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Bazookah Tooth
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:51:00 -
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This is probably qq'ing but oh well, cause I just got the proto basic heavy and got demolished. Stacked complex armor plates and damage mods with a proto hmg and still AR just peel back my health like a boiled egg.
Someone on the forums mentioned a heavy user shouldn't complain unless they used that build and still felt the small ttk. With every proto caldari and AR user aiming from super far distance, even in cqc where I choose to stay there is just no hope.
Sniff, I miss being able to play with heavy 
-Bazookah Tooth
HMG for Life
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
854
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:52:00 -
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do you have shields and armour to level 5? you're also going to need electronics and engineering level 5 to be even viable  |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7497
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:52:00 -
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I somehow get the feeling that proto SMGs are better than proto HMGs in almost every way.
Fan Fiction
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Bazookah Tooth
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:55:00 -
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low genius wrote:do you have shields and armour to level 5? you're also going to need electronics and engineering level 5 to be even viable
Of course I have shield and armor lvl 5. I have a 1600 ehp! Electronic and engineering 3 for now
-Bazookah Tooth
HMG for Life
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God Hates Lags
Red Star.
EoN.
309
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I somehow get the feeling that proto SMGs are better than proto HMGs in almost every way.
No. Militia SMG's are better than Proto HMG in almost every way but clip capacity.
Doubles ISK
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:30:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I somehow get the feeling that proto SMGs are better than proto HMGs in almost every way.
Sorry to be a broken record whenever I see this, but this isn't true.
I have maxed skills in both, and I rely on them both near every game. SMG isn't better than HMG in any way. SMG is good, it's really good, but for a decent player there is no situation where it has an advantage on the bigger gunGǪ beside reload time.
As crap is its dispersion is, HMG puts better damage on target at 30-50m. I've done enough direct testing to stop swapping weapons for ranged shots.
As for the OPGǪ yeah, proto fattie is tough to justify. You'll live through more one-on-ones, but you die to the next guy just as easily. I only whip it out when I'm on a solid team or care to blow through isk in a clincher.
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:37:00 -
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Without an LLAV to ferry you around and place you right next to people - the HMG is pretty hard to use. I just threw down 2mil SP into SCR on my heavy suit... and I'm killing people way easier. I fear the AR is even better then the SCR too.
HMG just... doesn't fulfill it's role when you have a huge hit box and everyone can just out range you. |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
313
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:49:00 -
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The HMG is a goddamn joke. "We feel the the HMG is in a good place"
Bullsh*t, it should be a medium to long range weapon like it is in real life and in every other game with heavy machine guns.
Its up to the developers to balance it out so it doesnt get too OP, make it have charge up time and/or only able to fire it when its stationary. What do they do?
They nerf the poop out it, and give it one of the shortest range in the game. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1682
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:53:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I somehow get the feeling that proto SMGs are better than proto HMGs in almost every way.
Proto SMGs on a minnie assault is like a baby HMG :D
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Rusty Shallows
487
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:23:00 -
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Bazookah Tooth wrote:Why Do I HMG?
For the same reason others put up with it.
- Doom nostalgia
- Very Manly looking
- Under the misguided assumption the Dev's are going to do something
If the animation & sound effects were changed to a Fatty holding Street Organ Grinder with a dancing monkey throwing bananas then more of us would come to our senses.
"She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
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Bazookah Tooth
NECROM0NGERS
355
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:26:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Bazookah Tooth wrote:Why Do I HMG? For the same reason others put up with it.
- Doom nostalgia
- Very Manly looking
- Under the misguided assumption the Dev's are going to do something
If the animation & sound effects were changed to a Fatty holding Street Organ Grinder with a dancing monkey throwing bananas then more of us would come to our senses.
Haha with some of the personalities we have on this game, I doubt that specific scenario would stop anyone.
*winds up organ grinder
-Bazookah Tooth
HMG for Life
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Rusty Shallows
488
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:31:00 -
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God Hates Lags wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I somehow get the feeling that proto SMGs are better than proto HMGs in almost every way.
No. Militia SMG's are better than Proto HMG in almost every way but clip capacity.
Harsh.
On the days when both my Toxin SMG and Boundless HMG are not in some combination of being glitched the SMG is outperforming the the Boundless, somewhat. The Boundless HMG can work at point blank unless there is enough open room and the guy has the skill'z to dance around my shots to drop me with any of the popular weapons in the game (near instantly with an AR and head-shots).
it doesn't help that my HMG has more glitchy days than the SMG.
"She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
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Rusty Shallows
488
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:35:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Without an LLAV to ferry you around and place you right next to people - the HMG is pretty hard to use. I just threw down 2mil SP into SCR on my heavy suit... and I'm killing people way easier. I fear the AR is even better then the SCR too.
HMG just... doesn't fulfill it's role when you have a huge hit box and everyone can just out range you.
Last night someone from corp did just that. Not sure about the 2mil SP part but he had a Dren Sentinel suit and figured on trying out the ScR. He went 14/10 his first try. I may have to get in on that action.
"She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
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WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:55:00 -
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Bazookah Tooth wrote:This is probably qq'ing but oh well, cause I just got the proto basic heavy and got demolished. Stacked complex armor plates and damage mods with a proto hmg and still AR just peel back my health like a boiled egg. Someone on the forums mentioned a heavy user shouldn't complain unless they used that build and still felt the small ttk. With every proto caldari and AR user aiming from super far distance, even in cqc where I choose to stay there is just no hope. Sniff, I miss being able to play with heavy
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WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER ... THE GOD HEAVY
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