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MassiveNine
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:32:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Audacious Mandate wrote:+1 for the video, as a new Heavy it's very helpful (also explains how I was reliably getting HS at about 20 meters). I am curious though why anyone would want dispersal to fill the entire cone? Yes, it would give you more of a shotgun effect at close range, but at effective range the same number of bullets filling a larger area would do less damage on whoever you hit.
I like the aiming the way it is now, we just need a more representative reticle. When I created this alt it was because I kept seeing threads about the poor damage of the HMG; yet despite that I ran across quite a few (not all) Heavies who could shred people very effectively with it. Maybe it's because I got used to playing with more accurate weapons like the sniper rifle, but I prefer accuracy.
Edit: sorry for the wall:) Agreed
We don't need a smaller reticle. What we want is when someone is within our huge retical for them to be taking lots of damage. Theoretically, when he was 2m away and had half the retical the red dot should have still been taking massive damage. we want our retical to be an accurate description of our dispersion.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 19:07:00 -
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Audacious Mandate wrote:MassiveNine wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Audacious Mandate wrote:+1 for the video, as a new Heavy it's very helpful (also explains how I was reliably getting HS at about 20 meters). I am curious though why anyone would want dispersal to fill the entire cone? Yes, it would give you more of a shotgun effect at close range, but at effective range the same number of bullets filling a larger area would do less damage on whoever you hit.
I like the aiming the way it is now, we just need a more representative reticle. When I created this alt it was because I kept seeing threads about the poor damage of the HMG; yet despite that I ran across quite a few (not all) Heavies who could shred people very effectively with it. Maybe it's because I got used to playing with more accurate weapons like the sniper rifle, but I prefer accuracy.
Edit: sorry for the wall:) Agreed We don't need a smaller reticle. What we want is when someone is within our huge retical for them to be taking lots of damage. Theoretically, when he was 2m away and had half the retical the red dot should have still been taking massive damage. we want our retical to be an accurate description of our dispersion. I agree it should be accurate, I don't think the dispersion should be as great as the current reticle size as this would nerf it at range.
Well if the dispersion actually functioned correctly as you fire the retical gets tighter and thus more accurate dispersion. There is nothing wrong with the retical, Im sorry you feel that way but lets move on to the real issue.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 20:41:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:If the HMG where the have the damage fill the circle it would not lose any range. The beginning test shows the the circle tightens enough for it to have the target become bigger than the circle. Anyone wanting to use it farther than 30 meters would have to use ADS and crouch as CCP intended. The close quarters nature of the weapon creates a need for the bullets to fill the spread. This will help en CQC. The spread is not big enough for the player to lose a significant amount of damage, even at ranges farther than 30 meters.
As it stands no matter how close or far your target is if you are not centered you lose 70 - 100% of your damage. Weapons that require pin point accuracy like the laser rifle or the sniper do not need you to be at 30 meters or less where it would be nearly impossible to have your target on the dot for the full engagement.
All argument that increasing the damage to fill the circle is a bad thing are completely invalid because 80% of the HMG population, specially the new ones, used the HMG with the idea that damage was being applied everywhere within the circle. Eve suggesting that ADS and crouching were necessary to reduce spread and hit the target better. My experiments showed that the only gain from ADS and Crouching was a tightening of a spread that is not being a used by the weapon. Therefore we can only conclude that making bullets fill the spread will serve to make the play style that most of us thought the weapon had become a reality.
BOOM! Knowledge motha fckas
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:14:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:jamstar saa187 wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Who would have thought the closer to the center of your reticule, the more damage is applied .../facepalm
Too much rocket science for my brain to grasp :) maybe the point of the OP is lost, it's not so much that 'the closer you get to the center, the more damage is applied' , the point is that practically NO damage is done unless the target is DEAD CENTER, or at least until the tiny center pin is on the target. hence so many Laser rifle comparisons. this is absolutely not what the weapon was promoted as, and if this was the intended mechanic of the gun, why the large reticle size? Try moving, then there's spread
lies all lies. Stop spreading false information it's people like you who have made it the way it is now so just stfu and step aside b!tch.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:41:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:MassiveNine wrote:Dexter307 wrote:jamstar saa187 wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Who would have thought the closer to the center of your reticule, the more damage is applied .../facepalm
Too much rocket science for my brain to grasp :) maybe the point of the OP is lost, it's not so much that 'the closer you get to the center, the more damage is applied' , the point is that practically NO damage is done unless the target is DEAD CENTER, or at least until the tiny center pin is on the target. hence so many Laser rifle comparisons. this is absolutely not what the weapon was promoted as, and if this was the intended mechanic of the gun, why the large reticle size? Try moving, then there's spread lies all lies. Stop spreading false information it's people like you who have made it the way it is now so just stfu and step aside b!tch. Guessing you don't use the HMG then :p HMG is only a laser if you stand still, adding spread would just nerf the HMG even more, and I'm tired of the dumb ideas people give for the HMG. "Lower it's ROF so it's more accurate!" HMG skill changed from reduced heat build up to less kick (accually happened) And now widen it's spread :/
Umm... I've been using the HMG exclusively since codex, so I think I'd know a little bit about the weapon. IF there was actual dispersion when moving then I'd be able to hit strafing players easier, but as we all know that's not the case. Like I said before, our large retical SHOULD be an accurate description of what our dispersion pattern is, and if someone's body is anywhere within my retical they should take damage, but as we now have proof of it doesn't, ever, unless you have pinpoint accuracy 100% of the time. We don't want the spread widened, we actually want our bullets to spread the way they are supposed to, so that I can actually hit multiple enemies at once, as I should be able to, instead of having to focus on a single person until they are dead and then move to the next, that's not how a SUPPRESSION weapon is supposed to work.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:03:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:Dexter307 wrote:
Guessing you don't use the HMG then :p
HMG is only a laser if you stand still, adding spread would just nerf the HMG even more, and I'm tired of the dumb ideas people give for the HMG.
