DUST Search - The situation with SVER in PFC

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

So you believe that the only place to train is in live action with all the marbles on the table?

I can literally think of no scenario where people do not train before endeavoring into something where the stakes are high.

Care to offer an example? I mean CCP has given us literally ZERO ways to team deploy other than PC. Right now PC has perhaps 1-5% of the playerbase involved. Do you think that might change if we were to have the old corp battle mode back?

PFC is the only thing close to this. If you don't like the idea behind PFC then you flat out don't like the idea of having a vibrant Molden Heath with lots of fighting.

I'd venture to say that the success people have in PC comes from the experience they gathered in beta fighting in lots of corp battles. I don't think PFC is going to change this anytime soon, but it does give corps a way to show their lower SP players what they have to do. It gives some validity to their statements about how to skill and the importance of specialization and teamwork if they want to be successful in PC.

To argue this only shows a person to be stubborn to a fault or a troll.

I believe that

Prior to me joining R* i had played in 0 corp battles in DUST, but i had done corp battles in other games so thats where my experience mostly comes from and its easily applied in other games

PFC is like a giant ball of wool and players muck about on it and maybe fight once a week while farming the other 6days

PFC is peaceful mostly and backed up by bigger corps who are supposed to keep balance (lolAE keeping balance while looking at Nyain San 3 districts lol)

Thing is tho 'war' isnt fair, they will hit you as much as possible and if you own 1 district thats easy to deal with but once you hit the higher numbers then it gets harder and harder to deal with because of overlapping timers for example or just timers when the corp isnt as active

Really how many games will it take for PFC corps to be good enough to join and compete with the rest of molden heath?

How long will it have to go on for? Will they ever be good enough to compete?

PFC is a farmville planet which isnt as active as it really should be and they have the fall back knowing that they will always have that district even if they lose, PC you lose you have a re up, you lose that you may have another re up or you lose the district on PFC it doesnt happen and you can contact the 'police' to sort it out

PFC is as far away from PC as it gets imo

Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.


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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1916	Posted - 2013.11.13 12:45:00 - [1] - Quote iTbagyou wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: This PFC thing has become a joke anyway....Nyain San has two districts on Oddeldulf as if that complies with the ideology of planet fight club. The fact it exists proves how much of a joke pc is. I personally couldnt agree more. Training is essentially moot if you have nothing to lose. That is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. You should rethink that, take a deep breath and edit that. There is literally nothing that people do where stakes are high that training isn't involved. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1918	Posted - 2013.11.13 14:47:00 - [2] - Quote iTbagyou wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: iTbagyou wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: This PFC thing has become a joke anyway....Nyain San has two districts on Oddeldulf as if that complies with the ideology of planet fight club. The fact it exists proves how much of a joke pc is. I personally couldnt agree more. Training is essentially moot if you have nothing to lose. That is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. You should rethink that, take a deep breath and edit that. There is literally nothing that people do where stakes are high that training isn't involved. No thanks, ill stick with my statement. So you believe that the only place to train is in live action with all the marbles on the table? I can literally think of no scenario where people do not train before endeavoring into something where the stakes are high. Care to offer an example? I mean CCP has given us literally ZERO ways to team deploy other than PC. Right now PC has perhaps 1-5% of the playerbase involved. Do you think that might change if we were to have the old corp battle mode back? PFC is the only thing close to this. If you don't like the idea behind PFC then you flat out don't like the idea of having a vibrant Molden Heath with lots of fighting. I'd venture to say that the success people have in PC comes from the experience they gathered in beta fighting in lots of corp battles. I don't think PFC is going to change this anytime soon, but it does give corps a way to show their lower SP players what they have to do. It gives some validity to their statements about how to skill and the importance of specialization and teamwork if they want to be successful in PC. To argue this only shows a person to be stubborn to a fault or a troll. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1918	Posted - 2013.11.13 15:42:00 - [3] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: So you believe that the only place to train is in live action with all the marbles on the table? I can literally think of no scenario where people do not train before endeavoring into something where the stakes are high. Care to offer an example? I mean CCP has given us literally ZERO ways to team deploy other than PC. Right now PC has perhaps 1-5% of the playerbase involved. Do you think that might change if we were to have the old corp battle mode back? PFC is the only thing close to this. If you don't like the idea behind PFC then you flat out don't like the idea of having a vibrant Molden Heath with lots of fighting. I'd venture to say that the success people have in PC comes from the experience they gathered in beta fighting in lots of corp battles. I don't think PFC is going to change this anytime soon, but it does give corps a way to show their lower SP players what they have to do. It gives some validity to their statements about how to skill and the importance of specialization and teamwork if they want to be successful in PC. To argue this only shows a person to be stubborn to a fault or a troll. I believe that Prior to me joining R* i had played in 0 corp battles in DUST, but i had done corp battles in other games so thats where my experience mostly comes from and its easily applied in other games PFC is like a giant ball of wool and players muck about on it and maybe fight once a week while farming the other 6days PFC is peaceful mostly and backed up by bigger corps who are supposed to keep balance (lolAE keeping balance while looking at Nyain San 3 districts lol) Thing is tho 'war' isnt fair, they will hit you as much as possible and if you own 1 district thats easy to deal with but once you hit the higher numbers then it gets harder and harder to deal with because of overlapping timers for example or just timers when the corp isnt as active Really how many games will it take for PFC corps to be good enough to join and compete with the rest of molden heath? How long will it have to go on for? Will they ever be good enough to compete? PFC is a farmville planet which isnt as active as it really should be and they have the fall back knowing that they will always have that district even if they lose, PC you lose you have a re up, you lose that you may have another re up or you lose the district on PFC it doesnt happen and you can contact the 'police' to sort it out PFC is as far away from PC as it gets imo But you joined Red Star. The corp was full of people with experience. It's not about the individual players when it comes to PC. If the field commanders and squad leaders have no idea how to field a team and set objectives then it doesn't matter how good the individuals are. I really don't have the patience to try to explain to people why it is important to train for things. I took it for granted that normally functioning human brains just had the importance of training in all walks of life stored as important by default. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.