DUST Search - Irrefutable proof that the 3x SP event was too grindy

Disturbingly Bored wrote:

The Robot Devil wrote:

The reward did benefit the casual player but it also had to benefit everyone equally.

Except it didn't. It increased the amount of time needed to hit the cap by 5-10 times, depending on whether you're an efficient pub-stomper or not. The grind was much longer and less rewarding for newer and non-hardcore players, people I'd argue could use the SP the most. It would have benefitted everyone equally only if CCP did a simple multiplier, not make the bonus for WP only.

Now, if the goal was "reward our best players for being our best players," I suppose it worked. But I think SP events should be engineered to help out the people on the low-end of the SP totem pole the most, or at the very least not penalize them by making them have to grind harder than pros. But I can see how that's hard to do while trying to avoid AFK farmers.

I just hope CCP keeps experimenting with the bonus SP event model until they get something solid all around. I know they're capable of it.

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Joel II X AHPA 141	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:39:00 - [31] - Quote I thought the event was INTENDED to be a grind. I capped out the day before the event was over. Thanks to this event, my scout became 2x more useful. Fear me.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1233	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:51:00 - [32] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I capped Saturday night just playing the way I normally do. usually im capped by Thursday night or at latest early Friday. there is no grind, unless you make it one. So what you're telling us is that you play more matches normally than the reasonable folks who feel like they're grinding... I'm just going to say this about the event: anything that leaves an entire player base feeling exhausted rather than feeling like they had a good time... is probably something that should be tweaked before it sees daylight again. The game is supposed to burn you out because you shouldn't be playing that much. Get a life or stop crying. Here is a thought. You don't have to play that much. Odd how that works. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1233	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:52:00 - [33] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I thought the event was INTENDED to be a grind. I capped out the day before the event was over. Thanks to this event, my scout became 2x more useful. Fear me. We have a winner. Thank you for understanding what has happened. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. 2929	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:53:00 - [34] - Quote I capped in 17 hours. Stayed up all night from 5 pm to 10 am. It was terrible.. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 231	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:58:00 - [35] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: I worry for myself when I hear that some people couldn't cap. I capped two characters. Other people have to work and take care of families. Not saying you don't.... Some people have priorities other than Dust 514, worry about yourself. note... I capped on Saturday morning....
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1462	Posted - 2013.11.14 17:58:00 - [36] - Quote This thread has a bunch of suckers in it who keep playing when not having fun due to [Insert_Stupid_Reason_Here] Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1155	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:02:00 - [37] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Here is a thought. You don't have to play that much. Odd how that works. I didn't. I finished the week with 300k SP left to cap, and I'm A-OK with what I got. That said, there were plenty of good suggestions on the forum for ways to prevent AFK abuse without wearing our the general public. (Increasing SP cap by 2x, but WP SP in match by 6x for instance. Wish I knew which player to attribute that excellent idea.) Making the experience rewarding for the general base gets CCP more love than rewarding the hardcore only. I just hope the devs took some notes. But yeah... I'm probably just being a standard cynical Forum Warrior here. Any extra SP is good SP. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 231	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:04:00 - [38] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Killar-12 wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I capped by Sunday (when my active omega was going to run out). It was horrible but I really needed the SP. Don't do this to us again CCP. We need a capless SP system!? People crying for no cap and they give us a week with almost no cap and you cry more. What do you guys want? What with finally make you happy? This is another junk QQ thread, you got what we asked for and still complain and cry about it. Bunch of kids. At least Capless up to 5 millon SP... it could cap at 100 M and they would still cry, I don't even understand what they want. It must be difficult for CCP to do anything when all be do is cry about the things we told them to do. If I was CCP I would tell us to screw off and then make the game like I wanted to just like every other game company. Amen, You know, it appears that most people also start their replies with the letter "I". As if most of us really care that much about the other people in this community and thier inability or ability to cap. in other words, to all the people in the forum. No one cares about you, your life, your character or your inability to CAP out, or that you capped out in less than 24 hours. The is no reward and no one thinks your cool or is going to give you a cookie.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1235	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:15:00 - [39] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Here is a thought. You don't have to play that much. Odd how that works. I didn't. I finished the week with 300k SP left to cap, and I'm A-OK with what I got. That said, there were plenty of good suggestions on the forum for ways to prevent AFK abuse without wearing our the general public. (Increasing SP cap by 2x, but WP SP in match by 6x for instance. Wish I knew which player to attribute that excellent idea.) Making the experience rewarding for the general base gets CCP more love than rewarding the hardcore only. I just hope the devs took some notes. But yeah... I'm probably just being a standard cynical Forum Warrior here. Any extra SP is good SP. The reward did benefit the casual player but it also had to benefit everyone equally. The people who spend all day playing will benefit more much like working more makes you more money. The problem is not CCP it is us, the community and our ability to whine about everything and demand something for nothing. CCP did what we wanted and are still chastised for it. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1155	Posted - 2013.11.14 18:39:00 - [40] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: The reward did benefit the casual player but it also had to benefit everyone equally. Except it didn't. It increased the amount of time needed to hit the cap by 5-10 times, depending on whether you're an efficient pub-stomper or not. The grind was much longer and less rewarding for newer and non-hardcore players, people I'd argue could use the SP the most. It would have benefitted everyone equally only if CCP did a simple multiplier, not make the bonus for WP only. Now, if the goal was "reward our best players for being our best players," I suppose it worked. But I think SP events should be engineered to help out the people on the low-end of the SP totem pole the most, or at the very least not penalize them by making them have to grind harder than pros. But I can see how that's hard to do while trying to avoid AFK farmers. I just hope CCP keeps experimenting with the bonus SP event model until they get something solid all around. I know they're capable of it. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù

Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 108	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:14:00 - [41] - Quote I keep forgetting about the gun CCP had to my head, forcing me to grind. Oh wait...
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 203	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:19:00 - [42] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I capped by Sunday (when my active omega was going to run out). It was horrible but I really needed the SP. Don't do this to us again CCP. We need a capless SP system!? People crying for no cap and they give us a week with almost no cap and you cry more. What do you guys want? What with finally make you happy? This is another junk QQ thread, you got what we asked for and still complain and cry about it. Bunch of kids. Newsflash: the people who want no cap are different people to the ones complaining about the extended cap.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 867	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:20:00 - [43] - Quote notify Webster that 'proof' has taken on a brand new meaning.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 289	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:27:00 - [44] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: The reward did benefit the casual player but it also had to benefit everyone equally. Except it didn't. It increased the amount of time needed to hit the cap by 5-10 times, depending on whether you're an efficient pub-stomper or not. The grind was much longer and less rewarding for newer and non-hardcore players, people I'd argue could use the SP the most. It would have benefitted everyone equally only if CCP did a simple multiplier, not make the bonus for WP only. Now, if the goal was "reward our best players for being our best players," I suppose it worked. But I think SP events should be engineered to help out the people on the low-end of the SP totem pole the most, or at the very least not penalize them by making them have to grind harder than pros. But I can see how that's hard to do while trying to avoid AFK farmers. I just hope CCP keeps experimenting with the bonus SP event model until they get something solid all around. I know they're capable of it. DB... I think you might be off track. I totally understand the postion if you assume "Cap" equals a static amount not a percentage increase. We all reached our normal cap of SP we would have gotten in an un-accelerated week of play much faster, correct? So the grind to hit your normal week of SP earned was actually easier. Everything you got after the baseline cap was freebie. From the standpoint of hitting your SP cap based on matches requried or percentage earned you are correct - but that's not the point of the Triple Active event. The point was to provide a way for increased SP production which CCP did. There is no bonus SP for reaching your SP cap, they just made created the conditions for you to earn more than you normally would. Make sense?
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1238	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:55:00 - [45] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I capped by Sunday (when my active omega was going to run out). It was horrible but I really needed the SP. Don't do this to us again CCP. We need a capless SP system!? People crying for no cap and they give us a week with almost no cap and you cry more. What do you guys want? What with finally make you happy? This is another junk QQ thread, you got what we asked for and still complain and cry about it. Bunch of kids. Newsflash: the people who want no cap are different people to the ones complaining about the extended cap. Doesn't matter. What is the problem with and extended cap? Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Sentient Archon 1282	Posted - 2013.11.14 20:05:00 - [46] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I ended the event with 510k+ cap left. I don't have time to cap in a beta. QFT! The only troll to successfully troll CCP.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 370	Posted - 2013.11.14 20:10:00 - [47] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: This thread has a bunch of suckers in it who keep playing when not having fun due to [Insert_Stupid_Reason_Here] So much this.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 1942	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:06:00 - [48] - Quote The tips of my fingers had jolts of pain under the nail, couldn't spam R1 for my scrambler. I just stopped shooting people after a while, just spammed them uplinks! "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2167	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:40:00 - [49] - Quote How to know event was too grindy? When game makes you play it so much that you start to hate it, not a safe position for players already teetering on the edge.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5085	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:44:00 - [50] - Quote I wasn't able to cap at all. After all that grind, I could still had about 200,000 bonus SP left over when the weekly cap reset. On a positive note, I now have over 1 million unallocated SP on my character. Read for the CLOKI equipment when it hits. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.

THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 256	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:54:00 - [51] - Quote Capped 14 mins before downtime. Guess what? It wasn't a grind for me. Why? Because I don't share the ******** mentality of many here who seem to see the main motivation in amassing SP instead of playing and enjoying the game. Bumped me up to a tidy 25,000,000 SP. :D
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 68	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:55:00 - [52] - Quote Capped my main boosterless, got down to maybe 230k on my alt + the 3-day. Blah.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 389	Posted - 2013.11.15 00:05:00 - [53] - Quote Damn this went in a totally different direction and for much longer than I thought it would! For the record, I managed to cap with an active omega on Monday. Other than hand fatigue, I was fine with it. I played one battle after capping, then played again for about an hour the next night anyway, mostly b/c a couple people my corp had lost to BF and GTA came back for a day or two due to the 3x cap (a couple others went 'meh' and left again b/c it wasn't a real triple SP event, btw) and it was fun to squad up with them again. Also: naturally, the word "proof" is being used in jest, Mr. Smarty pants. Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 207	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:21:00 - [54] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I capped by Sunday (when my active omega was going to run out). It was horrible but I really needed the SP. Don't do this to us again CCP. We need a capless SP system!? People crying for no cap and they give us a week with almost no cap and you cry more. What do you guys want? What with finally make you happy? This is another junk QQ thread, you got what we asked for and still complain and cry about it. Bunch of kids. Newsflash: the people who want no cap are different people to the ones complaining about the extended cap. Doesn't matter. What is the problem with and extended cap? Grind, obviously.


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