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Aqua-Regia 553	Posted - 2013.11.12 04:59:00 - [1] - Quote So is the Starter Pack next on CCP hit list of removing all BPO from the market? GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 354	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:04:00 - [2] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: So is the Starter Pack next on CCP hit list of removing all BPO from the market? Milita BPO's are the most pointless thing to remove. shrug Doesn't matter if they will or won't. It's just a basic gun that will have no impact on the economy whatsoever. You already have one on any of your starter fits. It just has a different name. If you can read this, it means you are reading.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 501	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:08:00 - [3] - Quote Exile assault rifles aren't militia-grade; they have a full 60 round magazine. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
HELLO - LATER Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:14:00 - [4] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: So is the Starter Pack next on CCP hit list of removing all BPO from the market? Milita BPO's are the most pointless thing to remove. shrug Doesn't matter if they will or won't. It's just a basic gun that will have no impact on the economy whatsoever. You already have one on any of your starter fits. It just has a different name. Sad you must be one of the 80% randoms that know jack about this game. Milita BPO's LOL You do know most player used starter-fit right.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1045	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:18:00 - [5] - Quote Once player market comes out i will be selling exile AR (pre-order now)! My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5051	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:37:00 - [6] - Quote I don't see them ever being removed. Period. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2088	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:52:00 - [7] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: Once player market comes out i will be selling exile AR (pre-order now)! You'll be lucky to get a few million for them once you see how many will be available. No.
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 306	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:04:00 - [8] - Quote Yes, but no the way you think it should be. The Starter pack should have four flavors - one for each race, for at least a month. Then I would be able to have my BPO RR. !!!!!YES!!!!!!
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 355	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:34:00 - [9] - Quote HELLO - LATER wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: So is the Starter Pack next on CCP hit list of removing all BPO from the market? Milita BPO's are the most pointless thing to remove. shrug Doesn't matter if they will or won't. It's just a basic gun that will have no impact on the economy whatsoever. You already have one on any of your starter fits. It just has a different name. Sad you must be one of the 80% randoms that know jack about this game. Milita BPO's LOL You do know most player used starter-fit right. What you just wrote does not make any sense in any order that you read it. Were you suggesting that an "extended clip" actually changed the overall DPS and functionality of the gun somehow? Or were you trying to say the weapon was Standard level, but couldn't figure out how to write such a simple concept? Do putting clown faces on your posts make you feel more ferocious or something? Edit: I also notice that this is your FIRST post on these forums and already you're making baseless accusations about experience. If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 884	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:02:00 - [10] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: What you just wrote does not make any sense in any order that you read it. Were you suggesting that an "extended clip" actually changed the overall DPS and functionality of the gun somehow? Or were you trying to say the weapon was Standard level, but couldn't figure out how to write such a simple concept? Do putting clown faces on your posts make you feel more ferocious or something? Edit: I also notice that this is your FIRST post on these forums and already you're making baseless accusations about experience. He caught you being a newbie, just take the fall like a man and learn from the experience.

Jeremiah ambromot Pro Hic Immortalis 43	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:05:00 - [11] - Quote Most mlt items are equal to there std version other than pg CPU. Some of the "special" bpos are not exactly the same such as toxin smg and exile ar as they both have extended clips.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4903	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:09:00 - [12] - Quote Jeremiah ambromot wrote: Most mlt items are equal to there std version other than pg CPU. Some of the "special" bpos are not exactly the same such as toxin smg and exile ar as they both have extended clips. Neither has an extended clip compared to the standard version - they are both equal. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 355	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:18:00 - [13] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: What you just wrote does not make any sense in any order that you read it. Were you suggesting that an "extended clip" actually changed the overall DPS and functionality of the gun somehow? Or were you trying to say the weapon was Standard level, but couldn't figure out how to write such a simple concept? Do putting clown faces on your posts make you feel more ferocious or something? Edit: I also notice that this is your FIRST post on these forums and already you're making baseless accusations about experience. He caught you being a newbie, just take the fall like a man and learn from the experience. So in other words you're claiming you could recite every BPO, their stats, and relative Equipment levels without looking at an information list? Or are you just saying that because he's your alt, and you're trying to make it's ranting look better? If you can read this, it means you are reading.
