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Templar XIII
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:50:00 -
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As tested and proved, the drop suit bonuses once trained, do apply to all same sized drop suits of that race. If, say, a minmatar suit player does skill into and maximize minmatar logistic AND assault suit skills, all his minmatar drop suits - basic, logistic and assault suits will benefit from those bonuses. This provides ALL minmatar medium suits with 25% faster shield regeneration and 5hp armor repair rate, thereby effectively providing one high and one low slot extra to use otherwise.
Scout suits do have similarly useful drop suit bonuses: 25% scan profile reduction to basic and scout suits when max skilled.
It is important to note, that this does not apply to the racial bonuses (Minmatar Assault/Logistic Bonus); only the Suit bonus transfers to all suits (Assault/Logistic Suit Bonus).
What these bonuses have in common is that they play on the suit size's strengths or reduces some of their weaknesses.
Now to the heavy suit. Skilling Sentinel and Commando suits to the maximum will give all heavy drop suits 25% less feedback damage and 25% faster reload for light and sidearm weapons. This does not nearly address in any way what makes out the heavy suit. Faster reload is too Commando specific, feedback damage reduction is more important to fragile suits not able to compensate like the heave with his vast amount of raw eHP.
So please, please please CCP, reconsider and rethink the heavy suitGÇÖs role bonuses and provide him with something useful and representative of his class, no matter if basic, Commando or Sentinel, as what they have in common is higher eHP, big hitboxes and slow movement, and those characteristics should be addressed, not those that are only specific to one of the three or useless at all.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2153
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:52:00 -
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I was not aware that your central premise had been proven. In fact I was rather confident of the contrary. Perhaps I am mistaken?
No.
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Text Grant
Death Firm.
221
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:53:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120508 I have minmatar logi Lvl 5 and my minmatar assault only gets its usual 1 hp per second... |
Templar XIII
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:58:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:I was not aware that your central premise had been proven. In fact I was rather confident of the contrary. Perhaps I am mistaken?
Please take the time and create one fit of your choice with a basic or assault suit with no reppers whatsoever, if you skilled into logistics and check their stats. You will find each of them give armor repair bonus as the logistic suit. Once in battle, this bonus does work too, so it is not merely a display error outside of battle. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2153
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:02:00 -
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I will try it. I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad about it, considering I use a Minmatar logi with a sidearm but have Assault skills in another race.
No.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
320
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:03:00 -
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Templar XIII wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:I was not aware that your central premise had been proven. In fact I was rather confident of the contrary. Perhaps I am mistaken? Please take the time and create one fit of your choice with a basic or assault suit with no reppers whatsoever, if you skilled into logistics and check their stats. You will find each of them give armor repair bonus as the logistic suit. Once in battle, this bonus does work too, so it is not merely a display error outside of battle.
Uhh, as someone who has spent a lot of time playing both Min Logi and Min basic medium, I can confirm that this is NOT true. I just logged in to check it, and it quite simply does not work that way. What crazy hax do you have going on?! |
Templar XIII
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:04:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120508 I have minmatar logi Lvl 5 and my minmatar assault only gets its usual 1 hp per second...
Iam a dedicated heavy, but have skilled into minmatar logistics to level 1, so one part of my premise: that it gives bonuses beyond level one is indeed more of a deduction than a proven. So if you are right in this, the class suit bonus does only provide lvl one bonus at maximum, and I would be proven partly wrong in this concern. But nevertheless does the other half of mine post hold true, that the heavy class bonuses do not credit or enhance the suits purpose in full as do other classes suits (at least not unless heavy laser come into play and make feedback damage a real threat to the heave's survival). |
Awry Barux
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
320
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:05:00 -
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Templar XIII wrote:Text Grant wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120508 I have minmatar logi Lvl 5 and my minmatar assault only gets its usual 1 hp per second... Iam a dedicated heavy, but have skilled into minmatar logistics to level 1, so one part of my premise: that it gives bonuses beyond level one is indeed more of a deduction than a proven. So if you are right in this, the class suit bonus does only provide lvl one bonus at maximum, and I would be proven partly wrong in this concern. But nevertheless does the other half of mine post hold true, that the heavy class bonuses do not credit or enhance the suits purpose in full as do other classes suits (at least not unless heavy laser come into play and make feedback damage a real threat to the heave's survival).
