DUST Search - Let's talk dust: Minmatar scout useless?

Ludvig Enraga wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

It's a combination of personal preference and playstyle.

If you play fast, aggressive, and that "By-the-seat-of-your-pants" feeling, then go Minmatar. The suit is an adrenaline rush, due to most builds (REAL scout builds, not armor tanked mockeries of med frames) having only around 300 eHP total, with about 200ish in shields. It allows you to quickly tank some damage, get the kill, and then run like hell away. Shields rep in no time, so then it's right back into the fray. It's made to be a hit and run suit, quickly getting into the action, assassinating one or two targets and getting the hell out of there (KILL THE LOGI FIRST). However, with the death of speed tanking, and the terrible Nova Knives, this suit has lost it's main calling cards.

If you play carefully, tactically, and love having amazing situational awareness, then go Gallente. With a higher eHP ceiling, and an insane passive scan, you can survive multiple engagements. Use that scan to know what you are getting into. Since you can see around that corner (without tipping them off to it), try to make your engagements on terms you can win. Two guys around a corner, with one with his back to you? Take em both out. Got a squad all about to round the corner? Set a trap or get the hell out. It's made to infiltrate the enemies lines, and to carefully maneuver around targets to eliminate HVT's and to capture unattended points.

For the record, I have been a Minmatar Scout since 1.1.

Switching to Gallente over the 3x SP event. That's my current opinion on the Minmatar Scout.

LOL at "quickly tanking some damage with 200 hp shield". Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as in you probably tried basic light frame for a couple of days and 'formed an opinion'.

"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2120	Posted - 2013.11.12 02:57:00 - [1] - Quote Been seeing this one alot lately, so, is or is not? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4085	Posted - 2013.11.12 02:59:00 - [2] - Quote No....watch Pyrex make that suit sing....with explosions....and rust...and grubby stuff like that. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Llast 326 An Arkhos 415	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:02:00 - [3] - Quote Honestly I do better with my Minmatar scout than with my Gal, i believe it's the base speed, not sprint but base. I am that Some Margin of Error
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4087	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:09:00 - [4] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Honestly I do better with my Minmatar scout than with my Gal, i believe it's the base speed, not sprint but base. Not well enough.... I want to see the Antimance fit! "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2087	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:14:00 - [5] - Quote People just don't know how to use shields in this game. Minny scout is awesome. No.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 880	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:20:00 - [6] - Quote The Minmatar Scout bonuses are fine. Besides, we all know NK hit detection is perfect, and everyone uses melee attacks while using scouts There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2493	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:28:00 - [7] - Quote It's pretty good for brick tanking. I tank an enhanced shield extender, enhanced plate and enhanced reactive plate. I do pretty good. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR DROID EXILES 528	Posted - 2013.11.12 04:04:00 - [8] - Quote i say its far from useless. i use it all the time, even more so than my gallente scout. my minmatar scout tanks about 340 shields and 74 armor and runs at 10.38 m/s. it is definitely a VERY viable fit. my Gallente Scout (as of recently) is sporting about 150 Shields and 600+ armor. both are good for different situations, and i use them accordingly. How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 416	Posted - 2013.11.12 04:40:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Honestly I do better with my Minmatar scout than with my Gal, i believe it's the base speed, not sprint but base. Not well enough.... I want to see the Antimance fit! In due time sir Does this mean you are back to playing a bit? I am that Some Margin of Error
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1204	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:08:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It's pretty good for brick tanking. I tank an enhanced shield extender, enhanced plate and enhanced reactive plate. I do pretty good. I love the brick tanked ar/flaylok minnie scout. Non-stop action.

Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 924	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:10:00 - [11] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It's pretty good for brick tanking. I tank an enhanced shield extender, enhanced plate and enhanced reactive plate. I do pretty well. An enhanced shield extender?! You fool! That module is a waste of space since it is barely better than a basic. Also please note the grammatical correction to the last sentence of your post. People can do well at something but can never do good at anything. In the world of DUST/ The words are all in haiku/ Tweets are just too long
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 332	Posted - 2013.11.12 05:17:00 - [12] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Been seeing this one alot lately, so, is or is not? Im not going to say useless, but the Gallente Scout definitely out performs the Minnie currently in the last two builds.
Joel II X AHPA 133	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:08:00 - [13] - Quote Both scouts have their strengths. My friend loves knifing so he went to minnie, while I prefer the enhanced scan range thingy. I haven't noticed any speed differences yet.
Cosgar ParagonX 7702	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:16:00 - [14] - Quote Minmatar scout died when speed tanking died. Both scouts are almost near useless, but the Gallente looks to be better by comparison since you can stack plates for some extra survivability thanks to armor > shield imbalance. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2088	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:19:00 - [15] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It's pretty good for brick tanking. I tank an enhanced shield extender, enhanced plate and enhanced reactive plate. I do pretty well. An enhanced shield extender?! You fool! That module is a waste of space since it is barely better than a basic. Also please note the grammatical correction to the last sentence of your post. People can do well at something but can never do good at anything. You were so close to getting a like. No.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 816	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:39:00 - [16] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: It's pretty good for brick tanking. I tank an enhanced shield extender, enhanced plate and enhanced reactive plate. I do pretty well. An enhanced shield extender?! You fool! That module is a waste of space since it is barely better than a basic. Also please note the grammatical correction to the last sentence of your post. People can do well at something but can never do good at anything. You were so close to getting a like. I'll give him a like for that "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 816	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:47:00 - [17] - Quote It's a combination of personal preference and playstyle. If you play fast, aggressive, and that "By-the-seat-of-your-pants" feeling, then go Minmatar. The suit is an adrenaline rush, due to most builds (REAL scout builds, not armor tanked mockeries of med frames) having only around 300 eHP total, with about 200ish in shields. It allows you to quickly tank some damage, get the kill, and then run like hell away. Shields rep in no time, so then it's right back into the fray. It's made to be a hit and run suit, quickly getting into the action, assassinating one or two targets and getting the hell out of there (KILL THE LOGI FIRST). However, with the death of speed tanking, and the terrible Nova Knives, this suit has lost it's main calling cards. If you play carefully, tactically, and love having amazing situational awareness, then go Gallente. With a higher eHP ceiling, and an insane passive scan, you can survive multiple engagements. Use that scan to know what you are getting into. Since you can see around that corner (without tipping them off to it), try to make your engagements on terms you can win. Two guys around a corner, with one with his back to you? Take em both out. Got a squad all about to round the corner? Set a trap or get the hell out. It's made to infiltrate the enemies lines, and to carefully maneuver around targets to eliminate HVT's and to capture unattended points. For the record, I have been a Minmatar Scout since 1.1. Switching to Gallente over the 3x SP event. That's my current opinion on the Minmatar Scout. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 315	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:48:00 - [18] - Quote If you focus on hunting lone soldiers and staying out of large battles it's not too bad. The scout min should have a movement speed bonus and the basic should do the melee damage bonus, while the gallente could use a lower profile bonus for basic suits and higher scan radius for scouts. If they can do something along the lines of that, tweak the scanners, and give either a bonus in fitting costs, or add another low slot to all scouts then I think they'll be a lot more useful and versatile. Also any additions of active modules like cloaking, active profile dampener, or even a jetpack would make scouts much more fun to use. Grimm Grimm! \ Youtube Channel Recruiter Link
GRIM GEAR Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 41	Posted - 2013.11.12 06:49:00 - [19] - Quote It's good what's not to like I mean it could use a cpu buff to be more in line with the gallente scout and of course another low slot would go down well, but hell what do I know what i'm talking about.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 642	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:14:00 - [20] - Quote In squads it's not as terrible anymore after the scan range buff. You are locked in with a complex range amplifier giving you only one extra low slot to play with. I would not say mini scout is useless - now you can get a jump on reddots reasonably well which finally lets you play as a scout and finally gives you a role. It is still a dramatically underpowered suit though when you compare to mid frames. At this point to fix it, I say that you probably need a CPU buff, and def lower scan profile (I still get picked up on actives very easily with scout lv 3 and dampening lv 4) or increase CPU of complex active scanners. More stamina would be reasonable too.

