DUST Search - Let's talk dust: Minmatar scout useless?

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Ludvig Enraga wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

It's a combination of personal preference and playstyle.

If you play fast, aggressive, and that "By-the-seat-of-your-pants" feeling, then go Minmatar. The suit is an adrenaline rush, due to most builds (REAL scout builds, not armor tanked mockeries of med frames) having only around 300 eHP total, with about 200ish in shields. It allows you to quickly tank some damage, get the kill, and then run like hell away. Shields rep in no time, so then it's right back into the fray. It's made to be a hit and run suit, quickly getting into the action, assassinating one or two targets and getting the hell out of there (KILL THE LOGI FIRST). However, with the death of speed tanking, and the terrible Nova Knives, this suit has lost it's main calling cards.

If you play carefully, tactically, and love having amazing situational awareness, then go Gallente. With a higher eHP ceiling, and an insane passive scan, you can survive multiple engagements. Use that scan to know what you are getting into. Since you can see around that corner (without tipping them off to it), try to make your engagements on terms you can win. Two guys around a corner, with one with his back to you? Take em both out. Got a squad all about to round the corner? Set a trap or get the hell out. It's made to infiltrate the enemies lines, and to carefully maneuver around targets to eliminate HVT's and to capture unattended points.

For the record, I have been a Minmatar Scout since 1.1.

Switching to Gallente over the 3x SP event. That's my current opinion on the Minmatar Scout.

LOL at "quickly tanking some damage with 200 hp shield". 'Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as in you probably tried basic light frame for a couple of days and 'formed an opinion'.

Works if you start the engagement with an enemies back turned. Might not work for an assault, but a scout needs to use different tactics and a stealthy mindset to succeed.

Also, LINK

13k kills in. Member in good standing. Do your research before you sound like in ignorant idiot.