You have nothing whatsoever to support your point. Even though there is video evidence sitting in the first post of this thread against it, your argument is: "Nuh uh." It's not convincing. In the first 10 seconds of Ghaz's video he's moving and shooting the gun, and the HMG is working exactly as he describes in his tests. The proof against your point is right there already. When a gun shoots at 2000 rpm and your 10m away of course your going to kill people
Cant you see that you're the idiot here? Just accept it, give up, and move on. You're like a bad politician on a good day.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:08:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:MassiveNine wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:Dexter307 wrote:
Guessing you don't use the HMG then :p
HMG is only a laser if you stand still, adding spread would just nerf the HMG even more, and I'm tired of the dumb ideas people give for the HMG.
You have nothing whatsoever to support your point. Even though there is video evidence sitting in the first post of this thread against it, your argument is: "Nuh uh." It's not convincing. In the first 10 seconds of Ghaz's video he's moving and shooting the gun, and the HMG is working exactly as he describes in his tests. The proof against your point is right there already. When a gun shoots at 2000 rpm and your 10m away of course your going to kill people Cant you see that you're the idiot here? Just accept it, give up, and move on. You're like a bad politician on a good day. Kid, the adults are talking, go take a nap.
lol. using that line once didn't feel like enough for you did it? Now you're just an idiot, trying to be a troll, but failing. Here's a foot, why don't you insert into mouth and sit in the corner, and let the people who ACTUALLY know what they are talking about and not spread ******** lies talk now
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:10:00 -
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[quote=Master Jaraiy
Seriously, why are you trying to argue with something that the OP has provided video evidence of and CCP has Blue tagged confirming exactly what we are all telling you.
Don't be so dense.[/quote]
You know I heard this great saying once that dex should consider, it goes: Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:30:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Dexter307 wrote:
Hey, I just remembered I can hide all your posts
One less kid I have to deal with :)
P.s. I'm hiding your posts because your not trying to argue, your just throwing insults around
Sooo, why exactly are you "trying to argu"? Is it just for the sake of arguing? You should probably seek help for that. HMG has spread while moving. It's not hard to understand. If it doesn't have spread while standing still, what makes you think it does while you move. Ohhhh I see! So, where is the "Accuracy Rating while Moving" Stat listed again?  Dude, the Accuracy of the weapon doesn't change just because you move. It simply means that you are dealing damage across a horizontal line because you are moving. The instant you stop moving, you stop dealing damage across a horizontal line. If I grab a laser rifle and strafe while shooting 4 red dots all in a line, does that mean the Laser has dispersion? Of course not that is preposterous.
We should just stop paying attention to the special needs kid here and lets get back to the real argument. It's obvious dexter is dumb so what's the point, ya know?
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:46:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:
Dude, the Accuracy of
Dude, really. Moving does nothing to the Dispersion of the weapon itself.
Moving in and of itself Disperses your DPS across a horizontal line because you are moving!
Take the AR for instance. When an enemy is running, and I begin firing at his side, I can stay perfectly on target as long as I strafe and keep him in my sight. My accuracy is not effected at all. I lose no DPS.
Bullets do not simply disperse more because I'm moving. Bullets do, however, disperse more the longer I hold the trigger down with the AR. This is, of course, opposite of the HMG. As you fire, the HMG becomes even more accurate.
(Ugh, 5 quote limit ) We'll I don't know what to say. I've tested it and it has spread only while moving. If you don't believe me that's fine.
He doesn't believe you because you didn't test anything and are just spreading lies.
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Posted - 2013.12.16 16:33:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Hey guys.
We've had a look at this video and it's pretty cool. Great work pulling it together. :) Love getting this kind of feedback.
We're having a look in to the situation with HMG spread and will keep you posted, mmmmkay. 30 plus days and not another word has been said about a fix coming soon, next patch, nothing! Thanks for keeping us posted doing a bang up job I refuse to spawn with my HMG anymore. The muzzle flash is too bright to see what you're shooting at, and everything has double your range these days. If I wanted to camp an objective, I'd become a remote explosive
You can do what I did, stopped playing completely. I was able to get 37 days worth of passive boosters, that's how long I'm not touching the game for. Plus with my shiny PS4 dust is all but obsolete now.
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Posted - 2013.12.16 16:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:MassiveNine wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:CCP Saberwing wrote:Hey guys.
We've had a look at this video and it's pretty cool. Great work pulling it together. :) Love getting this kind of feedback.
We're having a look in to the situation with HMG spread and will keep you posted, mmmmkay. 30 plus days and not another word has been said about a fix coming soon, next patch, nothing! Thanks for keeping us posted doing a bang up job I refuse to spawn with my HMG anymore. The muzzle flash is too bright to see what you're shooting at, and everything has double your range these days. If I wanted to camp an objective, I'd become a remote explosive You can do what I did, stopped playing completely. I was able to get 37 days worth of passive boosters, that's how long I'm not touching the game for. Plus with my shiny PS4 dust is all but obsolete now. I'm dirt poor with no life to speak of, so DUST is where I'm at. I just don't leave my dropship anymore lol
Yea, i hear you. The PS4 was a gift, so otherwise I'd prolly still be playing dust. I also forgot to mention the boosters came from the AUR that I was refunded for my BPO's.
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