be fine for the most part, perhaps increase fitting costs
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:41:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:The problem with active scanners is that they allow their user to scan too frequently. When both teams have a constant feed of each others locations (because the best counter to the active scanner is... the active scanner), tactics goes out the window. Anything other than a full frontal assault becomes doomed for failure because as soon as you try another tactic, the enemy will know what you are doing and be able to handily counter it
Saying people need to use dampeners to counter the spam is ridiculous. Stealth is a specialization. It should not be a requirement for using tactics.
The problem isn't that dampeners are too weak, that people aren't using dampeners, or that we lack active dampeners, its that the scanner allows people to scan far too often.
You can gain the benefits of signature tanking + moderate brick tanking or you can purely brick tank.
Its that people aren't willing to signature tank at all, which is more the fault of the medium frames not wanting to give up anything, it takes two comparatively low costing modules to beat all but one active scanner, and the suits with the most slots can do this pretty easily
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I would like to add that I"m all for nerfing the active scanner a little bit, I don't use it anyways, but the idea of neutering it so you don't have to defend yourself against it is a little silly, even scouts have to duel brick/signature tank a little bit, the idea of mediums having to mix it up a little is not too far fetched.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:56:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:
Which is why I've been saying the active scanner first and foremost needs a sizeable nerf to its cooldown. That way you can scan before you breach an area or search for ambushes.
If we get rid of the spinning mechanic and make it more directional, maybe even reduce the angel even more, this would severely limit the active scanner's utility, I have a feeling that we are just going to compile a huge list of debuffs for the scanner and apply them all at once when only a couple were needed.
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:58:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:They are so wise spread now that there might as well be a UAV overhead at all times. Once again CCP has added something to the game without adding a proper countermeasure to it (short of changing your entire play-style to compensate for filling your low slots with dampeners). Not saying they should be removed, but something should be adjusted with them (probably cutting down the scan angles and ranges, especially for the proto variants) to compensate until a countermeasure is added.
This is more of the nerfing I was thinking of, cutting down range and angles in my mind would balance it
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.15 01:11:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Active cloaks are not active dampeners, scanning in all forms will counter cloaks, cloaks make you physically invisible, it has nothing to due with detection outside of physically seeing someone.
Active scanners could use ADSing while scanning to give a point for having certain scanning angles and they will be fine for the most part, perhaps increase fitting costs I didn't say active cloaks...... I said active dampeners......
I'm then going to have to asked why use scouts if you can literally replicate every positive scout trait with a fraction of the sp investment with a piece of equipment. If you want dampening give us a slot or two, which literally nullifies all but one active scanner
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