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Dexter307
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Posted - 2013.11.14 06:21:00 -
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It only seems to do this when standing still. If you move at all you can notice there is much more spread. |
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Posted - 2013.11.14 06:30:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Dexter307 wrote:It only seems to do this when standing still. If you move at all you can notice there is much more spread. The is no spread. If you are talking about the huge circle, it doesn't actually matter. The circle is a lie. The bullets don't go anywhere but the point in the center.
You can visualy see the bullets travel away from the center when your moving. Ive even tested it and got hit markers when i had the point in the center not aimed at the target. |
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Posted - 2013.11.14 06:36:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Dexter307 wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Dexter307 wrote:It only seems to do this when standing still. If you move at all you can notice there is much more spread. The is no spread. If you are talking about the huge circle, it doesn't actually matter. The circle is a lie. The bullets don't go anywhere but the point in the center. You can visualy see the bullets travel away from the center when your moving. Ive even tested it and got hit markers when i had the point in the center not aimed at the target. The animation is not the same as where the bullets are hitting. But for the sake of argument I can also make s video of this too. Even if the animation was off i can still get hitmarkers |
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:43:00 -
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Audacious Mandate wrote:+1 for the video, as a new Heavy it's very helpful (also explains how I was reliably getting HS at about 20 meters). I am curious though why anyone would want dispersal to fill the entire cone? Yes, it would give you more of a shotgun effect at close range, but at effective range the same number of bullets filling a larger area would do less damage on whoever you hit.
I like the aiming the way it is now, we just need a more representative reticle. When I created this alt it was because I kept seeing threads about the poor damage of the HMG; yet despite that I ran across quite a few (not all) Heavies who could shred people very effectively with it. Maybe it's because I got used to playing with more accurate weapons like the sniper rifle, but I prefer accuracy.
Edit: sorry for the wall:) Agreed |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:10:00 -
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jamstar saa187 wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Who would have thought the closer to the center of your reticule, the more damage is applied .../facepalm
Too much rocket science for my brain to grasp :) maybe the point of the OP is lost, it's not so much that 'the closer you get to the center, the more damage is applied' , the point is that practically NO damage is done unless the target is DEAD CENTER, or at least until the tiny center pin is on the target. hence so many Laser rifle comparisons. this is absolutely not what the weapon was promoted as, and if this was the intended mechanic of the gun, why the large reticle size? Try moving, then there's spread |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:38:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Dexter307 wrote:jamstar saa187 wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Who would have thought the closer to the center of your reticule, the more damage is applied .../facepalm
Too much rocket science for my brain to grasp :) maybe the point of the OP is lost, it's not so much that 'the closer you get to the center, the more damage is applied' , the point is that practically NO damage is done unless the target is DEAD CENTER, or at least until the tiny center pin is on the target. hence so many Laser rifle comparisons. this is absolutely not what the weapon was promoted as, and if this was the intended mechanic of the gun, why the large reticle size? Try moving, then there's spread lies all lies. Stop spreading false information it's people like you who have made it the way it is now so just stfu and step aside b!tch. Guessing you don't use the HMG then :p HMG is only a laser if you stand still, adding spread would just nerf the HMG even more, and I'm tired of the dumb ideas people give for the HMG.
"Lower it's ROF so it's more accurate!" HMG skill changed from reduced heat build up to less kick (accually happened) And now widen it's spread :/
Also my HMG does a great job at killing. If you can't kill people with it then you just suck. |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:45:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Dexter307 wrote:MassiveNine wrote:Dexter307 wrote:jamstar saa187 wrote:
maybe the point of the OP is lost, it's not so much that 'the closer you get to the center, the more damage is applied' , the point is that practically NO damage is done unless the target is DEAD CENTER, or at least until the tiny center pin is on the target.
hence so many Laser rifle comparisons. this is absolutely not what the weapon was promoted as, and if this was the intended mechanic of the gun, why the large reticle size?