dustwaffle Xer Cloud Consortium 652	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:35:00 - [14] - Quote Fail damage control
Rei Shepard Spectre II 898	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:38:00 - [15] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: So is the Starter Pack next on CCP hit list of removing all BPO from the market? I really dont get it why CCP is so up in the BPO removal rage, when the equipment is Standard and saves the guy 1-2k isk while the payout is 200-400k isk. Idd be really pissed if they lock all my BPO's or Delete them when the player market comes around, i mean its not like i can use the Raven, Dragonfly, Dren & Templar, Exciles all at the same time. Though at maxed out skills you can fit some decent stuff to the suits, like a couple of complex mods with standard guns, but then my fit costs 12k instead of 15k ....you save a whooping 3k. I dont get it why the economy cant survive savings of 3k per person per match. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 885	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:50:00 - [16] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: So in other words you're claiming you could recite every BPO, their stats, and relative Equipment levels without looking at an information list? Or are you just saying that because he's your alt, and you're trying to make it's ranting look better? ~~~ telling a 7 year EVE veteran he doesn't know how to handle stat comparisons ~~~ Rei Shepard wrote: I really dont get it why CCP is so up in the BPO removal rage, when the equipment is Standard and saves the guy 1-2k isk while the payout is 200-400k isk. As always, it's all about sinks and faucets. While normal equipment bought on the market are ISK sinks, BPO's act as ISK faucets instead of being just 'free'. This is due to the ISK reward being based on the cost of the enemy equipment destroyed and BPO derived items have an actual price.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 898	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:59:00 - [17] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: So in other words you're claiming you could recite every BPO, their stats, and relative Equipment levels without looking at an information list? Or are you just saying that because he's your alt, and you're trying to make it's ranting look better? ~~~ telling a 7 year EVE veteran he doesn't know how to handle stat comparisons ~~~ Rei Shepard wrote: I really dont get it why CCP is so up in the BPO removal rage, when the equipment is Standard and saves the guy 1-2k isk while the payout is 200-400k isk. As always, it's all about sinks and faucets. While normal equipment bought on the market are ISK sinks, BPO's act as ISK faucets instead of being just 'free'. This is due to the ISK reward being based on the cost of the enemy equipment destroyed and BPO derived items have an actual price. You only get a percentage of the ISK destroyed part so even if you kill 40 people in BPO fits is still being negated by killing one guy in his 200+k proto suit. the only reason ccp wants to ditch the BPO's is because selling depletable copies of suits like the new packs is much more profitable to them, first of all a person can only use 2-3 suits of the pack anyways and it helps suckering the poor guy into spending points to use the other suits aswell in his 2700 total suit pack. I mean if everyone ran Disposable 99 euro AUR suits sets, thats not going to be an ISK Faucet ? Oh wait ....it is .......and those suits are of a higher value then the BPO ones (advanced and some proto).... When they make money, they dont seem to think a whole lot about the economy do they ? Same with the BPO's, let us all grab the BPO's because hey ..YOU CAN SELL THEM AFTERWARDS WHEN THE MARKET OPENS UP!!!!!!!!!! Now it looks like they are gonna be LOOSING money over people selling their BPO's ...and instantly its an issue .... I rest my case... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 355	Posted - 2013.11.12 08:03:00 - [18] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: So in other words you're claiming you could recite every BPO, their stats, and relative Equipment levels without looking at an information list? Or are you just saying that because he's your alt, and you're trying to make it's ranting look better? ~~~ telling a 7 year EVE veteran he doesn't know how to handle stat comparisons ~~~ I'm saying, you're criticizing someone for not knowing something that you, yourself, do not know. If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 441	Posted - 2013.11.12 08:03:00 - [19] - Quote Yeah, I dont get why they are removing BPOs now. Its not like were gonna have a merged economy next week. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 302	Posted - 2013.11.12 08:09:00 - [20] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Yes, but no the way you think it should be. The Starter pack should have four flavors - one for each race, for at least a month. Then I would be able to have my BPO RR. !!!!!YES!!!!!! Haha. Now that would be an awesome xmas present from CCP to coincide with 1.7 :D I'd get one of each pack just for vanity fits. Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó

Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 885	Posted - 2013.11.12 08:24:00 - [21] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Rasatsu wrote: ~~~ telling a 7 year EVE veteran he doesn't know how to handle stat comparisons ~~~ I'm saying, you're criticizing someone for not knowing something that you, yourself, do not know. I knew, you didn't. Hell, it's basically how most MIL differ from STD; same stats except more ammo and less fitting, and the odd equipment-specific stat.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 689	Posted - 2013.11.12 08:29:00 - [22] - Quote I'm surprised that they haven't removed the starter pack already, to be honest. I ran across it a day or two ago in the AUR part of the market and was definitely not expecting it.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 885	Posted - 2013.11.12 08:41:00 - [23] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: You only get a percentage of the ISK destroyed part so even if you kill 40 people in BPO fits is still being negated by killing one guy in his 200+k proto suit. the only reason ccp wants to ditch the BPO's is because selling depletable copies of suits like the new packs is much more profitable to them, first of all a person can only use 2-3 suits of the pack anyways and it helps suckering the poor guy into spending points to use the other suits aswell in his 2700 total suit pack. I mean if everyone ran Disposable 99 euro AUR suits sets, thats not going to be an ISK Faucet ? Oh wait ....it is .......and those suits are of a higher value then the BPO ones (advanced and some proto).... When they make money, they dont seem to think a whole lot about the economy do they ? Same with the BPO's, let us all grab the BPO's because hey ..YOU CAN SELL THEM AFTERWARDS WHEN THE MARKET OPENS UP!!!!!!!!!! Now it looks like they are gonna be LOOSING money over people selling their BPO's ...and instantly its an issue .... I rest my case... Don't rest too much, cause you're arguing with someone who's been doing speculative investment in EVE for years in the range of a few hundred billion ISK. This is something I've studied for quite a while, and do take notes when CCP says things... They did run the numbers and found that BPO items (which includes militia versions) were an issue. And yes, they do think a lot about the economy. Over the years they have thanks to hiring a real economist produced tools to do highly detailed analysis of the in-game economies in EVE, and they have a guy responsible for maintaining the health of the DUST economy. AUR suits is what one would have to consider a necessary faucet, one we just have to live with. Now the proto suit example; if one guy dies for every 40 BPO fitted, that still means you have one guy running in proto and half a dozen running around being faucets instead of sinks. This means that those players are lost as potential sinks. Also; I drop around 3-4 STD BPO LAVs... That's got to be a rather nice faucet.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 324	Posted - 2013.11.12 09:18:00 - [24] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: What you just wrote does not make any sense in any order that you read it. Were you suggesting that an "extended clip" actually changed the overall DPS and functionality of the gun somehow? Or were you trying to say the weapon was Standard level, but couldn't figure out how to write such a simple concept? Do putting clown faces on your posts make you feel more ferocious or something? Edit: I also notice that this is your FIRST post on these forums and already you're making baseless accusations about experience. Are you new to this game? Exile / Toxin / STD / MLT Assault Rifles outdamage GEKs right now. So it is not only cheaper to run a Toxin, but also more effective. Maybe you should add clown faces to your posts, so at least they are funny.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 355	Posted - 2013.11.12 09:40:00 - [25] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Rasatsu wrote: ~~~ telling a 7 year EVE veteran he doesn't know how to handle stat comparisons ~~~ I'm saying, you're criticizing someone for not knowing something that you, yourself, do not know. I knew, you didn't. Hell, it's basically how most MIL differ from STD; same stats except more ammo and less fitting, and the odd equipment-specific stat. Judging by the way you assumed all BPO's would be standard level... I must push this List of BPO's All of the SkinWeave suits Militia Armor Plates Militia Armor Repairer Militia Cardiac Regulator Militia Cardiac Stimulant Militia CPU Upgrade Militia Kinetic Catalyzer Militia PG Upgrade Militia Profile Dampener Militia Profile Dampener Militia Shield Regulator ... etc for all modules Are you seeing a pattern in the BPO's now? Aside from the few that are STD such as the sniper BPO and the LAV BPOs that were $50 each, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet to assume any BPO you encounter is Milita grade. Rasatsu wrote: caught you being a newbie, just take the fall like a man and learn from the experience. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10152	Posted - 2013.11.12 09:50:00 - [26] - Quote As far as I know all BPOs are getting removed from the market. It would not surprise me if they disable their ability to supply fits for combat without a game play element first into it in the further future. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 507	Posted - 2013.11.12 10:29:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: As far as I know all BPOs are getting removed from the market. It would not surprise me if they disable their ability to supply fits for combat without a game play element first into it in the further future. I asked SaberWing to see if he can scrounge up a dev blog about blueprints, so hopefully we'll get some guidance on what's planned. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 885	Posted - 2013.11.12 10:35:00 - [28] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Rasatsu wrote: ~~~ telling a 7 year EVE veteran he doesn't know how to handle stat comparisons ~~~ I'm saying, you're criticizing someone for not knowing something that you, yourself, do not know. I knew, you didn't. Hell, it's basically how most MIL differ from STD; same stats except more ammo and less fitting, and the odd equipment-specific stat. Judging by the way you assumed all BPO's would be standard level... ... Are you seeing a pattern in the BPO's now? Aside from the few that are STD such as the sniper BPO and the LAV BPOs that were $50 each, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet to assume any BPO you encounter is Milita grade. I went back and highlighted where I said BPO in the above post. See it? Perhaps you need some reading glasses? Or new brain.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 929	Posted - 2013.11.12 10:59:00 - [29] - Quote I would not mind if they will transform my BPO in something that i use to create an amount of other consumable items for a cheaper price than the market. So instead of paying 1500 isk for a standard AR i will pay 500 isk for my homemade exile copy. In other word turning BPO in a permanent discount on a item. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 355	Posted - 2013.11.12 11:25:00 - [30] - Quote You gloated over not knowing 100% of the details about all BPO's, and made a directly implied assumption that it was obvious the said BPO was STD without having to have purchased or used it. Rasatsu wrote: He caught you being a newbie, just take the fall like a man and learn from the experience. I asked you to provide 100% of the details of all BPO's without looking at a chart, as that was the only thing that could have made your gloating valid. Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: So in other words you're claiming you could recite every BPO, their stats, and relative Equipment levels without looking at an information list? Or are you just saying that because he's your alt, and you're trying to make it's ranting look better? You replied "I don't have to because I'm an EvE vetran so THERE!" Rasatsu wrote: ~~~ telling a 7 year EVE veteran he doesn't know how to handle stat comparisons ~~~ I replied that because you cannot recite all of the BPO's and their stats, you have no right to gloat at others for mistaking a BPO and it's equipment rank. Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: I'm saying, you're criticizing someone for not knowing something that you, yourself, do not know. You then started talking at a tangent about the difference between Militia and STD suits, which was not the subject of the conversation. The subject being a mismatch of information due to the abundance of current leads. Rasatsu wrote: I knew, you didn't. Hell, it's basically how most MIL differ from STD; same stats except more ammo and less fitting, and the odd equipment-specific stat. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 355	Posted - 2013.11.12 11:26:00 - [31] - Quote I then listed the current leads that would promote conclusions regarding the odds that a referred BPO was Militia or STD. Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Judging by the way you assumed all BPO's would be standard level... I must push this List of BPO's All of the SkinWeave suits Militia Armor Plates Militia Armor Repairer Militia Cardiac Regulator Militia Cardiac Stimulant Militia CPU Upgrade Militia Kinetic Catalyzer Militia PG Upgrade Militia Profile Dampener Militia Profile Dampener Militia Shield Regulator ... etc for all modules Are you seeing a pattern in the BPO's now? Aside from the few that are STD such as the sniper BPO and the LAV BPOs that were $50 each, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet to assume any BPO you encounter is Milita grade. Rasatsu wrote: caught you being a newbie, just take the fall like a man and learn from the experience. You then claimed to Highlight something, and launch insults from a corner while still avoiding reciting all of the BPO's from memory. Rasatsu wrote: I went back and highlighted where I said BPO in the above post. See it? Perhaps you need some reading glasses? Or new brain. Frankly at this point, if you listed anything I'd have to say you used an online source for it. It's far too deep into this conversation for you to back out of your claim now. Your entire accusation set was based around the contingency that I did not know every BPO's rank and abilities, then you proved that you did not know such either, thus invalidating your entire rebuttal. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 886	Posted - 2013.11.12 11:48:00 - [32] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: You then claimed to Highlight something, and launch insults from a corner while still avoiding reciting all of the BPO's from memory. Too thick, too thick, mission control I think we have a full ... on our hands and he is about to blow! Meta levels~
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1579	Posted - 2013.11.12 12:34:00 - [33] - Quote What's better, toxin AR or exile AR.? "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 929	Posted - 2013.11.12 12:37:00 - [34] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: What's better, toxin AR or exile AR.? What color do you prefer? Idk the color of toxin, i like the desertic color of my exile. "Just another piece of duct tape" Some love for gunners


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