DUST Search - [40 million isk per match] Xer Cloud Consortium Pays Ringers Better than Anyone!

MassiveNine wrote:

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

MassiveNine wrote:

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

MassiveNine wrote:

So I'm a bit confused, is this only for squads who want to ring? What if I was picked up solo, how does that work?

If you don't have a friend or another Dust game open on another screen you stand not to make any isk as a ringer in our PC battles. Plus you have to win the game to claim your money. Simple as that.

That's kind of dumb. Makes it much more of a hassle. I understand the part of winning, I'm quite used to it. Everyone knows no win = no pay but if I ring alone there's no reason a director in your corp couldn't keep records of who ringed in what match and pay accordingly, and if you plan to keep this going it would probably be a good idea to set up a base number is pay per ring and then have a formula to pay according to performance. Also, why couldn't I just apply an alt to the corp and you transfer the funds to the alt afterwards if you were still worried?

Do you not realize that all members in this corp are director; will and forever always be the case. With that comes a certain set of protocols, such as we can not guarantee pay for ringers. However, you may still run as a ringer with other corps in our PC battles and stand to clean out the house of their winnings.

So then have an alt join, don't give him director rights, boom easy as that. It's illogical to have a ring setup for only squads. You're more than likely going to find single ringers than whole squads from a corp, you need to have something set up that way.

