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Audacious Mandate
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:20:00 -
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+1 for the video, as a new Heavy it's very helpful (also explains how I was reliably getting HS at about 20 meters). I am curious though why anyone would want dispersal to fill the entire cone? Yes, it would give you more of a shotgun effect at close range, but at effective range the same number of bullets filling a larger area would do less damage on whoever you hit.
I like the aiming the way it is now, we just need a more representative reticle. When I created this alt it was because I kept seeing threads about the poor damage of the HMG; yet despite that I ran across quite a few (not all) Heavies who could shred people very effectively with it. Maybe it's because I got used to playing with more accurate weapons like the sniper rifle, but I prefer accuracy.
Edit: sorry for the wall:) |
Audacious Mandate
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:51:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Audacious Mandate wrote:+1 for the video, as a new Heavy it's very helpful (also explains how I was reliably getting HS at about 20 meters). I am curious though why anyone would want dispersal to fill the entire cone? Yes, it would give you more of a shotgun effect at close range, but at effective range the same number of bullets filling a larger area would do less damage on whoever you hit.
I like the aiming the way it is now, we just need a more representative reticle. When I created this alt it was because I kept seeing threads about the poor damage of the HMG; yet despite that I ran across quite a few (not all) Heavies who could shred people very effectively with it. Maybe it's because I got used to playing with more accurate weapons like the sniper rifle, but I prefer accuracy.
Edit: sorry for the wall:) Agreed We don't need a smaller reticle. What we want is when someone is within our huge retical for them to be taking lots of damage. Theoretically, when he was 2m away and had half the retical the red dot should have still been taking massive damage. we want our retical to be an accurate description of our dispersion.
I agree it should be accurate, I don't think the dispersion should be as great as the current reticle size as this would nerf it at range. |
Audacious Mandate
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:51:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:If the HMG where the have the damage fill the circle it would not lose any range. The beginning test shows the the circle tightens enough for it to have the target become bigger than the circle. Anyone wanting to use it farther than 30 meters would have to use ADS and crouch as CCP intended. The close quarters nature of the weapon creates a need for the bullets to fill the spread. This will help en CQC. The spread is not big enough for the player to lose a significant amount of damage, even at ranges farther than 30 meters.
As it stands no matter how close or far your target is if you are not centered you lose 70 - 100% of your damage. Weapons that require pin point accuracy like the laser rifle or the sniper do not need you to be at 30 meters or less where it would be nearly impossible to have your target on the dot for the full engagement.
All argument that increasing the damage to fill the circle is a bad thing are completely invalid because 80% of the HMG population, specially the new ones, used the HMG with the idea that damage was being applied everywhere within the circle. Eve suggesting that ADS and crouching were necessary to reduce spread and hit the target better. My experiments showed that the only gain from ADS and Crouching was a tightening of a spread that is not being a used by the weapon. Therefore we can only conclude that making bullets fill the spread will serve to make the play style that most of us thought the weapon had become a reality.
Not having had the opportunity in combat to test the range vs percentage of reticle filled by opponent (I'm usually busy trying not to die to ARs); I bow to your test results sir. Incidentally, at what range does the reticle become larger than the target? |
Audacious Mandate
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:47:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:IF you go to test two, it shows that if left on, the spread reduces to be smaller than the target if given the time to reach full spread reduction. The specific time of test 2 is second 51
Much obliged, watching on my phone it appeared he was signifigantly closer. |
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