DUST Search - The Heavy machine gun, Accuratly inacurate

HowDidThatTaste wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

CCP Saberwing wrote:

Hey guys.

We've had a look at this video and it's pretty cool. Great work pulling it together. :) Love getting this kind of feedback.

We're having a look in to the situation with HMG spread and will keep you posted, mmmmkay.

I'm not sure that increasing spread per se is the correct solution, as this will make the weapon even less effective at mid range Shocked

. Rather just make the area that hits larger, to reflect the fact this is a multi-barrel weapon. To illustrate:

Current situation of laser beam-like fire looks like this:
--- (which is crap close up)

Increased spread would look like this:
< (which is crap at range)

Increased hit area would look like this:
---
--- (where the two lines represent the top and bottom barrel, and anything between them at any range gets hit)

Well in past builds the HMG did actually shoot in a cone and it became tighter the longer you shoot.

So they have the technology, apparently some wires got crossed and numbers may have been inputed with thick thumbs causing this debacle.


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Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 473	Posted - 2013.11.13 07:45:00 - [1] - Quote Well, this is interesting. Learn 2 aim heavies. Joke aside, the HMG sight is tooooo big if this is how it is supposed to be. An regular "AR"-cross would do just fine. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 473	Posted - 2013.11.13 08:07:00 - [2] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: How fking hard can it be to design weapons? Seriously. 1) Take a pencil 2) write down combat ranges 3) define weapons for those ranges 4) design weapons to dominate at "their" range HMG should have a spread area as wide as 2 dropsuits at 20m range and destroy anything inside. Yes, either a huuuuuuuuge spread or increased range. Right now it has pinpoint accuracy and crap range => crap weapon. Minmatar weapons are however short range uber dmg weapons, so I think the spread should increase to make this weapon feared again. Looked at jolly rogers video from chromosome the other day. Look at the HMG spread in that vid, it is working there (see 4:55 for example): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd0tAoagjDE If they fix this, I might go heavy. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 473	Posted - 2013.11.13 10:05:00 - [3] - Quote It feels like the weapon spread is not a bell curve, more like a ON/OFF thing, or the standard deviation of the bell curve is too small. I wonder what unit the weapon accuracy parameter in this game is in? Pixels? Has this parameter changed recently for the HMG? If someone knows, I could generate some graphs of 2 dimensional distributions to try this theory out. EDIT: Maybe CCP placed the decimal point wrong in the code or something (or forgot a zero)? :) It could actually be that the spread is 1/10 too small? +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 474	Posted - 2013.11.13 10:32:00 - [4] - Quote Ok, I did a reference simulation just to show what a factor 10 and factor 100 wrong in the spread parameter for a gaussian distribution will look like. See links below Reference measurement (spread equals radius): Radius = 1, standard deviation = 1 http://i.imgur.com/1gPt4QN.jpg Factor 10 smaller standard deviation (spread): Radius = 1, standard deviation = 1/10 http://i.imgur.com/F3RRsLu.jpg Factor 100 smaller standard deviation (spread): Radius = 1, standard deviation = 1/100 http://i.imgur.com/kXGprmx.jpg Graphs and statistics FTW. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. "Core Locus 514. AR 514. Bricktank 514. COD 514."
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 474	Posted - 2013.11.13 10:34:00 - [5] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: @Spectral Clone The last line of your signature is awesome.It's like naming all the patches of dust so far. What would you call 1.6? COD 514. Will add it. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. "Core Locus 514. AR 514. Bricktank 514. COD 514."
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 475	Posted - 2013.11.13 10:40:00 - [6] - Quote I think the second graph would serve as a 'how people believe the HMG should function' and the third graph indicates pretty well how it is now according to your nice experiments Ghaz. Ghaz: Could you summarize this thread and submit it as a bug report? Feel free to use my graphs to examplify to CCP what the problem is. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. "Core Locus 514. AR 514. Bricktank 514. COD 514."
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 475	Posted - 2013.11.13 11:33:00 - [7] - Quote Possible that CCP misplaced a decimal somewhere, forgot to update some value in the code when changing others (when adding new content), since they didnt change the sight to account for these changes. CCP seem to usually be very careful when doing these kind of changed to get every part right. I believe this is a bug. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. I Support SP Rollover. "Core Locus 514. AR 514. Bricktank 514. COD 514."
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 481	Posted - 2013.11.13 16:37:00 - [8] - Quote Doesnt make sense that such a weapons accuracy/spread increase with range. It should spread like a cone. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. I Support SP Rollover. "Core Locus 514. AR 514. Bricktank 514. COD 514."
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 487	Posted - 2013.11.14 09:46:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Hey guys. We've had a look at this video and it's pretty cool. Great work pulling it together. :) Love getting this kind of feedback. We're having a look in to the situation with HMG spread and will keep you posted, mmmmkay. Yay! Blue post! +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. I Support SP Rollover. "Core Locus 514. AR 514. Bricktank 514. COD 514."
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 491	Posted - 2013.11.14 11:48:00 - [10] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Hey guys. We've had a look at this video and it's pretty cool. Great work pulling it together. :) Love getting this kind of feedback. We're having a look in to the situation with HMG spread and will keep you posted, mmmmkay. I'm not sure that increasing spread per se is the correct solution, as this will make the weapon even less effective at mid range . Rather just make the area that hits larger, to reflect the fact this is a multi-barrel weapon. To illustrate: Current situation of laser beam-like fire looks like this: --- (which is crap close up) Increased spread would look like this: < (which is crap at range) Increased hit area would look like this: --- --- (where the two lines represent the top and bottom barrel, and anything between them at any range gets hit) Well in past builds the HMG did actually shoot in a cone and it became tighter the longer you shoot. So they have the technology, apparently some wires got crossed and numbers may have been inputed with thick thumbs causing this debacle. Yeh, I believe that the HMG might still have this cone, but some numbers are fudged in the code, especially the parameter describing the spread (or radius) of the cone. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. I Support SP Rollover. "Core Locus 514. AR 514. Bricktank 514. COD 514."