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Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 320	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:33:00 - [1] - Quote As the forum is likely aware by now, our corp wallet is a complete free-for-all. So how does that work for securing payment for ringers that you bring in? It doesn't offer payment security in the traditional sense, but it offers an interesting opportunity for ringer squads to make a LOT of isk. Our protocols suggest that anyone interested in joining our active PC attacks send aboard a market representative (you don't have to identify to me that this is a market alt) with whom the party can trust and communicate with via Skype or another off game VoIP system. The market representative is tasked with either jumping out of the PC battle early or sitting out the entire match to watch the wallet screen in temporary afk for word that the match is ending. At such time, the market rep begins the strategic withdraw process to take out taxed funds on a winning PC battle. To illustrate, a six merc squad could have a 7th agent waiting back at home base. If the PC match results in a 40 million isk payout, that splits 5,714,000 isk seven ways. For greater security at protecting information on when a match ends it is suggested that a party bring in a full 16 merc squad via 3 to 4 XER corp alts. Under these conditions the only other players to know when a match is over are enemy combatant, who may themselves have market representatives in XER. Payment doesn't stop there. A market representative may continue to skim profits from the sale of excess clones if a district is held by Xer Cloud Consortium for an extended period of time. Otherwise, the market representative may choose to send clones to attack another district which which they want to pick a fight. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 322	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:42:00 - [2] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: God, I freaking love this corporation. Give me about a half hour, my corpmates. I will be playing some ambush to fuel all your wallet snatching needs. Just because I love you guys so. I'm also thinking of doing a "ISK for hire" deal. I haven't figured it all out yet and how it would work. The idea is that I have an alt who grinds for you and at a percentage of the total ISK. So if you need money but don't have the time, we can speak in game, come to an agreement of how much you want accumulated and I charge you a percentage of it (both agreed upon). I can give you the time and date I will begin such, with a comm channel that you can communicate with me. Oh and when we will have another PC? I'm ready to troll... Long live XCC. Disrupt order. Evade rules. Invoke chaos We should hit up the Chinese Internet Cafe gold grinders. I bet they'd like a change from grinding FF XIV Realm Reborn accounts. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 322	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:45:00 - [3] - Quote For PC battles, its also a fun sleight of hand when a corps sits in the warbarge then exits the match to bring in new players after you have already spawned on the ground. That's especially potent with our corp because everyone expects us to run militia suits. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 322	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:48:00 - [4] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: God, I freaking love this corporation. Give me about a half hour, my corpmates. I will be playing some ambush to fuel all your wallet snatching needs. Just because I love you guys so. I'm also thinking of doing a "ISK for hire" deal. I haven't figured it all out yet and how it would work. The idea is that I have an alt who grinds for you and at a percentage of the total ISK. So if you need money but don't have the time, we can speak in game, come to an agreement of how much you want accumulated and I charge you a percentage of it (both agreed upon). I can give you the time and date I will begin such, with a comm channel that you can communicate with me. Oh and when we will have another PC? I'm ready to troll... Long live XCC. Disrupt order. Evade rules. Invoke chaos We should hit up the Chinese Internet Cafe gold grinders. I bet they'd like a change from grinding FF XIV Realm Reborn accounts. Oh yea? That sounds like a good idea! I have no idea how to contact them though. But I like where this is heading If people aren't down for paying real money there is always going to the LP system coming to faction war fare. You ask players to pay a retainer fee of a certain number of LP gear items to keep your employ a certain number of hours per week of grind service. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 324	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:51:00 - [5] - Quote Jadu Wen wrote: Warning: alt legions coming to DUST 514! Anything to expand the allure and draw of this free to play game. If you can make money off a free to play game that's even better! [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 324	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:58:00 - [6] - Quote Jadu Wen wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Jadu Wen wrote: Warning: alt legions coming to DUST 514! Anything to expand the allure and draw of this free to play game. If you can make money off a free to play game that's even better! Would be really interested to find out if that is against the EULA. I don't see it as so because you are paying for someone's time, not for in game items, materials, or accounts. All you would be doing is coordinating times with their battles in order to withdraw wallet fund during times of lesser corp competition. On there other hand if someone was grinding isk as a business, I would imagine they would have two accounts running simultaneously. That way they can charge extra for the convenience of lump sum isk payments to their employers. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 325	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:01:00 - [7] - Quote MySpaceTom wrote: This actually sounds quite feasible, and I do imagine there are wealthy players who might not mind tossing out a couple coins to run proto tanks all day Yes, it would have to be at a market rate less than AUR goods. I imagine the community could find those levels. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 325	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:06:00 - [8] - Quote Jadu Wen wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: MySpaceTom wrote: This actually sounds quite feasible, and I do imagine there are wealthy players who might not mind tossing out a couple coins to run proto tanks all day Yes, it would have to be at a market rate less than AUR goods. I imagine the community could find those levels. Now Jadek...that might actually start hurting CCP bottom line, but it'll certainly generate awareness and press about the game. Then they should start making AUR items other than weapons, equipment, and vehicles. Bring on the paint bucket please! [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 325	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:13:00 - [9] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: We should hit up the Chinese Internet Cafe gold grinders. I bet they'd like a change from grinding FF XIV Realm Reborn accounts. Oh yea? That sounds like a good idea! I have no idea how to contact them though. But I like where this is heading Hmm. You see the way your Corp is set up? If gold grinders actually did find your guild one of them would be refreshing your bank screen 24/7 every 15 seconds or so and attempting withdrawals... They don't play for fun, they play to get the most money out of a short time. Repetitive grinding. In other words, attracting their attention to your Corp would effectively mean the end of your cash dispersal plans. Good point. Additionally, that network load might flux up CCP's servers. Oh dear. Headline: "Free to Play Game Taken Down by Wallet." Plus if that becomes the case, I will simply start another corp and run the corps concurrently as a growing alliance. If anything this model may evolve into a virus that peaks in relationship to the volume of gold grinders. People really can't break this idea. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 326	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:26:00 - [10] - Quote I'd nominate Chit Hoppened or one of his alts to oversee the next corp in our alliance. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 326	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:29:00 - [11] - Quote Jadu Wen wrote: Thank God for those 'read all' mail controls coming with 1.7. I'm up to 200 new mails in 5 days! The inner OCD in me is not happy. Yeah, it make a notification for when someone applies, is accepted, leaves, changes the corp tax, or sends corp mail. It is a little burdensome at the moment. Just think what it'll shoot up to when we have attack orders place on our districts. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 327	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:39:00 - [12] - Quote Jadu Wen wrote: MySpaceTom wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Headline: "Free to Play Game Taken Down by Wallet." Plus if that becomes the case, I will simply start another corp and run the corps concurrently as a growing alliance. If anything this model may evolve into a virus that peaks in relationship to the volume of gold grinders. People really can't break this idea. Yes, XER is chaos incarnate!!!!! We do have an available corp size of 5300 users which can be segmented down into an alliance. If gold grinders become too large of an issue the CEO can just kick them and start simple vetting procedures to balance grinders and isk producers An alliance filtered from members within the group may be a useful idea. Filter the producers to their own group while the takers have a piece of their own corp organized by the same open access principals. I'd certainly relegate AFG alt to that latter alliance corp. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 327	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:45:00 - [13] - Quote gbghg wrote: you people are all insane but this is brilliant, please don't stop, i really wanna see how long you guys can keep on going. Only five days in... [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 329	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:56:00 - [14] - Quote HAHAHAhahahahaoahOAhHA! Jadu, that's damn brilliant. Yes, go and make that corporation. Wow...that title is too funny when you shorten it down. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 329	Posted - 2013.11.12 21:22:00 - [15] - Quote Alright Ladies and Gentlemen, stay tuned for tonights development when Xer Cloud Consortium annouces the name of our new partnership filter corp. This corp is designed as a place for members we flag as not meeting a positive growth ratio of production verses theft. Warnings are placed by general community observances of the users actions on the corp wallet. Refresh spam of the wallet is one factor that may place a member in limbo. This means you afg alt. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 330	Posted - 2013.11.12 21:52:00 - [16] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: .......... Thanks for feeding the trolls with your topic bump [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 330	Posted - 2013.11.12 21:54:00 - [17] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: So I'm a bit confused, is this only for squads who want to ring? What if I was picked up solo, how does that work? If you don't have a friend or another Dust game open on another screen you stand not to make any isk as a ringer in our PC battles. Plus you have to win the game to claim your money. Simple as that. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 331	Posted - 2013.11.12 21:58:00 - [18] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Gambling is a tax on stupid people. There's always the one genius in that crowd making millions. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 331	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:02:00 - [19] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: MassiveNine wrote: So I'm a bit confused, is this only for squads who want to ring? What if I was picked up solo, how does that work? If you don't have a friend or another Dust game open on another screen you stand not to make any isk as a ringer in our PC battles. Plus you have to win the game to claim your money. Simple as that. That's kind of dumb. Makes it much more of a hassle. I understand the part of winning, I'm quite used to it. Everyone knows no win = no pay but if I ring alone there's no reason a director in your corp couldn't keep records of who ringed in what match and pay accordingly, and if you plan to keep this going it would probably be a good idea to set up a base number is pay per ring and then have a formula to pay according to performance. Also, why couldn't I just apply an alt to the corp and you transfer the funds to the alt afterwards if you were still worried? Do you not realize that all members in this corp are directors; will and forever always be the case. With that comes a certain set of protocols, such as we can not guarantee pay for ringers. However, you may still run as a ringer with other corps in our PC battles and stand to clean out the house of their winnings. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 331	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:03:00 - [20] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Gambling is a tax on stupid people. There's always the one genius in that crowd making millions. You're right, the Casino. Remember, everybody in the corp is the 'house.' You can never beat the house. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]

Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 332	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:10:00 - [21] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: MassiveNine wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: MassiveNine wrote: So I'm a bit confused, is this only for squads who want to ring? What if I was picked up solo, how does that work? If you don't have a friend or another Dust game open on another screen you stand not to make any isk as a ringer in our PC battles. Plus you have to win the game to claim your money. Simple as that. That's kind of dumb. Makes it much more of a hassle. I understand the part of winning, I'm quite used to it. Everyone knows no win = no pay but if I ring alone there's no reason a director in your corp couldn't keep records of who ringed in what match and pay accordingly, and if you plan to keep this going it would probably be a good idea to set up a base number is pay per ring and then have a formula to pay according to performance. Also, why couldn't I just apply an alt to the corp and you transfer the funds to the alt afterwards if you were still worried? Do you not realize that all members in this corp are director; will and forever always be the case. With that comes a certain set of protocols, such as we can not guarantee pay for ringers. However, you may still run as a ringer with other corps in our PC battles and stand to clean out the house of their winnings. So then have an alt join, don't give him director rights, boom easy as that. It's illogical to have a ring setup for only squads. You're more than likely going to find single ringers than whole squads from a corp, you need to have something set up that way. Then you don't understand the purpose of this social experiment. -Tax Rate is 95% -All Players are Directors -Al Players have access to the Corp Wallet -(New) Players Flagged as Non-Contributive, are ejected from the corp and asked to join our partner corp. If you want to run as a single ringer, contact myself or one of the other members to Xer Could Consortium and we will contact you on availabiliites for upcoming PC battles. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 332	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:16:00 - [22] - Quote Yes sir, we have the space. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 332	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:23:00 - [23] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Then you don't understand the purpose of this social experiment. -Tax Rate is 95% -All Players are Directors -Al Players have access to the Corp Wallet -(New) Players Flagged as Non-Contributive, are ejected from the corp and asked to join our partner corp. If you want to run as a single ringer, contact myself or one of the other members to Xer Could Consortium and we will contact you on availabiliites for upcoming PC battles. It's still illogical. There should be no reason to have X amount of ISK set aside for this purpose. You claim to pay the best and then say that you can't guarantee payment to a solo ringer? I understand the idea behind it and if you really claim to make as much as you do then whats the problem? @ Jadu there was nothing said about hesitation to join the ring, but if you really want people interested there needs to be some kind of assurance of pay. Why do you keep saying this is illogical? We are just working outside of your personal box of ideals and traditional guidelines. If you really want to work with us you have to step into chaos my fellow merc. I'm not worried if I don't hear back from you. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 332	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:25:00 - [24] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Brothers, if you will, please send me information through in game email. I am away from console for the next couple of hours. Will post updates later sir. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 334	Posted - 2013.11.13 02:53:00 - [25] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: It's illogical because you haven't looked at all of the different variables. You want people to ring but expect them to work through this like it's a hurdles race. A lot of simplification could be done to ease the process so the only person staying within the "box" is you. i've never said it was a bad idea, I am saying it's a bad idea not to look at the whole picture. Go ahead and add me to the "list," i'm curious to see how this really works. While I myself am not going to admit I've seen the whole picture, I have considered the valid points you have brought up. The concern with having me in the box is chalked down to a trust issue for some people. While yes, I would be willing to stay back and videotape the transfer process, some corps would rather handle the acquisition and transfer process themselves. As for payment of ringers I am not going to set a guaranteed rates and standards figure. I will however support the idea of corp members putting forward some kind of fighters fund to pay ringers from our pockets (if we are willing and able for that match), which I imagine is going to be somewhat low, especially considering you may lose the match regardless. The value of this fighters fund will be disclosed before the match (photos can be emailed if you request). The purpose of having the hurdles race to the cash is there to heighten the value you place on winning a match as a solo or squad ringer. The competitive system establishes an understanding regarding disparity of payment from a PC battle after taxes. Finally, thank you. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 347	Posted - 2013.11.13 18:02:00 - [26] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: It's still illogical. There should be no reason to have X amount of ISK set aside for this purpose. You claim to pay the best and then say that you can't guarantee payment to a solo ringer? I understand the idea behind it and if you really claim to make as much as you do then whats the problem? @ Jadu there was nothing said about hesitation to join the ring, but if you really want people interested there needs to be some kind of assurance of pay. I would like to hear what you feel is a fair amount of pay for play. Please think about this in the context that you are the merc who steals the 95%-100% tax pot from a PC battle. With such a high potential isk figure I would argue it would seem more fair to have a lower play payment to bring on your services. Yes, there is greater risk, but there is also greater reward. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 379	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:06:00 - [27] - Quote If I am the one in the box who fights to withdraw funds, it'll work like this. Payment is split between the highest WP earner in the match and the highest killer. However, I am only able to pay people with what goes into the wallet from taxes so that means if there are no players from XERCC in the PC battle, outside players do not receive a prize pot, only the normal winnings for a PC match. That is why I am asking ringers to join XERCC if they want to fuel a much greater pot. A normal PC match will put down approx. 40 to 45 million into the corp wallet with 95% tax if all players are from the same corp. If however, the one ringer is from outside of the corp and dominates the match with WP or Kills I will still award that player the prize for their merits. Again another player tied to those fighting may beat me to the withdraw button, thus nullifying the prize sent to the top WP and Kills earner. I am offering this system as a mean to bolster competitive meta gaming in Dust 514. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]