Try moving, then there's spread lies all lies. Stop spreading false information it's people like you who have made it the way it is now so just stfu and step aside b!tch. Guessing you don't use the HMG then :p HMG is only a laser if you stand still, adding spread would just nerf the HMG even more, and I'm tired of the dumb ideas people give for the HMG. "Lower it's ROF so it's more accurate!" HMG skill changed from reduced heat build up to less kick (accually happened) And now widen it's spread :/ Umm... I've been using the HMG exclusively since codex, so I think I'd know a little bit about the weapon. IF there was actual dispersion when moving then I'd be able to hit strafing players easier, but as we all know that's not the case. Then you just suck because I can hit strafing people just fine |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 16:52:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Dexter307 wrote: Guessing you don't use the HMG then :p HMG is only a laser if you stand still, adding spread would just nerf the HMG even more, and I'm tired of the dumb ideas people give for the HMG.
You have nothing whatsoever to support your point. Even though there is video evidence sitting in the first post of this thread against it, your argument is: "Nuh uh." It's not convincing. In the first 10 seconds of Ghaz's video he's moving and shooting the gun, and the HMG is working exactly as he describes in his tests. The proof against your point is right there already. When a gun shoots at 2000 rpm and your 10m away of course your going to kill people |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:02:00 -
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GTA V FTW wrote:Dexter307 wrote:
Umm... I've been using the HMG exclusively since codex, so I think I'd know a little bit about the weapon. IF there was actual dispersion when moving then I'd be able to hit strafing players easier, but as we all know that's not the case. Then you just suck because I can hit strafing people just fine
So your like the Devs you like large reticles as well, interesting. I don't really care about the reticle, it's the actual spread that matters |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:04:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote: I have absolutely no Idea what I'm talking about.
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Dexter307
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:05:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:Dexter307 wrote: Guessing you don't use the HMG then :p HMG is only a laser if you stand still, adding spread would just nerf the HMG even more, and I'm tired of the dumb ideas people give for the HMG.
You have nothing whatsoever to support your point. Even though there is video evidence sitting in the first post of this thread against it, your argument is: "Nuh uh." It's not convincing. In the first 10 seconds of Ghaz's video he's moving and shooting the gun, and the HMG is working exactly as he describes in his tests. The proof against your point is right there already. When a gun shoots at 2000 rpm and your 10m away of course your going to kill people Cant you see that you're the idiot here? Just accept it, give up, and move on. You're like a bad politician on a good day. Kid, the adults are talking, go take a nap. |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:08:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Dexter307 wrote:GTA V FTW wrote:Dexter307 wrote:
Umm... I've been using the HMG exclusively since codex, so I think I'd know a little bit about the weapon. IF there was actual dispersion when moving then I'd be able to hit strafing players easier, but as we all know that's not the case. Then you just suck because I can hit strafing people just fine
So your like the Devs you like large reticles as well, interesting. I don't really care about the reticle, it's the actual spread that matters There is no spread! It doesn't matter what range the enemy is at, you must have the tiny dot of the reticule on target or you do zero damage. Then how come I can hit people when it's not on them? Even in the video you can see when he starts shooting he hits them without having the small dot on them. When you move the spread is almost as wide as standing still and the beginning of when you start shooting. |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:11:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Im upset that I don't have an argument so I'm going to act like a child Fixed |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:13:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:[quote=Master Jaraiy Seriously, why are you trying to argue with something that the OP has provided video evidence of and CCP has Blue tagged confirming exactly what we are all telling you.
Don't be so dense.
You know I heard this great saying once that dex should consider, it goes: Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.[/quote] Hey, I just remembered I can hide all your posts One less kid I have to deal with :) P.s. I'm hiding your posts because your not trying to argue, your just throwing insults around |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:18:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Dexter307 wrote: Hey, I just remembered I can hide all your posts One less kid I have to deal with :) P.s. I'm hiding your posts because your not trying to argue, your just throwing insults around
Sooo, why exactly are you "trying to argu"? Is it just for the sake of arguing? You should probably seek help for that. HMG has spread while moving. It's not hard to understand. |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:24:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Dexter307 wrote: Hey, I just remembered I can hide all your posts One less kid I have to deal with :) P.s. I'm hiding your posts because your not trying to argue, your just throwing insults around
Sooo, why exactly are you "trying to argu"? Is it just for the sake of arguing? You should probably seek help for that. HMG has spread while moving. It's not hard to understand. If it doesn't have spread while standing still, what makes you think it does while you move. Ohhhh I see! So, where is the "Accuracy Rating while Moving" Stat listed again? Dude, the Accuracy of the weapon doesn't change just because you move. It simply means that you are dealing damage across a horizontal line because you are moving. "the Accuracy of the weapon doesn't change just because you move" *facepalm*
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:44:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:
Dude, the Accuracy of Dude, really. Moving does nothing to the Dispersion of the weapon itself.