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Llast 326 An Arkhos 438	Posted - 2013.11.14 04:00:00 - [31] - Quote I believe any and all things that cause large explosions count I am apparently not the only fool
DoubleTap420 Pradox One Proficiency V. 107	Posted - 2013.11.14 04:20:00 - [32] - Quote I beast in my Minnie suit I prefer it over the gal. So no it is not useless. Long live scouts! We will prevail one day. Minja time...cant touch this! I make the Minnie. The Minnie dont make me.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 642	Posted - 2013.11.14 04:59:00 - [33] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: It's a combination of personal preference and playstyle. If you play fast, aggressive, and that "By-the-seat-of-your-pants" feeling, then go Minmatar. The suit is an adrenaline rush, due to most builds (REAL scout builds, not armor tanked mockeries of med frames) having only around 300 eHP total, with about 200ish in shields. It allows you to quickly tank some damage, get the kill, and then run like hell away. Shields rep in no time, so then it's right back into the fray. It's made to be a hit and run suit, quickly getting into the action, assassinating one or two targets and getting the hell out of there (KILL THE LOGI FIRST). However, with the death of speed tanking, and the terrible Nova Knives, this suit has lost it's main calling cards. If you play carefully, tactically, and love having amazing situational awareness, then go Gallente. With a higher eHP ceiling, and an insane passive scan, you can survive multiple engagements. Use that scan to know what you are getting into. Since you can see around that corner (without tipping them off to it), try to make your engagements on terms you can win. Two guys around a corner, with one with his back to you? Take em both out. Got a squad all about to round the corner? Set a trap or get the hell out. It's made to infiltrate the enemies lines, and to carefully maneuver around targets to eliminate HVT's and to capture unattended points. For the record, I have been a Minmatar Scout since 1.1. Switching to Gallente over the 3x SP event. That's my current opinion on the Minmatar Scout. LOL at "quickly tanking some damage with 200 hp shield". 'Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as in you probably tried basic light frame for a couple of days and 'formed an opinion'. Works if you start the engagement with an enemies back turned. Might not work for an assault, but a scout needs to use different tactics and a stealthy mindset to succeed. Also, LINK 13k kills in. Member in good standing. Do your research before you sound like in ignorant idiot. Dude, do you really think that you are so important for me to do 'my research' on you? You said something that was obviously ignorant or at least to me it seems that it was and I called you on that. Yes, now I do see that you probably play scout more than I originally thought but it still leaves me puzzled how anyone can tank anything with 200 hp shield.
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 38	Posted - 2013.11.14 05:27:00 - [34] - Quote It's always had a major flaw! And that's no passive armor rep. A gallente might not have a lot of shields but everyone that has brains puts a rep on it, so they can still, stealth, speed, brick tank, range, cadiacs whatever. Shields snap back , armor doesn't but because all the HP on gallente is armor your gonna run a rep, so if your running 160 shields an 300 armor an u get knocked to 40 armor in 4 seconds you have 200 HP , with armor regenerating while your shields cover the wound. With a minmatar all your speed or stealth or equipment is lost due to being aware that a hard encounter requires you to find a HP buff heal to your armor via supply depot switch , logi, or losing your equip to a compact nano. You play minmatar till you die, gallente is self sufficient , it needs no help, an a scouts job usually involves being alone, which also make the range bonus a better choice to go gallente.. I dropped my proto ninja for the gallente, 1.2 hurt the minmatar hard, extremely good players can use it but it's deffinetly not better IMO . I love an hate it, when I first used it I did awesome, but in today's game it needs love, at least a 1 HP like all minmatar suits and you would see more success , the ttk either chips your armor an leaves you wounded with weak an easy to drop shields, second encounter death. Scout need to regen both type of HP constantly to survive an be of any use.
Cass Caul 282	Posted - 2013.11.14 05:48:00 - [35] - Quote From May 6th, I never liked the Minmatar Scout. 3 high and 2 low just don't do well. The Gallente can Speed tank better than the Minmatar and do it with more HP. Ever since you stopped being able to nova knife tanks to death, nova knives have been lame. The Scout suit used to have the highest Melee damage of any suit. Now it has the lowest. B-series>A-series>heavy suits> medium suits Minmatar scouts don't even get scan bonus. That means you are reliant on the active scanner to find hidden targets. You know what goes along with stealth really well? a message on everyone's screen saying you're near them. Optional Respect came and I swapped that Minmatar Scout character for a Minmatar Logi character. Tht ack bonus looked so nice... little did I know that the same problem that exists between Gallente and Minmatar Scout also exist between Gallente and Minmatar Logistics suits. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 39	Posted - 2013.11.14 12:13:00 - [36] - Quote I chose gallente on may 6, then seen how awesome the minmatar moved, month later they changed all the suits, then everything just kept changing making it the most forgotten weakest suit in the game, good thing I got good with that , now that I have gone gallente my game is stronger, I do better
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 842	Posted - 2013.11.14 22:40:00 - [37] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Dude, do you really think that you are so important for me to do 'my research' on you? You said something that was obviously ignorant or at least to me it seems that it was and I called you on that. Yes, now I do see that you probably play scout more than I originally thought but it still leaves me puzzled how anyone can tank anything with 200 hp shield. It's not that I think I am good enough to do research on. It's a simple matter of avoiding looking foolish. BEFORE calling someone out on anything, do a quick bit of research. It only takes a click or two, and by quickly skimming through a bit of comment history, you can confirm or deny your own suspicions. Thanks for staying civil though. Not many people do that. Also, as to tanking the damage. Bad wording on my part. Think of it more as surviving the damage. When you flank someone, they have a small window of opportunity to deal damage. You want to deal enough damage before they can start hitting you so that you can kill them before they break through your shield "Tank". 200 shields is enough for my minnie to quickly suprise one or two people and survive. Then you run away and wait for that amazing shield regen to kick in. It's hard for some players to do, because it requires you to KNOW which targets you can quickly kill before they break your shields. You see that logi with 1000eHP? You better start the engagement off with a grenade, or he will kill you for sure when he turns around. It's tactics and the mindset which make the suit. If you wanna talk about this in more detail, send me mail in game. I would happily squad up with you. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 644	Posted - 2013.11.15 04:24:00 - [38] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Dude, do you really think that you are so important for me to do 'my research' on you? You said something that was obviously ignorant or at least to me it seems that it was and I called you on that. Yes, now I do see that you probably play scout more than I originally thought but it still leaves me puzzled how anyone can tank anything with 200 hp shield. It's not that I think I am good enough to do research on. It's a simple matter of avoiding looking foolish. BEFORE calling someone out on anything, do a quick bit of research. It only takes a click or two, and by quickly skimming through a bit of comment history, you can confirm or deny your own suspicions. Thanks for staying civil though. Not many people do that. Also, as to tanking the damage. Bad wording on my part. Think of it more as surviving the damage. When you flank someone, they have a small window of opportunity to deal damage. You want to deal enough damage before they can start hitting you so that you can kill them before they break through your shield "Tank". 200 shields is enough for my minnie to quickly suprise one or two people and survive. Then you run away and wait for that amazing shield regen to kick in. It's hard for some players to do, because it requires you to KNOW which targets you can quickly kill before they break your shields. You see that logi with 1000eHP? You better start the engagement off with a grenade, or he will kill you for sure when he turns around. It's tactics and the mindset which make the suit. If you wanna talk about this in more detail, send me mail in game. I would happily squad up with you. I agree with what you are saying.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 456	Posted - 2013.11.15 04:30:00 - [39] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Dude, do you really think that you are so important for me to do 'my research' on you? You said something that was obviously ignorant or at least to me it seems that it was and I called you on that. Yes, now I do see that you probably play scout more than I originally thought but it still leaves me puzzled how anyone can tank anything with 200 hp shield. It's not that I think I am good enough to do research on. It's a simple matter of avoiding looking foolish. BEFORE calling someone out on anything, do a quick bit of research. It only takes a click or two, and by quickly skimming through a bit of comment history, you can confirm or deny your own suspicions. Thanks for staying civil though. Not many people do that. Also, as to tanking the damage. Bad wording on my part. Think of it more as surviving the damage. When you flank someone, they have a small window of opportunity to deal damage. You want to deal enough damage before they can start hitting you so that you can kill them before they break through your shield "Tank". 200 shields is enough for my minnie to quickly suprise one or two people and survive. Then you run away and wait for that amazing shield regen to kick in. It's hard for some players to do, because it requires you to KNOW which targets you can quickly kill before they break your shields. You see that logi with 1000eHP? You better start the engagement off with a grenade, or he will kill you for sure when he turns around. It's tactics and the mindset which make the suit. If you wanna talk about this in more detail, send me mail in game. I would happily squad up with you. I agree with what you are saying. Just going to throw in that you two just made me smile YAY for communication I am apparently not the only fool
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. 1954	Posted - 2013.11.15 06:03:00 - [40] - Quote I have a friend swim, who tried running up on a minja sniper. He sensed SWIM with his minja powers. He pulled out NOVA KNIVES and proceeded to run around SWIM in circles at light speed. SWIM got hurt. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3



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