Ohh, no, see, the Min Basic and Assault get 1hp/s intrinsic repper on their own. That's just part of the suit, not related to any bonuses. And yes, heavy bonuses do suck majorly. |
Templar XIII
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:08:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Templar XIII wrote:Text Grant wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120508 I have minmatar logi Lvl 5 and my minmatar assault only gets its usual 1 hp per second... Iam a dedicated heavy, but have skilled into minmatar logistics to level 1, so one part of my premise: that it gives bonuses beyond level one is indeed more of a deduction than a proven. So if you are right in this, the class suit bonus does only provide lvl one bonus at maximum, and I would be proven partly wrong in this concern. But nevertheless does the other half of mine post hold true, that the heavy class bonuses do not credit or enhance the suits purpose in full as do other classes suits (at least not unless heavy laser come into play and make feedback damage a real threat to the heave's survival). Ohh, no, see, the Min Basic and Assault get 1hp/s intrinsic repper on their own. You don't need a point in Min Logi for that. That's just part of the suit, not related to any bonuses. And yes, heavy bonuses do suck majorly.
Wow, if this is true, I really learned something new about this suit and have to thank all of you many times for this insight. Thanks also for your feeling my pain with the heavy role suit bonus gimpedness... |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
5018
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:10:00 -
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I feel your pain - Gallente assault still has a shield bonus...
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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castba
Penguin's March
200
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I feel your pain - Gallente assault still has a shield bonus... Silliness, but at least it is a bonus to something that is actually in the game. There is no heavy weapon that gives feedback damage
I Support SP Rollover
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2156
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:10:00 -
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Templar XIII wrote:Text Grant wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120508 I have minmatar logi Lvl 5 and my minmatar assault only gets its usual 1 hp per second... Iam a dedicated heavy, but have skilled into minmatar logistics to level 1, so one part of my premise: that it gives bonuses beyond level one is indeed more of a deduction than a proven. So if you are right in this, the class suit bonus does only provide lvl one bonus at maximum, and I would be proven partly wrong in this concern. But nevertheless does the other half of mine post hold true, that the heavy class bonuses do not credit or enhance the suits purpose in full as do other classes suits (at least not unless heavy laser come into play and make feedback damage a real threat to the heave's survival).
Have you based all of this upon the Minmatar suits getting a 1hp/s rep?
No.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
5021
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:19:00 -
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castba wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I feel your pain - Gallente assault still has a shield bonus... Silliness, but at least it is a bonus to something that is actually in the game. There is no heavy weapon that gives feedback damage
Gallente assault shield recharge actually being in the game is debatable, but I take your point.
In any case, it's pointless arguing over who has useless bonuses - simply the fact that there are so many useless bonuses should have already been enough to get them reworked. Unfortunately, 7 months after Uprising it looks like bonuses are being left untouched in a completely stupid form.
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Text Grant
Death Firm.
222
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:33:00 -
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Templar XIII wrote:Text Grant wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120508 I have minmatar logi Lvl 5 and my minmatar assault only gets its usual 1 hp per second... Iam a dedicated heavy, but have skilled into minmatar logistics to level 1, so one part of my premise: that it gives bonuses beyond level one is indeed more of a deduction than a proven. So if you are right in this, the class suit bonus does only provide lvl one bonus at maximum, and I would be proven partly wrong in this concern. But nevertheless does the other half of mine post hold true, that the heavy class bonuses do not credit or enhance the suits purpose in full as do other classes suits (at least not unless heavy laser come into play and make feedback damage a real threat to the heave's survival). The 1 HP per second is built into all minmatar suits without skills. |
Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc
563
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:34:00 -
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castba wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I feel your pain - Gallente assault still has a shield bonus... Silliness, but at least it is a bonus to something that is actually in the game. There is no heavy weapon that gives feedback damage
The HMG used to, and it did a lot. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
608
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:35:00 -
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what are you on about? I have Gallente scout 5 and it doesn't transfer to basics. they are scanned like fish in a barrel while even my G-1s require a pro scanner to trance.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
CLOSED BETA VET
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mister brix
Legions of Infinite Dominion
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:38:00 -
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The debate on bropsuit bonus carry over aside, I completely agree with the heavy bonuses needing to be switched or rethought out. I love my sentinel but the bonus for it only makes sense if your going to use a scram rifle or laser rifle because of feedback damage. Am I right when I say that the hmg can over heat but does not give feedback? Just one of the many changes this game needs. Here is to hoping for fixes in the next few months. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
283
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:47:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I feel your pain - Gallente assault still has a shield bonus...
This is actually a nicer bonus than people consider, helps with the weaknesses of armor tanking. Just not as meaningful to Gallente as it is to say Caldari.
Same can be said for the Logi bonus.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
1056
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Posted - 2013.11.15 01:01:00 -
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wrong the bonus does not need a change they just need to release the heavy laser rifle.
For the Empire!
Dual tanking is a sin.
Well fuck me I can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
1462
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Posted - 2013.11.15 02:26:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:The 1 HP per second is built into all minmatar suits without skills. I guess my corp mate was right when he said anything Minmatar is better than Amarr ._.
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