Moving in and of itself Disperses your DPS across a horizontal line because you are moving!
Take the AR for instance. When an enemy is running, and I begin firing at his side, I can stay perfectly on target as long as I strafe and keep him in my sight. My accuracy is not effected at all. I lose no DPS.
Bullets do not simply disperse more because I'm moving. Bullets do, however, disperse more the longer I hold the trigger down with the AR. This is, of course, opposite of the HMG. As you fire, the HMG becomes even more accurate.
(Ugh, 5 quote limit ) We'll I don't know what to say. I've tested it and it has spread only while moving. If you don't believe me that's fine.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:51:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:
Dude, the Accuracy of Dude, really. Moving does nothing to the Dispersion of the weapon itself.
Moving in and of itself Disperses your DPS across a horizontal line because you are moving!
Take the AR for instance. When an enemy is running, and I begin firing at his side, I can stay perfectly on target as long as I strafe and keep him in my sight. My accuracy is not effected at all. I lose no DPS.
Bullets do not simply disperse more because I'm moving. Bullets do, however, disperse more the longer I hold the trigger down with the AR. This is, of course, opposite of the HMG. As you fire, the HMG becomes even more accurate.
(Ugh, 5 quote limit ) We'll I don't know what to say. I've tested it and it has spread only while moving. If you don't believe me that's fine. No one believes you cause your wrong! But thanks for bumping the thread Have you tested spread while moving? If not then don't bother talking. |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:55:00 -
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CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:
Dude, the Accuracy of Dude, really. Moving does nothing to the Dispersion of the weapon itself.
Moving in and of itself Disperses your DPS across a horizontal line because you are moving!
Take the AR for instance. When an enemy is running, and I begin firing at his side, I can stay perfectly on target as long as I strafe and keep him in my sight. My accuracy is not effected at all. I lose no DPS.
Bullets do not simply disperse more because I'm moving. Bullets do, however, disperse more the longer I hold the trigger down with the AR. This is, of course, opposite of the HMG. As you fire, the HMG becomes even more accurate.
(Ugh, 5 quote limit ) We'll I don't know what to say. I've tested it and it has spread only while moving. If you don't believe me that's fine. Get out your smart phone, record your test, and then post it. Then we might take you serious. Or how bout just STFU and GTFO of this thread and let the adults talk you clown. You know what? Fine, I give up. Go ahead and nerf the HMG. I just hope we get a respec soon so I can spec into ARs, those never seem to get nerfed. |
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:56:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Dexter307 wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:
Dude, the Accuracy of Dude, really. Moving does nothing to the Dispersion of the weapon itself.
Moving in and of itself Disperses your DPS across a horizontal line because you are moving!
Take the AR for instance. When an enemy is running, and I begin firing at his side, I can stay perfectly on target as long as I strafe and keep him in my sight. My accuracy is not effected at all. I lose no DPS.
Bullets do not simply disperse more because I'm moving. Bullets do, however, disperse more the longer I hold the trigger down with the AR. This is, of course, opposite of the HMG. As you fire, the HMG becomes even more accurate.
(Ugh, 5 quote limit ) We'll I don't know what to say. I've tested it and it has spread only while moving. If you don't believe me that's fine. No one believes you cause your wrong! But thanks for bumping the thread Have you tested spread while moving? If not then don't bother talking. Just for fun aim at a wall and you see the spread the HMG should have however the damage is only given at the pinpoint reticle. And yes it looks as though there is spread when moving . However as the video clearly shows there is no damage being done except at dead point center. He's standing still in the video though
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Dexter307
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:02:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:What you are seeing is the latancy of where you were firing your bullets a second ago while moving, same thing happens when shooting from a tank but is much more noticeable.
Standing still or moving is not going to change the actuall hit scan of the weapon it is the same standing still or moving. I tested it moving forward and backwards so the small dot never touched the enemy but I still killed him |
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