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 642	Posted - 2013.11.12 07:20:00 - [21] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: It's a combination of personal preference and playstyle. If you play fast, aggressive, and that "By-the-seat-of-your-pants" feeling, then go Minmatar. The suit is an adrenaline rush, due to most builds (REAL scout builds, not armor tanked mockeries of med frames) having only around 300 eHP total, with about 200ish in shields. It allows you to quickly tank some damage, get the kill, and then run like hell away. Shields rep in no time, so then it's right back into the fray. It's made to be a hit and run suit, quickly getting into the action, assassinating one or two targets and getting the hell out of there (KILL THE LOGI FIRST). However, with the death of speed tanking, and the terrible Nova Knives, this suit has lost it's main calling cards. If you play carefully, tactically, and love having amazing situational awareness, then go Gallente. With a higher eHP ceiling, and an insane passive scan, you can survive multiple engagements. Use that scan to know what you are getting into. Since you can see around that corner (without tipping them off to it), try to make your engagements on terms you can win. Two guys around a corner, with one with his back to you? Take em both out. Got a squad all about to round the corner? Set a trap or get the hell out. It's made to infiltrate the enemies lines, and to carefully maneuver around targets to eliminate HVT's and to capture unattended points. For the record, I have been a Minmatar Scout since 1.1. Switching to Gallente over the 3x SP event. That's my current opinion on the Minmatar Scout. LOL at "quickly tanking some damage with 200 hp shield". Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as in you probably tried basic light frame for a couple of days and 'formed an opinion'.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2155	Posted - 2013.11.12 14:17:00 - [22] - Quote True Adamance wrote: No....watch Pyrex make that suit sing....with explosions....and rust...and grubby stuff like that. ... CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Posted: Posted: 2013.11.12 12:15 Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1488888#post1488888 Scouts are dead, i know this as i managed to flush my minmatar scout suit down the merc toilet just this morning. The noise it made was one of strange tranquility (as if released from the burden of having to be used)
Snaps Tremor DUST University Ivy League 377	Posted - 2013.11.12 14:24:00 - [23] - Quote The only 'useless' thing in the game would be a gun with no bullets. What people mean is with the death of speed tanking and continued irrelevance of Nova Knives there is no longer anything about the suit that makes it a preferable choice to any other suit in the game. Which sucks a bit if you've pumped your SP into it.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2155	Posted - 2013.11.12 14:34:00 - [24] - Quote Would recommend running an AR or ScR for the time being. * Avoid posting up and swapping blows with non-Scouts. * Approach from behind when possible; get in close (but not too close). * Aim for head / upper torso with initial volley. * If target has time to respond, bounce around hip-firing and let aim-assist finish him off. When flanking high-eHP targets, ARs and ScRs have similar TTK as Shotguns with far fewer drawbacks. Your prey will find no safety in back-pedaling, bunny-hopping, super-strafing. You'll insta-melt low-eHP targets but will likely take damage high-EHP targets (even with a perfect flank). As such, I'd recommend running shields in your Highs. If flanking more than one target or a known dual-tanker, I strongly recommend saying "Hi" with a nade.
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 826	Posted - 2013.11.13 22:17:00 - [25] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: It's a combination of personal preference and playstyle. If you play fast, aggressive, and that "By-the-seat-of-your-pants" feeling, then go Minmatar. The suit is an adrenaline rush, due to most builds (REAL scout builds, not armor tanked mockeries of med frames) having only around 300 eHP total, with about 200ish in shields. It allows you to quickly tank some damage, get the kill, and then run like hell away. Shields rep in no time, so then it's right back into the fray. It's made to be a hit and run suit, quickly getting into the action, assassinating one or two targets and getting the hell out of there (KILL THE LOGI FIRST). However, with the death of speed tanking, and the terrible Nova Knives, this suit has lost it's main calling cards. If you play carefully, tactically, and love having amazing situational awareness, then go Gallente. With a higher eHP ceiling, and an insane passive scan, you can survive multiple engagements. Use that scan to know what you are getting into. Since you can see around that corner (without tipping them off to it), try to make your engagements on terms you can win. Two guys around a corner, with one with his back to you? Take em both out. Got a squad all about to round the corner? Set a trap or get the hell out. It's made to infiltrate the enemies lines, and to carefully maneuver around targets to eliminate HVT's and to capture unattended points. For the record, I have been a Minmatar Scout since 1.1. Switching to Gallente over the 3x SP event. That's my current opinion on the Minmatar Scout. LOL at "quickly tanking some damage with 200 hp shield". Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as in you probably tried basic light frame for a couple of days and 'formed an opinion'. Works if you start the engagement with an enemies back turned. Might not work for an assault, but a scout needs to use different tactics and a stealthy mindset to succeed. Also, LINK 13k kills in. Member in good standing. Do your research before you sound like in ignorant idiot. "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Verek Locusti Closed For Business For All Mankind 12	Posted - 2013.11.14 03:23:00 - [26] - Quote Don't think they're useless, I've found I can still sneak in some kills/uplinks/hacks if I play well, though gal scout does seem better at this point. Waitin' on the knife fix (and whatever "stealth and mobility" buffs we're supposed to be getting in 1.7), having fun running a h2h fit in the meantime.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1696	Posted - 2013.11.14 03:32:00 - [27] - Quote Remoted Sota twice today. He killed me a few times but it felt good to blow his fat ass up. So it's good for that. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1296	Posted - 2013.11.14 03:42:00 - [28] - Quote The MLT speed tanked with a Shotty and a M209 SMG and I can have a 3/1 KDR pretty easily (on the right maps and sockets) just in the last couple of days of just ******* around with it. Cost: <15,000 ISK I can't imagine how fun the Proto suits would be. Cheeseburgers.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2146	Posted - 2013.11.14 03:45:00 - [29] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Remoted Sota twice today. He killed me a few times but it felt good to blow his fat ass up. So it's good for that. I dropped an orbital on him while in a minja suit. Wait dose that even count? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1696	Posted - 2013.11.14 03:47:00 - [30] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Remoted Sota twice today. He killed me a few times but it felt good to blow his fat ass up. So it's good for that. I dropped an orbital on him while in a minja suit. Wait dose that even count? I'll count it if mine counts. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.



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